norman siegel is the treasurer.of chairman but i understand that she's really in charge. we had a forum at columbia university along with the school of international and public affairs. norman particularly laid forth some things that might be done to improve relationships between police and the general community. it obviously needs some improvement, and we believe it can be. when i was privileged to serve this city one of the things we saw was what is referred to as community policing. >> right. >> and lee brown, dr. lee patrick brown, as i loved to call him, he implemented that for pus. >> right. and of course we know community policing was so important. and there was a change in mrs. diallo, the way terms operated in terms of putting on uniforms after your son was killed by plain clothes officers. beyond that, making it more obvious when you are being confronted with a police officer, what in your mind would victims such as yourself, the families of victims, want to see changed about the way police operate? >> tha