thanks to our guest, grover norquist, who will run it down for us. and how can you ask the richest people in america for donations for the church while the pope is criticizing the very capitalist practices that created the wealth in the first place? new york's cardinal timothy dolan about to tell us in an exclusive cnbc interview. all those stories and much more coming up in "the kudlow report," beginning right now. >>> good evening, everyone. i'm larry kudlow. this is "the kudlow report." it's a pleasure to be back after the christmas vacation. we are live here at 7:00 p.m. eastern and 4:00 p.m. pacific. obamacare coverage begins in just two days according to hoyle. now about 2 million people have enrolled in the plans, half from the federal and half from the states. but the question to ask is how many are actually enrolled and how many have actually paid? only about 75,000 apparently has paid. and that's a long way from the administration's goal of 7 million people that are enrolled and paid up. the question is will the insurance companies be press

grover norquist, what is living wage in america?lot more than what people are making now. >> christine? >> i don't think it's possible to determine what a living wamg is. i think it depends where you are and what you live. different in new york versus living in maine. >> alexis. >> i think it's $15 an hour and president obama could do something for the 2 million federal contractors who work at the smithsonian at the cafe if he's in favor of raising the minimum wage, he should do it for the contractors. >> i think it depends where you live. but in my world, if you're working full time and you have at least one kid, you shouldn't be in poverty. that tells you around what the level is. and you ought to be able to put your family on a path to get out of the situation. so, some education, et cetera. so, i would peg it to that. >> one of you said walmart pays employees $8 an hour and according to them their average is $12. whatever the lowest to the highest there. thank you, all, i appreciate it. tomorrow on "11th hour" what extreme weath

joining us photographer norquist -- grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform.reat to have you here. we'll talk irs in a second. i want to get you comments from speaker of the house john boehner who was pretty criticals of your organization and some others. here is what heti had to say say recently. >> they pushed us into this fight to defund obamacare and to shut down the government. most of you know my members know, that wasn't exactly the strategy i had in mind but if you will recall the day he have about the government reopened one of the people, at one of these groups stood up and said v well we never really throughout it would work. are you kidding me? gerri: what do you say to that? >> well, look, we're moving forward on protecting the sequester and just for the record, he wasn't criticizing my group. we didn't endorse the defund only strategy. but, what boehner's put together and the deal that was just put through the house protects the sequester for the next decade. what people i think were not aware of is that there was very real pressure on the seques

grover norquist with americans for tax reform joins us now from washington.ew taxes, no you don't, so what do you make of this budget deal that includes 25 billion more taken from the traveling public? >> the fee increases, which look a lot like excise taxes, the fee increases for tsa are disappointment. they move in the wrong direction. the good part of what happened is the threat that might break the sequester over the next two years, some of the house appropriators, republican house appropriators who didn't like the little trough in the spending caps were threatening to perhaps break the sequester. this agreement, if it holds, takes that off the table, the defense people will not be able to bust out the caps anymore and so the sequester over the next decade will hold. what has given up as additional spending over the next two years. the good news is there are two changes in pensions which will save a lot more money even in terms of present value than the additional savings. in the future this is a model. we need to take the fee increase is off the table in

joining us now is grover norquist.at you heard a lot of this conversation that we've been having. we've been talking about this potential deal that could be there with senator patty murray and with congressman paul ryan. obviously, we don't have a lot of details on this. what do you think about the proposal? >> what's important is we maintain the sequester. patty murray, the democrat, head of budget committee from the senate side. her opening request was $1.4 trillion in higher taxes. no spending cuts and breaking the sequester so we could spend into the future beyond what the president promised. and when he proposed and agreed to the sequester. so that was a democrat party's negotiating position. paul ryan's position was, first of all, paul ryan is the only person in congress and the republicans endorse his position who has actually written down a budget. you let him get away with seeing, the president had a budget. really, can we see it written down? is it in legislative form? no, it's not. it's in talking points and

as far as i know that's it go back to eighteen eighty seven and read grover norquist grow excuse me grover cleveland's president grover cliff in one thousand nine hundred seven his state of the union address he talks about you know money and politics because this was the year after the santa clara county versus of the pacific railroad case and he says you know corporations which should be the carefully restrained servants of the people have become their masters there is now an iron boot upon the heel of the average working man c.t. seven well it's come around again f.d.r. pushed that boot off for about forty fifty years and now it's back down on again and because of money and so many of those these five guys in the supreme court came up with this bizarre idea that has never before been proposed that corporations are not legal fictions that they are somehow people entitle to protection under the law equal to that of human beings under the fourteenth amendment fourteenth amount why the way it was put into place in the eighteenth sixty's eighteen sixty eight as i recall to free the slaves aft

he basically said he wasn't in -- norquist has talked about this. it's going to be close. >> brad, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> he's from the washington post and joining us from washington, good to talk to you. >>> a brutal mix of ice, snow and bitter cold has become a really deadly mix from coast to coast right now. travel is dangerous. and if you have booked a flight you may want to call ahead before you get to the airport. chances are it would be a good bet. let's get a check on the weather system now with meteorologist dave warren. dave. >> yeah, it looks like the weather system is really holding together. it's moved out, we're getting a break between system, the pattern is really the same. we could first see this winter weather developing across the northern plains. this is the actual temperature but when you factor in the wind speed i.t. goes to 20 below, fargo, north dakota is 21 below. there might not be a lot of snowfall but a blizzard warning, decreased visibility, cold air moving south, not a lot of snow but blowing s

americans for tax reform president more quick on the -- norquist on the cost and the taxes on this mess. caylee we start with you. >> she has to go. what does it take to lose a government job these days? it is unreal with that administration, you had james clapper who committed perjury, who stayed. and eric holder. >> we started this talking about government officials losing their job, and face, and this administration, have you a shield. >> you do. this woman, spent $550 million on a web site that is 4 times cost of the original iphone, her hire from canada, that already messed up sims in ontario -- systems in ontario. >> they added another person. a new title? >> it would not surprise me. as of mid november they have not fired a single person. >> caylee brought up costs, grover, it feels like every day that number gets higher and higher. we have 677 million spent on the federal web site, 4.5 billion, given to the state exchanges to go do their thing. in oregon, about $155 million. -- minnesota i'm sorry, of federal money that was what person was fired for. attsome point, you know, if

joining me now to talkaxes and irs, grover norquist, the president of americans for tax reform. it is great to have you here. we're going to talk irs in just a second, but first i want to get you to, well, some comments from the speaker of the house, john boehner. he was pretty critical of your organition and some others. here's what he had to say recently. >> they pushed us into this fight to defund obamacare and to shutdown the government. most of you know, my members know that wasn't exactly the strategy that i had in mind. but if you'll recall the day before the government reopened, one of the people, one of these groups stood up and said, well, we never really thought it would work. are you kidding me? gerri: what do you say to that? [laughter] >> well, look, we're moving forward on protecting the sequester, and just for the record, he wasn't criticizing my group. we didn't endorse the defund-only strategy. but what boehner's put together and the deal that was just put through the house protects the sequester for the next decad what people, i think, were not aware of is tha

weighing in on this issue in this weeks cq weekly is grover norquist. let's hear from brian in schaumburg, illinois. to governors make better presidents? caller: i would say no. i think that is a false qualification. look at lincoln, eisenhower. i like the first bush, but i think it is a bad idea. i always had a lot of bad parties.ns on ♪ in both the other lady called president bush a bad president. i would also nominate governor clinton who became president. he did a lot of bad things that hurt the average working man. go back to that list of the last five governors to serve as president. bush, bill clinton, ronald reagan, jimmy carter and franklin roosevelt. all except jimmy carter served in two terms. case three t's terms. does it mean anything that they were elected to more than one term? caller: george w. bush won by a hair. i stand by my point. i do think you have to be governor to be president area and abraham lincoln was one of our best ever paged white eisenhower was fantastic terry and he negotiated the world after world war ii. the cold war w

. >> grover norquist, ne newt ginh have been in favor of incarceration reform.rather smart on crime. >> there is this white sort of privilege that a lot of white people have. i probably have it as well growing up. that the assumption that the police are there to help you, which i don't think is the same assumption that it sounds like you were given from your dad early on. the assumption was they weren't there to help you. the assumption the store is -- i think if white people started to be sort of stopped and questioned as aggressively in department stores, there would be a greater level of outrage among the shopping population. >> when guy shopping, i know they need to dress up, i need to wear my little status purse so that i'm treated at least like the average customer. >> which is insane. >> in that store. i was also taught like hill to stand up for myself. my parents said if this happens to you you go to management. you go to h.r. and you say exactly who was treating you this way. and i have done that. and i've gone back to the store and seen that person get

groups like grover norquist club for growth.nd not going after democrats, primarying their own team. and there are a lot of members who have been governing in terror because they've been forced to do things like go for the government shutdown. they've h the senate, people like ted cruz telling them what to do. i think there's been a lot of frustration boiling up in the caucus. when you hear the speaker voicing that kind of frustration, that's also coming up to him from other members who are saying i got to go home and tell people at re-election time that i've done something. >> let's take a look. other republican leaders asked the question back him up or go after him? here's what paul ryan told a wisconsin radio station. by the way, here he is talking back home which is important. here he is not exactly backing up his leader. >> i don't think it's that serious. i think john got -- his emotions got ahead of him a little bit. i credit the tea party with helping us get our mojo back. getting conservativism back in the party. >> her

thanks to our guest, grover norquist, who will run it down for us. you ask the richest people in america for donations for the church while the pope is criticizing the very

one of a handful of house republicans who refused to sign river norquist' --grover norquist's pledgeever to raise taxes. as we noted, those qualities have made mr. wolf a standout among a sharply diminishing breed of legislators in congress whose independence and problem solving outweigh their partisanship. that is the real test of leadership and mr. wolf has met it. "hat in "the washington post about frank wolf deciding to retire. the "richmond times dispatch" has that on their front page. wolf will not seek reelection in 2014. that from the "richmond times dispatch." your thoughts on whether or not congress reflects your views. start dialing in. we will take comments on twitter, @cspanwj. you can post comments on facebook.com as well. facebook.com/cspan. post," "the washington frank wolf to retire after 17 terms. the seat will be a prime battleground in 2014. on twitter yesterday, the campaign arms for the house and the senate weighed in. about jimweeted this matheson in utah. uld rather retire than face angry voters and obamacare backlash in 2014, bad news for dccc." dccc tweeted

>> i meant grover norquist. >> was he any good? i don't know if he was a good president or not. do you know, john? >> well, he -- you remember he was targeted for some of his extra marital activities. >> oh, my god, that's unheard of. we know super grover from sesame street. >> the thing that struck me, grover norquist, was that he would be willing to take these higher fees with his revenue, taxes, in the past, taxes are taxes and revenue he wouldn't go along with. when he said that yesterday, i thought, this is something. >> it's not technically taxes. it's airline fees, it's asking pensioners to pay more. >> do the airlines have the largest lobbyists in the world? >> they have a lousy lobby and everybody hates them. but consumers will cover that, anyway. it's going to get passed through the price of airline tickets. >> our own larry kudlow on television last night said ronald reagan believed in user fees. >> he did. >> and they're not taxes. you'll see folks like heritage action, the real hard right on fiscal issues say that this is a tax in another form, but grover is not goi

host: grover norquist, good for the republican party or not? guest: everyone is good for the party and has an agitation towards whatever you are trying to accomplish. when they are not good is when they take the ball and go home. and use it to raise money. that is what john boehner was saying. when all you are doing is trying to be different in order to send out any not last -- to send an email blast to your constituency saying there they go, send me $25. i have seen those letters. i smile when i do. they are not part of any process to fix anything, they are raising a lot of money to pad offices in washington. that is what john boehner was saying. be part of the process to fix things not to raise money. host: jeff, el paso, independent line. caller: good morning. mr. nussle, i am curious. are you still living in iowa or do you live in washington? guest: i live in washington. host: why do you ask? caller: as an independent former republican, not a member of the tea party i found your comment that characterized tea party republicans as antigovern

host: grover norquist, good for the republican party or not?st: everyone is good for the party and has an agitation towards whatever you are trying to accomplish. when they are not good is when they take the ball and go home. and use it to raise money. that is what john boehner was saying. when all you are doing is trying to be different in order to send out any not last -- to send an email blast to your constituency saying there they go, send me $25. i have seen those letters. i smile when i do. process not part of any to fix anything, they are raising a lot of money to pad offices in washington. that is what john boehner was saying. be part of the process to fix things, not to raise money. host: jeff, el paso, independent line. caller: good morning. mr. nussle, i am curious. are you still living in iowa or do you live in washington? guest: i live in washington. host: why do you ask? an independent former republican, not a member of the tea party, i found your comment that characterized tea party republicans as antigovernment as opposed to bei

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