joining us from businessman the europe, john mills and norman lamont.rs what it is like to lead. jon: the grexit-brexit situation, the grexit situation is clearly the one to deal with now, but the big one for the eurozone is the brexit question. it will get bigger and bigger for the eurozone and the european union. how worried are they? guy: they are worried, but what is interesting about business is that business wants reform. business does not want the state's quote as it is now. -- the status quo as it does now. they want reform of the eu and sooner rather than later. they are on board with the idea that david cameron wants to generate some kind of reform process for the british business to have an easier time of it. whether or not that will be enough, we will wait and see. if david cameron came back with a deal, would that be enough to satisfy business and the general public? the polling projects on both counts, yes, but the details are important. jon: looking forward to the debate that will, up later. as we had to the break, european equity markets