later, that same indian protection service became corrupted totally and was exposed by the great norman lewisr supplement, the biggest ever. and that was that expose. it was what launched survival international, the fact that a tribe a year was dying out because of our behaviour. well, let us get then to survival international. it has become a very well—known campaigning group around the world. it has offices around the world. it's fundamentally committed to the protection of the rights of indigenous peoples and the lands in which they live. absolutely. why is it that it never appears to have had a leadership which draws in and involves the indigenous peoples themselves? it's run, always been run by people like you, from outside. the result of what we started has been a huge growth in indigenous movements in the countries themselves. that is what we want to see. we don't want to be there organising things from outside. we help people to start their movements. brazil now has very powerful indian lobby groups, mps, members of parliament, and others, who fight on behalf of their people, for them