of different ways he's ashamed — the violence and intimidation, cynical manoeuvres like paying norma mccorveyte. she then, near death, said that she only said that because of the money given by the opposition movement. mr schenck says even the way in which the christian anti—abortion movement signed a sort of faustian pact with donald trump, he said that was shaming, too. do you have any sense of shame? well, you'll notice that i am not he, and i'm not a pastor. i'm not somebody who went from pro—life to pro—choice. perhaps because he was engaged in those things, that's all he saw. i don't know, i never knew him. i can say my own conversion came for authentic reasons, and out of love and justice, not because i want to manipulate or anything. wilberforce, in your own country, had similar motives of many people in the pro—life movement here, in the midst of all sorts of discrimination, and all sorts of refusing to see that speaking the truth to power is an important thing to do. so in the case of donald trump, the same. the idea that... are you putting your money behind donald trump running in