and norman siegel, a former civil rights attorney and director at new york civil liberties union. these change, proposals, have been mixed. norman, let me begin with you. what's your evaluation of what assange said, particularly at the end? he says that this is more about what wasn't said. >> well, i generally agree with what he said. i was disappointed in the speech and proposals. i think rhetorical flourishes are not adequate anymore. we have a system where it's in effect a dragnet surveillance of suspicious unless people, it's a violation of the fourth amendment. >> what did you want to hear from the president? >> well, i wanted him to say that we were going to end the bulk metadata information. he did say that he'll end nsa having access to it unless they get a court order, but the pfizer court is secret. we shouldn't have secret courts in america. who's going to appoint if judges and what is going to be the criteria if the public advocate? so, there are some serious problems with regard to not having an adversary system to have the checks and balances on the government's abus