here is one of those despicable people, norman reamer. he's head of the association of criminal defense lawyers. how can you live with yourself? >> i've been a criminal defense lawyer my entire life. my entire career. and proud of it. the founders of this country had a brilliant idea, the idea that when somebody is accused of a crime, when the state marshals the most awesome power they have short of warfare, the power to prosecute, condemn, imprison, kill and certainly to stigma advertise for life, that person should never stand alone. they should have a defense lawyer to stand with them. >> when you see the o. j. simpson verdict and the casey anthony verdict, you're comfortable with all that. >> i'm comfortable with the idea that everybody deserves somebody to put the government to the test of whether or not they can prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. we have a much bigger problem in this country with wrongful conviction than wrongful acquittal. >> too many laws, too many people in jail. we'll get to that. but let me do one more e