and also in new york is norman finkelstein, a political scientist, an activist who specializes in the israeli palestinian conflict. a warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. home are let me start with you today. the naming of yes and war is the leader of how masses political wing. what is the message that sense to well, 1st and foremost, i think it is a message of resilience and defiance from the organization that you can kill one leader. and there will be a seamless transition to another. and i think the speed and efficiency in which that happened within a week of the killing of smell of honey is rather remarkable, especially without a designated successor. i think it's also, you know, a finger in the eye of these really on october 7th is really about to kill bu. ready send water and destroy him ass, and here we are 10 months later, despite the full brunt of these really war machine, and boats and water and how mouse are alive and kicking, and how he is leading to movement. beverly based on your extensive knowledge of how much was the announc

united. states right now, so um, it's a there have been a number of commentators, myself, but norman finkelstein and mico pellet and gideon, levi and people have said israel can't survive this, the tragedy of a genocide against the palestinians um is set against the backdrop of very, very possibly the end of the zionist regime. one last question uh mr. stepling, before we uh wrap up this segment of the program uh, you mentioned uh uh the lack of any strategic value or significance to what the israelies are doing in in gaza, would you say that the recent assassinations and all these destabilizing measures are in fact acts of desperation because of all the failures in this uh gaza genocide in this war? absolutely, i think that's absolutely true uh israel is is sort of striking out at at whatever target they can think of, they obviously have have um singled out number of the leaders in hamas and and and the hoothies uh, but you know, and and they have they have done that for a long time, but yes, they're desperate, they are suffering economically, um, the the yemeni uh, fighters have shut down the