knows that market knows there are bodies all over the room and more coming from motorola on back to nortel and before them others. so this is a very effective thing if you're wawei, the chosen company from china, which they would like to be champion in that market. and when you bid for a european broadband infrastructure for the entire nation, your bid is 40% below all the bids, you get the bid. and then nokia fires 30,000 people about six weeks later. so we're seeing this over and over again, solar, probably saw the announcement from the solar industry this week, they're firing 3,000 -- top guys are firing 3,000 employees, 30% of the workforce gone. in every place you look, you might think it is strategic, technically or scientifically same problem. what are we going to do about it? complain, whine? i'll tell you what won't work, whining. whining will not work. threats won't work, i don't think. saying you're upset doesn't work either. matter of fact, it would appear to me that bringing wto actions, though they can be effective, really aren't very effective for a couple of reasons. one is

the nortel patents, bankruptcy ab solved or destroyed the contractural relationships and they can use them as a weapon. >> it's karen. let me ask you something. this is reminiscent of the palm situation. there were buyers there. what do you think would be a buyer here? it's getting the market cap getting smaller every minute as we speak. who do you think would buy it for the cash flow and the number of users around the world which is not small. >> no, but the average revenue per user is declining. the best buyers really are the ones that had to stomach to stick in the game and top the beat ecosystem player. an amazon or a facebook longer term. if you are catching a falling knife, it's really, really tough to turn it around and stabilize it. you are almost better off starting from scratch. >> what are are the chances of bankruptcy? >> you don't have a lot of debt standing if any. we would expect if that happened, it would happen within the next six months. this could fall had from here and put the chances of it happening as low, around 25%. >> going to leave it there and thanks for you

my friend david faber even mentioned it in the same breath as nortel today. sure, rimm should be taken over. absolutely. but the company's adamantly opposed to such a sale. i don't even think the canadian government would let anything hostile happen here. remember, canada stopped that hostile bid for potash. i think they'd do the same here. anyway, we never speculate on takeovers when the fundamentals are in decline. that's one of our "mad money" rules. so i think the notices are negative. the drama in research in motion will probably end badly for all involved. there's no need to make yourself a participant. then there's the drama that is facebook. which i see as kind of -- i'd say a very dark comedy. 52-week low again today. you know, facebook at one point did try to gain some footing. it looked like it was going to go up. it was up when everything else was down. it seemed as if perhaps the line had been drawn. and the buyers who came in voraciously on the ipo at $38 had chosen this level to average down. others said look -- i heard this all day today. this

so rather than end up with another nortell situation, i'm sure they would come to some sort of agreements on the table. >> alex, the entire market cap is essentially the value of their independence. is that true? >> google was willing to pay 12.5 billion for motorolla's ip. and i would argue research in motion has a pretty good ip of its own. let's not forget they still have 78 million blackberry subscribers. so there is some inherent in this company. there are a lot of other technology companies out there that could use those 78 million subscribers and some of that ip. >> facebook might be interested. we'll leave it there. nice to have you on the show. >> well, apple's ceo tim cook takes the stage last night as the keynote speaker and speaking candidly. so should cook's message convince you to jump into apple share's? we're back in two. e back in two. at bank of america, we're lending an in communities across the country. fro omrevi htalielzeping t a neigbrhbooklyn..or.ho financing industries that are creating jobs in boston... providing funding for the expansion of a local business ser