and bud yorken really turned the spin-off series into an art form. >> norman lear hates to hearcalled the lear factory. >> "good times" was like holy smokes there's black people on tv. >> there had never been a complete black family on tv before with a father. >> what made it so unique and universal was that we have the same problems in our household and we do in the live in the projects in chicago. >> dyn-o-mite! >> we got $32 in the shoe box and i got another $6 in my pocket. >> you worked all night and all they paid you was $6? >> there were a lot of folks who were not happy with the show? the black panthers were very upset when huey newton came to see me, the big complaint was, why can't we see a black man that's doing better than that? >> the "jeffersons" started as neighbors of archie bunker. >> don't call me punk. >> why you so sensitive all of a sudden? >> how would you like it if i called you nigger? >> he called me nigger. >> that's no worse than honky. >> you right. nothing is worse than honky. except being married to one. >> norman lear set the stage for other shows

tonight, we hear from legendary television producer norman lear, who's responsible for some of america'st popular and groundbreaking sitcoms. at 94, lear shows no sign of slowing down. this week, he began hosting a new podcast, "all of the above." >> mr. lear, how do people treat you as you get older? >> yes, as i get older people who consider me wiser and that too is bull ( bleep ). i was a kid of the depression. my dad, his brothers, everyone, they all went belly up and were broke. the great aunts and grandparents, always had an expression that when somebody was making a buck he was a good provider." a good provider." that was a sound i heard a lot and all i ever wanted to be was a good provider. i'd seen carroll o'connor in a blake edwards comedy called what did you do in the war daddy? and i never forgot his face. he walked in and read and he didn't finish the page before i knew that was archie bunker. i wrote those lines, he gave it his soul. the thing i love about archie and edith is they were they both talked a lot of bull ( bleep ), they didn't really know what they are talking a

. >> she was recently named along with norman lear and jim brooks as one of television's most giftedt women's role models on tv, it's easy to see susan harris's impact. >> susan harris was the greatest writer in my opinion of her generation at that time. singularly. so all credit to her for coming up with so many iterations of something so amazing. >> do you think there is a woman's voice as a writer? >> woman's voice? generally they speak higher, softer. >> i should know not to ask that of a writer. >> yes, of course, there's a woman's voice. women have a different perspective. women laugh at different things. so yes, there very definitely is a woman's voice. >> oh, do you know how many problems we have solved over a cheesecake at this kitchen table? >> no, dorothy. exactly how many. >> 147, blanche. >> cut-throat primetime time this fall as some 23 new shows compete in one of the hottest ratings races in years. here's just about one everybody predicts will be a big hit. "designing women" on cbs. four friends forming an interior design business giving each other the business. >> suz