it is entirely probable that families living in our tenement discussed or admired norman thomas. and honored to discuss his life with louisa thomas. when you buy a copy of the featuring book, you are supporting the author, publickers, and museum. if you choose to become a museum member, we'll give you a complimentary copy of "con science" and the interview is led by mr. meacham. after their conversation, you'll have the opportunity to ask questions. since we're recording tonight. you'll have to ask your questions from the microphone right here. we won't be able to accept questions from your seat. please join me in welcoming your guest. [applause] [applause] >> i love it. thank you. thank you all very much. thank you to the tenement museum which has in a relatively short time become such an important part of the fabric of the city. you heard a lot about it even in the american south, where i come from. they are struck that not everything is a tenement. but -- so they can come look and see what it used to be like. thank you for your hospitality. and congratulations to louisa who has

>> she likes to say if she were not married she would have run for norman thomas. i think she's one of those individuals who made a difference actually and fdr was, too. .. i mean, i think that having comments at one point got into a fight with your bit about politics. he said i don't understand the political moves are making. don't you understand the state has to respond? the president in a democracy of responsibility to come to you know, what the proper adtran majority. we're all sorts of things. you know, do i think that norman was in effect if socialized? on effective politician is a socialist? he was a better politician than norman. too i think the place where norman in the american political system? yes, absolutely. do i think there should be maybe more of those? i think so. i mean, i think that the house of a democracy, you know, requires open exchange of ideas and the kind of battles that he and norman and his friend base about do you reform from the inside or outside? to get a seat at the table? what is the best way to get your point across our message acr

buck, and the socialist party leader, norman thomas. >> did earl warren, who was instrumental on the supreme court and giving so many rights, ever comment upon his action during this period of time or people apologize for what he had done or was instrumental in doing? >> an excellent question. well, they're all excellent question. that's a particularly excellent question because it brings flow work i'm doing right now. earl warren not only was a major instigator of the mast removal of japanese americans, but he was somebody who also called for martial law in california and spoke in favor of a court suit to strip japanese americans of voting rights and citizenship rights during his gubernatorial campaign in 1942. that said, earl warren was also a gov, who when the army lifted restricts on japanese americans to return to the west coast, said their civil rights will be enforced, and so he made it possible for japanese americans to come back to the coast before the end of the war without major bloodshed. he did not apologize during his lifetime. he made a private apology to japanese amer

never once in the weeks of the trial of the thousands of pages of transcripts did the prosecutor thomas norman ever utter the word revenge for are not once. was the oversight read in hubris tom newman and joe thought they had the sure thing to slam dunk. they never even addressed level in answer the question the jury most wanted to have answered. how did a handsome young working-class hero do something that horrible? is easy to acquire they took a cold blooded murder and got him off. it was an amazing events. in his summation doug schmidt who never attends church and is not god-fearing man invoked god 21 times in 48 minutes. but the trial raised another question as well. why are there psychologists and psychiatrists in the courtroom? they are propaganda. they is like the paid political advertisement. if just one time the psychiatrist or psychologist testified unfavorable a two this guy who was not paying him than and i have a differing view but they don't do that serving time in soledad released in 1984 live there for one year during that time that he would be there he be called up his old fri