it was norman lear and his wife, larry david, bob scheer. they were sitting around w eeping in their expensive soup about the fact that we were living in hell. rupert murdoch on the media. george bush was president. norman lear had his pulse on american culture for 30 years. why cannot figure out how to deal -- deliver a message that is important and happening? >> that is important. we can find messages that speak to people where they are. they can also have some satire like stewart or colbert. there is the idea of exposing with satire. it opens people's eyes to the hypocrisy and corruption of our politics. the problem is you want the captivating stories and images and vocabulary, but a lot of the colbert-stewart stuff is so absurd and over the top that people do not want to get engaged. >> that is where a large number of people get their news. >> i think the obama campaign was a pivotal point, bringing people in. now they leave. there is the possibility that people will come back in. i agree with that movements also have their problems. i t

. >> norman lear is a genius, and i always thought every comic gets a deal for a sitcom pretty much, to be a lesbian. >> stephanie: and a 6'3" one. you were taller than all three brady bunch boys put together. >> i know i identified with robert reid, mike brady. i actually think i am 6'2" now, because i had a total knee replacement, and i shrunk a little. >> stephanie: so you are somewhat less intimidating. >> no, i didn't say that i grew in my ass and stuff, so i made up for it. >> stephanie: how old are the kids now >> 16 and 11. henry the older one is going to prom. he is a junior but his senior girlfriend, who is 18 -- >> stephanie: scandal. >> is taking me. >> stephanie: scandal! >> scandal. and ben is 11. >> stephanie: i'm going on cnn tonight to talk about the kaitlin hunt case. she just turned 18 and her girlfriend's parents had her arrested. >> i'm sorry, but you know what if she were with a boy would this be going on? >> stephanie: no. i had a 17-year-old boyfriend when i was 14 and can you imagine my parents having him arrested when he turned 18? >> no. it is beyond ridicu