. >> and norman vincent peale wrote "the power of positive thinking" we see that mind-set in everything he does. for example, when talking about the economy recently the gdp, he said, well, it was 3%, but i think it could sbbeen 4% except for the hurricanes probably be 4% later. actually thinking the economy into that state. because the economy, if you don't have a resource constraint, is really driven entirely by psychology. if you think next year is better you say, well, i better invest this year. that actually makes next year better. he's actually using persuasion from, you know, all the way back to his church days as a kid, and now we see him as a brander, a salesperson. we see him, you know, as someone who wrote a book on negotiating. and these are all in the same field of persuasion. >> scott, i thoroughly enjoyed "win bigley" thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> what are your thoughts? tweet me or go to my facebook page. i'd read some during, i know, i know. i'm dope. i'm a dope. but that camera back on me. look at this -- i can't say it. papadopoulos. papadopoulos.

gwenda. >> the family minister -- this was norman vincent peale was the family minister. but when i talked -- when he was writing my book he had died and so another -- arthur caliandro was his successor at marboro collegiate church. he told me mary had said to her i know all the good teachings are in there because i put them in there. you might not see them but i know they're in there. >> what do you mean? >> the bible to various moral maxims, the 10 commandments, she said they're all in there. but i guess arthur caliandro had questioned that, or in any case she was reassuring him. >> michael d'antonio, i want to ask you about something else, another business at hand. in an interview last night on fox the president was asked about his secretary of state and vacant jobs at the state department. i want you to listen to this. >> the one that matters is me. i'm the only one that matters because when it comes to it that's what the policy is going to be. >> so many people have talked about how self-absorbed the president is, even narcissistic. does anything you learned about tr

>> a lot of people don't know his past, when he was a kid, his pastor was norman vincent teal, he had a close connection to the most motivational best-selling author who wrote the power of positive thinking and he was the person in america who brought that idea that you could think your way to a better situation, there was something about the way you framed your existence that would make you more effective and you see that in trump. my favorite example the other day, in an interview, he said we had 3% gdp, is great but without the hurricane it would have been 4%. we will have 4% pretty simple general president would say we have 3% but he's already talking economy into 4% and who is watching, people who invest. maybe 4%. i better start investing. that makes it 4%. the economy moves on psychology. there is no research shortage. he had that going. a father who was a successful business person, probably new negotiating, saw it firsthand, he wrote a book on negotiating, the art of persuasion, he knows brand, he knows marketing, has a sense of humor, these are related, he is a great communi

it's actually norman vincent because the economy was on psychology. he had a father who is a successful business person, probably new negotiating. he wrote a book on negotiating called "the art of the deal". he knows branding, he knows marketing, he has a sense of humor, is quick on his feet, he's even tall and has something going on up here. watch how many persuaders have something weird going on up there. so he is the full package of skills on top of his personali personality. >> for a long time reading your book maybe stop to think about it. i thought he was some sort of savon. i would watch and play crowd that you're saying, his pastor, and -- if you read a book about how to negotiate, it's important to you. its core to his being. >> let me ask about bernie sanders. he drew crowds at least as big of strong and elicited some passion and loyalty. two things he does that i find effective is he does still in the narrative. . . as authentic . . when let's follow the audience. when bernie outperformed compared to what you expected? wouldn't you say? and

he was actually norman vincent peale-ing the old economy because the economy moves on psychology. because there's no resource shortage here, right? so you have thate' going. he had a father who was a successful business person, probably knew negotiating, probably saw it firsthand. he wrote a book, trump, on negotiating which is -- >> "the art of the deal." >> obviously, he knows branding, he knows sales, he knows marketing. he has a sense of humor. these are all related. he's a great communicator, he's quick on his feet. he's even tall, and he's got something going on up here -- [laughter] you can't look away. watch how many persuaders have something weird going on up there. so, yeah. he has the full package of, you know, skills on top of his personality and just his size. there's something about the size. >> it does -- and for a long time, reading your book actually made me stop and think about this, because i've often thought meter sort of a savant. my god, it's like where did he get that? but you'reh saying norman vincet peale, and you're guessing to become what he's become, he

adams appeared on cnn, great writer on persuasion pointed out one of trump's inspirations was norman vincentpower of positive thinking. there's a chapter about not accepting defeat. we are only speculating, we haven't seen trump say it publicly, we are only hearing hear hearsay. it is possible he is trying to reshape that set back. >> but it would be a lie. if he says the tape may not be authentic, it is a lie, would you agree? >> the only lies that count in politics are lies you tell the public. what he tells himself is up to him. >> joel, appreciate your take as always. >> you're welcome. >>> taking a quick break. cnn newsroom with john berman will be here with big headlines. stay with cnn. ♪ we are the driven... the dedicated... the overachievers. we know our best investment is in ourselves. we don't take no for an answer. we fight for what we want. even for the things that were once a given. going to college... buying a home... and not being in debt for it for the rest of our lives. but we're only as strong as our community. who inspires and pushes us to go further than we could ever go

>> well a lot of people don't know that his pastor was norman vincent peale when he was a kid. who wrote "the power of positive thinking." you see that mindset in everything he does. when he was talking about the economy recently, the gdp, he said well it was 3%, but i think it could have been 4%, except for the hurricanes. probably would be 4% later. in other words he's thinking the economy into that state. because the economy if you don't have a resource constraint is really driven entirely by psychology. if you think next year is better, you say well i better invest this year. that makes next year better. he's using persuasion from you know, all the way back to his church days as a kid. now we see him as a brander, a salesperson, we see him you know, as someone who wrote a book and negotiated. but these are all in the same field of persuasion. >> scott, i thoroughly enjoyed "win bigly." thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> tweet me at smerkonish or go to my facebook page. i'll read some during -- i know, i know, i'm a dope. look at this, i can't say it. papadopoul papa

>> a lot of people do not know his pastor was norman vincent -- he had a close connection to the most motivational boast selling author who wrote the power of positive thinking. he was the person who thought you could think your way to a better situation. you see that intron. he was an interview and said we had 3% gdp but without the hurricane it would been 4%. no normal president would say we get 3%, that's great. but he's every talked the economy into 4%. and who's watching? the people who invest. that's what make it sit for percent. the economy moves on psychology. there's no resource shortage. he had a father a good business negotiation probably saw firsthand. obviously he knows branding, you know sales. he knows marketing and has a sense of humor. his he great communicator quick on his feet. he's even tall and has something going on appear. watch emily persuaders of something we're going on there. he has the full package of skills on top of his personality and size. >> reading your book made me stop and think. i often thought he was some sort of savant. i watch him play a crowd a