delivered the count was good liver to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff its name was norman dempsey dempsey takes it i write this categorically in the london review i write this i don't say who the source is but i say he takes it you don't hear him denying it you hear nothing said about this takes it to the president and says mr president you can't you don't have a case it's not clear it's not clear bashar did it the same day we learned later years later two thousand and fifteen. obama does a long interview with a man named jeffrey goldberg of land a monthly magazine one of his people he liked a lot twenty thousand word interview in the middle of the interview he says about that incident the red line the head of national intelligence a general named clapper air force one comes to see me and he says mr president. it's not a slam dunk which is you know like considered to be the that libya perhaps it's not that you know it so he didn't do the bombing because he didn't think he could win the case in the public arena that's why to do the bombing not because there was a deal made on getting rid o