it's not only in north africa, but in nigeria in particular, but also in sub-south africa where al qaeda has strengthsened in the last couple years. our plate is full, but it requires a proactive effort internationally. it's not just defensive measures taken domestically, but we've got to work proactively with others around the world to address this threat. >>larry: we'll be calling on them again. two outstanding public servers. >>> -- the left and right observe the war on terror. when we come back. charles needs those contracts tomorrow morning. we should send them overnight with fedex. i already sent them. i didn't use fedex. better cross your fingers. [ man ] oh, yeah, the accident. well, you better knock on wood. remember, we did a green renovation in here, there's no wood. but russ bought a rabbit's foot. it's a bear claw. you could throw salt over your shoulder. actually, that's a salt substitute. but you should find dan -- i think he's a leprechaun. what is it about me that says leprechaun? can someone tell me please, someone? you should have used fedex. [ male announcer ] we unde

north africa is a little smaller than the whole united states. this is a big area and there are al qaeda cells springing up in new places. so what do you do about that? >> larry: hoping to do what? >> hoping to, you know, somehow eliminate them, degrade them and defeat them. you know, a giant task. i'm glad it's not mine. >> larry: do you fear them going to do other things in the united states? forget planes, how about shopping centers? ball games. >> exactly. we've talked about this, that you become generals fighting the last war. we're all worried about airline security. you go through an intense scrutiny getting on an airplane, but go on a train or go to a power plant or go to a mall where there are many more people than are on one of these aircraft, and something could happen. now, you can't get on a train in yemen and make it to the united states, so that's a problem for al qaeda, but this is the great question. you can ask the expert. there have been al qaeda cells or al qaeda affiliated individuals in this country operating. >> larry: and

north at the top and over here is the east and this is the... up here and what we now call the pacific, china, india, central asia, middle east, europe up here, and africa obviously and then this is the most famous part of the map, north america up here and the gulf of mexico here and the islands of the caribbean and the region columbus explore and the long, long thin land mass is south america. the dominant visual impression you get from looking at the new world is this giant southern place and that is really what was making an impression on europeans in the early days of discovery. it wasn't owe much the westness of the new world, it was obviously -- a new route was pioneered across the atlantic and he thought he reached asia and he and everybody thought he confirmed old geographical ideas. south america, which -- america which was written about in the late 1490s and early 1500s extend far into the south, part of the globe people tended to think there wasn't any land in and that made a big impression and we'll get back to that in a minute. what dominates the map then is the southern part and that is why the cartographer, but the word america on it and

they are actually spread between north africa and the horn of africa.he horn of africa right now is a very big issue because you have several dynamics. those are the areas primarily focused by al qaeda. everyone focuses on al qaeda and hopefully in the show we could talk about other groups as well. host: let us do it right now. it is not just how tight it in africa but other terrorist groups. guest: notably has a lot. they have been around for the a long time -- has block -- hezbollah. there have been involved in the drug trade. collections with the tri border region in latin america. working directly with the drug cartels, they are involved in the illicit diamond trade. just about every piece of business. that is one group we have to stay focused on besides al qaeda. host: out of all of that you explain, where is the biggest threat? guest: had two parts. one is somalia right now, and the other part is the region, northern mali, southern nigeria, mauritania and niger, all the way up to chad. host: why is terrorism -- why is it happening in africa? guest

waldseemuller map in north africa did look like that in parts of europe didn't look like that but he wanted to stay true to ptolemy for all sorts of reasons and again it is worth thinking this map of not just a map of space but of time. this is a way of looking back at the ancient world as well as looking at the modern world which is very useful in the early renaissance when people are starting to learn more and more about what the ancients had written. it is going to be more useful to know age in place names if you are studying homer or virgil that it is to know modern placements of that was very important. but it is an expanded version of the ptolemy map bin borrows from a map a lot like the one on the right. you can see if you zero in on the far east especially the depiction of japan and the coast of china and india is very similar. it is not to say it is a direct borrowing from this one particular map but there is a clear and obvious similarity here. when it came to africa, waldseemuller map turned to sailors charts, probably like this one and if you look at the coast of africa i

when the americans were about to convey north africa, roosevelt actually drafted a letter that started my dear old friend, which was just too much even for churchill, who got him to change the citation, if not the content of the letter. and the american ambassadors to madrid were old conservatives who were completely persuaded by the local fascists that they were okay folks. so we had the incredible situation and your pm is really going against the grain completely, when the american troops entered north africa, they had made a deal, to keep the french troops from shooting back. they were only partially successful. but they kept the v.c. government in place so that you had after the american troops were there, you have people who are working for the gall. your spanish republicans. you at people who helped inspire to help the americans to land. being kept in prison by the authorities. if any of you had read, there were marbles on this. he was one of the few american journalists who could speak french. and you actually understood what was going on. and he wrote these devastating reports.

when the americans were about to invade north africa roosevelt drafted a letter starting my dear old friend which was just too much even for churchill who got him to change the salutation if not the content of the letter. the american ambassador's to madrid were old conservatives who were completely persuaded by the local fascists' that they were ok folks. we had the incredible situation and p.m. is really going against the grain completely. when the american troops anchored in north africa they made a deal, earlier said he was hoping for a german victory and did everything he could to help them, to keep the french troops from shooting back. they were only partially successful. they kept the government in place so that after the american troops were there, you had people -- spanish republicans and people who actually helped the americans to land being kept in prison by the authorities. if any of you have read the writings on the war, they are marvelous. he was one of the few american journalists who could speak french and understand what was going on and he wrote these reports and p.

they have a functioning wing in yemen, one in fourth africa, and even somalia and north africa. -- north africa, and even somalia. on the face of it, it seems that they are wrong in reporting that they have not expanded. host: we see reports about what we are doing to prevent people from entering. we read about and see the launches of creditor drones against al qaeda operatives. what are we not doing that we should be doing? guest: what we have seen is definitive proof that there is such a thing, on any topic, that killing these people one at a time is not sufficient. it was not sufficient in 1995 and is far less so now, as there are so many people in the muslim world that are mad at america. very few muslims hate americans for being americans. in terms of airports, the watch word is not a silver bullet. if anything, this gentleman in detroit was a rank amateur. had he been a professional, it would not have the nabobs of job. for americans to somehow think that we have a great system to protect them, i think that is wrong. i think sometimes i wonder why we spend so much attention on the

the most dramatic of approval came in north africa in about syria and to be sure when they were up by 22% eight zogby poll found more support for the administration and saudi arabia, united arab emirates more than 50 percent of respondents claimed to have a more positive view of the usa since the election of barack obama between the gallup poll and the sabia but obama's still clearly faces a real area of distressed when he went to cairo. only the united arab emirates tallied the outright majority view of the united states when obama took to the podium and cairo he was talking to a skeptical arab world and in egypt a clear 70% of the public who the unfavorable opinion of the united states 70 percent of egypt according to poll ratings no single speech could eradicate years of trust he told cairo nor could i answer in the time that i have all of the complex questions that brought us to this point*. of course, obama's outreach too not begin in cairo already in january when week after the inauguration obama chose to address the audience by giving the interview on a satellite television sta

they are actually spread between north africa and the horn of africa. horn of africa right now is a very big issue because you have several dynamics. those are the areas primarily focused by al qaeda. everyone focuses on al qaeda and hopefully in the show we could talk about other groups as well. host: let us do it right now. it is not just how tight it in africa but other terrorist groups. guest: notably has a lot. they have been around for the a long time -- has block -- hezbollah. there have been involved in the drug trade. collections with the tri border region in latin america. working directly with the drug cartels, they are involved in the illicit diamond trade. just about every piece of business. that is one group we have to stay focused on besides al qaeda. host: out of all of that you explain, where is the biggest threat? guest: had two parts. one is somalia right now, and the other part is the region, northern mali, southern nigeria, mauritania and niger, all the way up to chad. host: why is terrorism -- why is it happening in africa? guest:

for drug trafficking from south america, largely venezuela, and through west africa, and then north africa, and into europe. and so what you had in that case is a demonstration of what can evolved in this new environment where international networks can not only adapt, but can start to collaborate and work together. and so you've got a drug trafficking networks out of south america tied to an al qaeda group in africa affecting security issues, not just in that region, but then also in europe. and you have been, i think the prescription for potential disaster when you look at the facilities of some of these groups to work internationally. the nightmare scenario in this context, by the way, if some of these groups collectivize and for purposes of approximate or ideology. to use or smuggle a weapon of mass distraction. one of the things we worried most about in the national security council was al qaeda or other groups have expressed an interest in obtaining and using a weapon of mass distraction, to actually get access to it. and they could get access to it, perhaps, through some of these un

a fully fledged wing in north africa and in somalia. how can it be less threatening to us? >> is the threat from al qaeda greater from yemen than afghanistan now? >> no, certainly not. the threat overall from al qaeda is melded together. it is an international organizationch we tend to forget that a decade ago we knew that al qaeda was in over 50 countries. they're in far more countries than that today. >> well, let me play for you, something. i asked john brennan if al qaeda in fact was diminished? or more sophisticated. let's hear what he had to say. then you can respond. >> we have made quite a bit of progress this year in degrading the capabilities of al qaeda organization. taken the battle to them. eliminated a number of their leaders and operatives that doesn't mean they don't have capability to carry out attacks. that's what they're doing. they're trying to look for ways and vulnerabilities to get their operatives to the united states or other places to carry out the attacks. >> mr. brennan is blowing smoke. you have some dead bodies. i agree, all to the good. but no

where these men, the german operational group gets dropped off in north africa and in the military democracy everybody loses track of it and nobody knows where they are supposed to be or who they are and they are about to be put into this depo and become paratroopers in the airborne division and within this group is a group of best friends who are called the jewish life and they are led by a man named fred neyer who is a life to this day and he's 89-years-old and is one of the most remarkable individuals that i've ever met. he takes this group of five and says look, we are here to do a mission, to go back and nothing is going on with chapel's mission and they literally mutely from the group and strike out in a jeep and find another oss headquarters and they go to the headquarters and literally begged for a mission. and i will never forget howard lieutenant colonel in charge of the austria desk says to the jewish five what are you here for all that type of stuff and friend of mayor says to him this is more our war than it is your war and that becomes sort of the whole premise for their missio

we do about the continuing struggles and conflicts between pastoralists and herders in much of north africa. there's lots of consequences. but i think we have to try to take it out of the finger pointing and bilateral or regional context and try to put it into a broader one. i'm very concerned about it and i will welcome, you know, the advice of the study group that you referred to from mckinsey, but i think it's something we've got to get on and get on it quickly. there are going to be wars fought over water in the next 10 years if we don't try to get ahead of this and look for ways to come up with as many win-win strategies as possible. not easy, but i think that, let's try to eliminate as many of theable aspects of this problem, leave -- as many of the solveable aspects of this problem leaving the hard core ones for the end game where we have to use leverage to force countries to make the decisions. >> sounds like a great diplomatic. ed, very, very quickly. >> we want to thank you for coming here, it's an organization, i know you are aware, made up of very high quality people ready to su

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>> my name is olli, and i'm working in the middle east and north africa. i would like, since i am here in the middle east policy council and good number of people who really intelligence policymaking, in the larger picture, and the macro picture of the nazi's relationship with the muslim world, aren't we really in a way becoming hostage to two smaller groups, and outside in the muslim world come al qaeda does not represent even one, thousand or half a thousand of the one point half billion muslims. and in the united states, we have very strong group which really influence the policy of the nine states that creates problems for us in the middle east and other places. as policymakers, where is our national interest and who is guarding it lacks many questions are in the muslim street when i go there as an american. but as an american muslim. and icy they may accept me as, you know, brother in faith sometimes but the lashing as an american for our policies, everywhere from nigeria, sudan and other places. so my question to you, you know, this good gathering, h

>> my name is olli, and i'm working in the middle east and north africa. like, since i am here in the middle east policy council and good number of people who really intelligence policymaking, in the larger picture, and the macro picture of the nazi's relationship with the muslim world, aren't we really in a way becoming hostage to two smaller groups, and outside in the muslim world come al qaeda does not represent even one, thousand or half a thousand of the one point half billion muslims. and in the united states, we have very strong group which really influence the policy of the nine states that creates problems for us in the middle east and other places. as policymakers, where is our national interest and who is guarding it lacks many questions are in the muslim street when i go there as an american. but as an american muslim. and icy they may accept me as, you know, brother in faith sometimes but the lashing as an american for our policies, everywhere from nigeria, sudan and other places. so my question to you, you know, this good gathering, how can w

people are always afraid of the ai in the north -- aqim in north africa. there are almost no al qaeda in afghanistan. if we trace back plots that have any connection to terrorist groups in the west in the last eight years, we see that nine are traced back to afghanistan. -- none car traced back to afghanistan. there were all traced back to pakistan and now to yemen in somalia. so, in order to promote national security here, we need to focus on the group that can project to the west. and those are the groups i just mentioned. the afghan insurgents do not project to the west. they have a domestic agenda. ok, so, what our our stated goals for being in afghanistan? to disrupt, dismantle, defeat al qaeda and its allies. this is mostly done for the destruction and dismantling in afghanistan. they have moved to the fatah, as pointed out by bruce. we have not defeated al qaeda. al qaeda was not dead, as was shown last week by the killing of the cia officers. ok, so what is the search going to do for us for the next 18 months? -- the surge going to do for us? it wi

and people are always afraid of one terrorist group in north africa. there are a few afghans and al qaeda and almost no al qaeda in afghanistan. if we trace back the plots that have been connected to terrorist groups in the west and the last eight years, we say that nine -- and i repeat nine -- are traced back to afghanistan. -- we say that -- we see that none are to respect to afghanistan. -- are traced back to afghanistan. we need to focus on the group that can protect -- project to the west. they are the groups that i just mentioned. the afghan insurgents do not project to the west. they have a domestic agenda. what are our stated goals for being in afghanistan? to disrupt and dismantle afghanistan -- al qaeda and its allies. we have succeeded on part of that. al qaeda is not yet dead as was shown last week by the killing of the cia officers. what is the surge going to do for us for the next 18 months? it is going to be very uneven. it will depend on the implementation of what we do and it will vary according to the locality in afghanistan. there wi

better at chasing down those small bits of information that come out of yemen, east africa or north africao establish teams that have no responsibilities other than to do that. we have calling them pursuit temperatures for the reasons you identified, to find those small bits and hunt them down until we figure out what is going on or there is no other data out there to be applied to the problem. >> director blair? >> just for context, mr. chairman, i would cite two things, not by way of excuses, but by way of understanding. the only conversation on resources that i have had with director leiter in the weeks leading up to christmas was a conversation the week before on how we were going to allocate a $30 million cut in the office of the d.n.i., part of which fund the ntct. so the general fiscal climate we were dealing with was one which was reducing resources to this. the second thing is the pressure on no-fly lists, as you all know, for several years before 2008 had been make them smaller. my cousin has a name on it and is getting hassled every time. you can tell as you read through the gui

we're going to be better now at chasing down those small bits of data that come out of yemen or north africaor east africa. so that's number one. number two is we are establishing with new resources -- the plan is to establish teams that have no responsibilities other than to do that. we're calling them pursuit teams for the very reasons you identified. to find those small bits and hunt them down until we either figure out what's going on or simply there is no other data out there to be applied to the problem. >> director blair? >> just for context, mr. chairman, i would cite two things not by way of excuses but by way of understanding. the only conversation on resources that i had with director leiter in the weeks leading up to christmas was a conversation a week before on how we're going to allocate a $30 million cut in the office of the dni part of which funds the nctc. so the general fiscal climate we were dealing with was one which was reducing resources to this. the second thing is, the pressure on no-fly lists several years before 2008 had been make them smaller. my cousin has a name

turning friendly countries, meaning ones that share with us the enemy of islamic extremism, from north africa to the philippines. this partnership approach has not been articulated by the obama administration and does not get much media coverage, but it's worth a careful look, because it offers the best path toward a world with the united states is not always operating as an anti-terrorist robocop." guest: to have allies around the world combating terrorism makes a good deal of sense. that does not mean we turn our backs on the mission in afghanistan or iraq. i do not think the president has suggested that we do that. this is not a world we are choosing, but a world wto which we have to respond to the alternative is to lose, and if we lose, that would encourage those who would attack as everywhere around the world to keep it up. i think it is a multi-front approach -- i think a multi- front approaches appropriate, and the idea that we would train other countries to meet this threat around world makes a great deal of sense. we need to uncover pots before they unfold, but we need to -- and cove

are going to be better at kissing down the small bits of data that come out of east africa or north africa. we are establishing with new resources teams that have no responsibilities other than to win that. we are calling them pursued teams for the very reason you identified. find the small bits and hunt them down until we either figure out what is the one on board there is simply no where else to go and there is no other data out there to be applied to the problem. >> just for context, i would cite to things. not by way of excuses but by the way of understanding. the only conversation on resources i had with director michael leiter leading up to christmas was a conversation the week before about how we would allocate a $30 million cut and the office of the dni, part of which funds the nctc. the general fiscal climate we were dealing with was one that was producing resources -- that was reducing resources. as you read through the guidance given to analysts that the were expected to cast a fishy eye on the inclusion of a lot more names. the pressure was on the other direction. shame on us f

minister counselor and has extensive experience in international development in the middle east, north africatrator for asia and he has held a number of other important jobs in india, islamabad, and was the director of u.s. aid congressional delegation to office from 2000- 2003. i will now turn it over to jim. we will then follow with alex and then paul. jim, thank you. >> thank you, very much. çóthank you for inviting us and usaid. general jones did an excellent job of laying out the strategic and policy imperatives of the barack obama of administration. Ñii would notÑi pretend to elabe on that. i will takeÑi one " from presidt obama is aÑi speech at west poit in early december were he said çóthat we needed a civilian presence on the ground and the region, particularly afghanistan. our efforts will fail if we shortchange this effort. our efforts will fail in afghanistan if we do not invest in their future. we expect to beÑi involved in afghanistan and pakistan for quite a long time on the civilian side. we're committed to building a lasting partnership said you heard general jones talk about

are going to be better at kissing down the small bits of data that come out of east africa or north africa. we are establishing with new resources teams that have no responsibilities other than to win that. we are calling them pursued teams for the very reason you identified. find the small bits and hunt them down until we either figure out what is the one on board there is simply no where else to go and there is no other data out there to be applied to the problem. >> just for context, i would cite to things. not by way of excuses but by the way of understanding. the only conversation on resources i had with director michael leiter leading up to christmas was a conversation the week before about how we would allocate a $30 million cut and the office of the dni, part of which funds the nctc. the general fiscal climate we were dealing with was one that was producing resources -- that was reducing resources. as you read through the guidance given to analysts that the were expected to cast a fishy eye on the inclusion of a lot more names. the pressure was on the other direction. shame on us f

kill the cartoonist in denmark last week, the underwear bomber, and people are always afraid of north africa, so there are few afghans in al qaeda and almost no how can it in afghanistan. if we train the cloth that have a connection to afghanistan, non are traced back to afghanistan. those are traced back to terrorist groups. they all trade back to pakistan, so in order to actually promote national security, we need to focus on the group that can protect the west, and those are the groups i just mentioned. the afghan insurgents do not project to the west. they have a domestic agenda. what are our stated goals in afghanistan? to defeat outcry debt and its allies. this is mostly done for the destruction, so we have not defeated al qaeda. al qaeda is not dead as was shown last week by the killing of the cia officer. what is the surge going to do for the next 18 months it is going to depend on implementation, and it is going to very -- vary. some will be good, and those will be trumpeted in washington. those that are bad and will be trumpeted. what we really should be able to do is isolate the f

of sciences will be traveling to indonesia shortly and former nih director will be headed for north africain february. over time we will need additional signs on voice from various disciplines to visit different parts of the world who come science on was will seek to deepen existing and develop the relationships and gather input on here is a potential collaboration aimed at addressing common global challenges and realizing shared goals although the convoys are private citizens, they will share with a learned how on these trips with the u.s. government and relationships they build. to reaffirm our commitment to global engagement. finally before taking questions, george mitchell of arrived in paris today, had a meeting with foreign minister there and very shortly will leave paris for brussels for meetings with the quartet at the envoy level. >> can you go back on the quartet meeting or individual meetings? >> it is a quartet meeting at the envoy level. >> going back to bill burns travel, moscow and then we're on the 15th? >> madrid. >> that is for e.u. a what's? >> e.u. political director. >

. - there are also examples in somalia, north africa, al qaeda, and there is there is concern about alfocus on the threat from sub-saharan ay%9ñ in addition to that we have these homegrown plots. i don't think we should necessarily infer from the fact that there seems to have been an increasing number of them. this past year, since september 11, that necessarily homegrown terrorism is a rising threat. it may wellxd be that the numbe just happens to beç aç coincidence. the point is it is axd threat. i have never believed áe conventional wisdom that we in the united states have less of a potential homegrown threat in the muslim community than the case in europe because our muslim community is better integrated, they areç educated. that is certainly true, but i think one of the things to takeway from bin laden, from a with at( hery, is thatç terror -- a with a herea is that terrorists come in all sizes. it's not the case that if that person is educated it's not led to terrorism. we have a metastasizing problem of terrorism and one about which we should be increasingly concerned. >> i

watching the adaptations, we have to watch what is happening in yemen, what is happening in somalia, north africathese are real problems. it is not just afghanistan. it is sobering, it is unfortunate, but it is the reality we live in. host: next juan call next zarate, -- next call for juan zarate, jacksonville, florida, a democrat. caller: i have a question concerning the way we are put under scrutiny, for lack of a better word, when we go to board our flights here in america. now, so much time is spent on, it seems, getting a group of names on a list who cannot fly. why isn't there a list done for people who can fly? with our database at today's technology, it takes no time to compile a list of people who are citizens, who are legitimate americans, who have reason to be flying, instead of this list so that it makes it easier -- host: sorry about that. guest: you raised some very good points, actually. this is something that the department of homeland security has been looking at for the past few years. they had a pilot project to make it easier for business travelers to get through security, and

watching the adaptations, we have to watch what is happening in yemen, what is happening in somalia, north africathese are real problems. it is not just afghanistan. it is sobering, it is unfortunate, but it is the reality we live in. host: next juan call next zarate, -- next call for juan zarate, jacksonville, florida, a democrat. caller: i have a question concerning the way we are put under scrutiny, for lack of a better word, when we go to board our flights here in america. now, so much time is spent on, it seems, getting a group of names on a list who cannot fly. why isn't there a list done for people who can fly? with our database at today's technology, it takes no time to compile a list of people who are citizens, who are legitimate americans, who have reason to be flying, instead of this list so that it makes it easier -- host: sorry about that. guest: you raised some very good points, actually. this is something that the department of homeland security has been looking at for the past few years. they had a pilot project to make it easier for business travelers to get through security, and

operating room of world without qaeda and the arabian peninsula being elitist and most lethal, north africa come al qaeda in the mog -- and there's been experiences in the donner and that is why africom was struck by the duty to focus on the potential terrorism threat from sub-saharan africa. in addition to that, we have obviously these homegrown plots. i don't -- i don't think we should necessarily infer from the fact that there seems to have been an increasing number of them this past year since september 11th that necessarily homegrown terrorism is a rising threat that may well be that the number happens to be a coincidence. but the point is it is a threat and i've never believed the conventional wisdom that we in the united states have less of a potential home grown threat in the muslim community that is the case in europe because our muslim communities better integrated, better educated. that is certainly true but one of the things to to go from bin laden and al-zawahiri and from abdulmutallab is terrorists come in all sizes and stripes and socio-economic circumstances and it's not nec

we do about the continuing struggles and conflicts between pastoralists and herders in much of north africa. there's lots of consequences. but i think we have to try to take it out of the finger pointing and bilateral or regional context and try to put it into a broader one. i'm very concerned about it and i will welcome, you know, the advice of the study group that you referred to from mckinsey, but i think it's something we've got to get on and get on it quickly. there are going to be wars fought over water in the next 10 years if we don't try to get ahead of this and look for ways to come up with as many win-win strategies as possible. not easy, but i think that, let's try to eliminate as many of theable aspects of this problem, leave -- as many of the solveable aspects of this problem leaving the hard core ones for the end game where we have to use leverage to force countries to make the decisions. >> sounds like a great diplomatic. ed, very, very quickly. >> we want to thank you for coming here, it's an organization, i know you are aware, made up of very high quality people ready to su

watching the adaptations, we have to watch what is happening in yemen, what is happening in somalia, north africa. these are real problems. it is not just afghanistan. it is sobering, it is unfortunate, but it is the reality we live in. host: next juan call next zarate, -- next call for juan zarate, jacksonville, florida, a democrat. caller: i have a question concerning the way we are put under scrutiny, for lack of a better word, when we go to board our flights here in america. now, so much time is spent on, it seems, getting a group of names on a list who cannot fly. why isn't there a list done for people who can fly? with our database at today's technology, it takes no time to compile a list of people who are citizens, who are legitimate americans, who have reason to be flying, instead of this list so that it makes it easier -- host: sorry about that. guest: you raised some very good points, actually. this is something that the department of homeland security has been looking at for the past few years. they had a pilot project to make it easier for business travelers to get through security, a

it has a functioning in north africa. one in iraq and a nascent wing in somalia and east africa. so the folks that argue that al qaeda has been isolated and unable to use or expand its organization on the face of it they seem to be wrong, simply on the basis of media reports. >> host: we see the efforts on homeland security and what we're doing to prevent people from coming in. we also read about and see the launches of predator drones against some al qaeda operatives here want are we doing that we should be? just go well, i think that what we've seen is definitive root if there is such a thing in any topic that killing these people one at a time is not sufficient. it wasn't sufficient when we started to do it in 1995. it's far less efficient now because there's so many more people in the world in the muslim world that are about america. on terms -- or at least foreign-policy. very few muslims hate americans for being americans. in terms of airports, the watchlist is not a silver bullet. i think if anything, this gentleman in detroit was a rank amateur. he received training but h

countering piracy off the east coast of africa, and isolating north korea for its persistent and aggressive nuclear and missile tests. while these are positive steps in our relationship, we cannot ignore the reality that china still fall short in the calm of reassurance. actions speak louder than words. here are but a few examples. first, on monday china demonstrate its resolve to expand its strategic capabilities with the missile defense tests. as of yesterday we heard from the pentagon that this test was conducted without advance notification to the united states. what are china's intentions for employing a missile intercept system? once again we are left in the dark to question china's commitment to transparency and cooperation. more concerned, this test comes at a time of tension over our arms sales to taiwan. is this test intended as an aggressive signal? second, according to the latest u.s.-china economic and security commission report, i quote, there's been a marked increase in cyber intrusions originating in china targeting u.s. government and defense related computer systems. an ac

north is at the top. and in the spirit that wasn't necessarily always the case. [inaudible] >> this is china, india, central asia, middle east. africa, and then this is the most famous part of the map. north america appear, mexico here, these are the islands of the caribbean. this is the region columbus explored. and then there's landmass. the dominant visual impression you get from looking at the new world is this giant southern place. and that's really what was making an impression on europeans in the early days of discovery. it wasn't so much the westin is of the new world. it was obviously, columbus had pioneered a new route across the lack that he thought he had reached asia. so he had just about everybody thought he had confirmed old geographical ideas. south america, which amerigo vespucci wrote about in the late 1490s and early 1500s, extended far into the south into a part of the globe that people tended to think there wasn't any land in. and that made a big impression. and we'll get back to that in a minute. what dominates the map that is the southern part, and that's why the cartographer put the word america on the southe

countering piracy of the east coast of africa and isolating north korea for its persistent and aggressive nuclear and missile tests. while these are positive steps in our relationship we cannot ignore the reality that china still falls short in a column of reassurance. actions speak louder than words. here are but a few examples -- first, on monday china demonstrated its resolve to expand strategic capabilities with a missile defense test. as of yesterday we heard of the pentagon that this was conducted without a danced on vacation to the u.s.. what are china's intentions for employing the missile intercept system? once again, we're left in the dark to question china's commitment to transparency and cooperation. mark concerning this test comes at a time of tension over arms sales to taiwan. is this test intended as an aggressive signal? second, according to the latest u.s. china and economic insecurity commission report, i close, there has been a marked increase in cyber intrusions originating in china and targeting u.s. government and defense related in computer systems. and activity tha

, this is china, india, central asia, the middle east, europe appear, africa and then this is the most famous part of the map, north america up here in the gulf of mexico here and these are the islands of the caribbean and then it south america. the dominant visual impression you get from looking at the new world is this john and southern place and that is what was making an impression on europeans in the early days of discovery. it wasn't so much the west of obviously columbus had pioneered a great new route across the alana tech but he thought he reached asia so he had just about everybody thought he confirmed old geographical ideas. south america which he wrote about infil late 49 fees' and early 1500's extend far into the south and to part of the globe people tend to think about there wasn't any land in. that made a big impression and we will get back to that in a minute. what dominates is the southern part and that is why martin, the cartographer put the word america on the subcontinent along the shores america he sealed upon. it is what today would be considered brazil. they put it on the map. as i said there

recall the pacific, china, india, central asia, the middle east, europe. , africa, and the most famous part of the map, northconfirmed old geographical ideas. south america, which amerigo vespucci wrote about, in the late 1490s and early 1500s, extended far into the south into a part of the globe that people tended to think there wasn't any land and. and that made a big impression. we will get back to that in a minute. what dominates the map that is the southern part, and that's why the cartographer put the word america. i was due in on. is probably on what today would be considered brazil. right there. that's the first use of the work. these guys made a name up and and put it on the map. as i said though there's much, much more to the map and just did depiction of the new world that i want to do a book for ra like me who is reasonably well-informed that really didn't know anything about the map or the history of really world mapping, would read and learn as much as possible from. and i wanted to come up with a will of making it kind of gripping narrative read. as many different stores as possible. the way i

the part we now call the pacific, china, india, essentially shut, africa obviously, and this is the most famous part of the map, norths big long sunlight access south. the dominant visual impression you get from looking at the new world is looking at this giant southern place in god's really what was making an impression on europeans in the early days of discovery. it wasn't so much the wetness of the new world. it was obviously columbus had pioneered a great new route across the atlantic, but he thought he had reached asia. so she and just about everybody thought that he confirmed old geographical ideas. south america, which, excuse me, amerigo vespucci wrote about in the late 14 90's and early 1400's extended far into the south into a part of the globe that people tended to think there wasn't any land. and i made a big impression and put it back to that in a minute. what dominates the map then is the southern part and that's why the cartographer put the word continent along the shores that amerigo vespucci sailed along. [inaudible] always zero in on it. it's probably on today what would be considered bizzell right

engagement with the governments of somalia in the north which for nearly 20 years has beacon of stability and democracy within the hope of horn of africa and continue that success. >> i appreciate what he is saying. he speaks with a great deal of knowledge of what has happened in africa over the years. we will work with all governments against the terrorist threat. the real danger is the al qaeda confined areas where there is instability. they exploit that, and then, of course, cause chaos within the region around them. we are determined to work with like-minded governments. we have got to expose extremism and expose the backers. >> as someone with an airport in the heart of the constituency i welcome the announcement, but does the share my concern and is he shocked to hear that even at the airports announced this week that they are having security and will he the contact ee and the aviation and will he find out what is going on? >> the important thing is that the airports take seriously. every airport in this country will be responding. i believe that if they're done properly the inconvenience to passengers can be minimized, and i bel

like sudan, combo, north korea, zimbabwe, or on the hard issues, like ending gender inequality and discrimination against gays and lesbians from the middle list to south america, africaasia. in sudan, ongoing tensions threaten the devastation oand the genocide of doodarfur. we can focus our efforts on preventing genocide elsewhere. we have to remain focused on women, women's rights, women's roles, and women's responsibility. as i said in beijing in 1995, human-rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights. i wish it could be so easily translated into action and changes. that ideal is far from being realized in some many places around our world. there's no place that so epitomizes the difficult and tragic circumstances confronting women than in eastern congo. i was in goma last august, the epicenter of one of the most violent and chaotic regions on earth. when i was there, i met with the victims of perfect gender and sexual violence. i met with refugees driven from their homes by the many military forces operating there. i met with those offering to negotiate the conflict. i saw the best and the worst of humanity in a single day, the unspeakable acts o

we do about the continuing struggles and conflicts between pastoralists and herders in much of north africa. there's lots of consequences. but i think we have to try to take it out of the finger pointing and bilateral or regional context and try to put it into a broader one. i'm very concerned about it and i will welcome, you know, the advice of the study group that you referred to from mckinsey, but i think it's something we've got to get on and get on it quickly. there are going to be wars fought over water in the next 10 years if we don't try to get ahead of this and look for ways to come up with as many win-win strategies as possible. not easy, but i think that, let's try to eliminate as many of theable aspects of this problem, leave -- as many of the solveable aspects of this problem leaving the hard core ones for the end game where we have to use leverage to force countries to make the decisions. >> sounds like a great diplomatic. ed, very, very quickly. >> we want to thank you for coming here, it's an organization, i know you are aware, made up of very high quality people ready to su