>> i'm asking in north africa. were any armed drone strikes made by the united states in north africa prior to 9/11? >> i do not know what you could be referencing. >> i'm wondering if the state department was aware or the military was aware or these eia was aware. and if we are not going to talk about it we are not going to talk about it, but that is a question i would like to know. going back to iran, what is our red line regarding the iranian nuclear program? i would ask director brennan. what is our red line? >> that is clearly a policy question. one of the things the intelligence community is trying to make sure policymakers are fully development -- informed about developments inside iran. >> but regarding the nuclear weapon program and our intelligence capabilities, again, we have a wonderful intelligence community but we were not aware of the bombing in 1993 of the world trade center tower. we were not aware before 9/11 occurred in 2001. we were not aware of a arab spring developments and were not aware of t

>> i'm asking in north africa. were any armed drone strikes made by the united states in north africa prior to 9/11? \ >> i do not know what you could be referencing. >> i'm wondering if the state department was aware or the military was aware or these eia was aware. and if we are not going to talk about it we are not going to talk about it, but that is a question i would like to know. going back to the -- going back to iran, what is our red line regarding the iranian nuclear program? i would ask director brennan. what is our red line? >> that is clearly a policy question. one of the things the intelligence community is trying to make sure policymakers are fully development -- informed about developments inside iran. >> but regarding the nuclear weapon program and our intelligence capabilities, again, we have a wonderful intelligence community but we were not aware of the bombing in 1993 of the world trade center tower. we were not aware before 9/11 occurred in 2001. we were not aware of a arab spring developments

moving to north africa the typical april pattern in the gulf states. this will bring serious effects. some people in the residential areas are aware of the typical changing types including thunderstorms, gale and tornadoes and not too typical of snow accumulating 5 centimeters in oklahoma, texas and the panhandle. a look at your temperatures, new york at 8 degrees, oklahoma city down to 7 degrees hence the snow you may be finding and houston at 23. moving over to japan now where we have been feeling wet and windy weather here in tokyo as well. one system will pull away but another rain band forming across central japan and includes the contour region as well where we will probably see heavy rain arou around afternoon hours. you can see it finally clearing way. the gusts are still strong so do be aware of that 126 kilometers miles an hour gusts still capable of being unleashed and 6 meter high waves on the pacific side. across southeastern china, rain still lingering there. we really don't want rain there. the soil can't take any more water and landslid

involved or become interested in the trading activities we now are occurring in places across north africaorrendous to heal area of africa. we have to be concerned how these organizations to work together and how well-connected they are. we pay very close attention to that and i think that our insights today are far better than they were just a few years ago and her ability to have been in fact has been described. today is actually pretty good, but we need to stay on top of that, especially ensuring we truly understand this ideology we face. >> general gave his points -- can you give your idea on the strength of area and would that be the predominate pesticide group quite >> i can go into detailed in the closed session on the numbers in relation to the rest of the opposition if that's what you mean. the numbers themselves are not in ticketed a very real influence. >> just one i would offer working very closely within the intelligence community and how we define to use a military term and how we define the order of battle. what's the organization, plural, the make of this variety of coaliti

places across north africa or -- occurring in places across north africa or other places. we have to be concerned about how these organizations do work together and how well connected they are. i think that we pay very close attention to that, and i think that our insights today are far better than they were just a few years ago. and our ability to have an impact i think has been described here today is actually pretty good. we need to stay on top of this, especially that we truly understand this ideology we face. >> the comments about a.q.i., can you give us your thoughts on the strength of that organization in syria? would that be the predominant public facade group? >> talking about -- >> yes. >> i can go into detail in closed session on their numbers in relation to the rest of the opposition if that's what you mean. the numbers themselves are not indicative of their real influence. >> just want to add that i would offer, we are working very closely within the intelligence community, and how we would define it is to use a military term, how we define the order of battle

>> i'm asking in north africa. were any armed drone strikes made by the united states in north africa prior to 9/11? do not know what you could be referencing. >> i'm wondering if the state department was aware or the military was aware or these eia was aware. and if we are not going to talk about it we are not going to talk about it, but that is a question i would like to know. going back to the -- going back to iran, what is our red line regarding the iranian nuclear program? i would ask director brennan. ?hat is our red line >> that is clearly a policy question. one of the things the intelligence community is trying areake sure policymakers fully development -- informed about developments inside iran. >> but regarding the nuclear weapon program and our intelligence capabilities, again, we have a wonderful intelligence community but we were not aware of the bombing in 1993 of the world trade center tower. 11 were not aware before 9/ occurred in 2001. we were not aware of a arab spring developments and were not aw

delegates from the middle east and north africa criticized israel for refusing to hold a meeting.elegates at a treaty review conference agreed to hold the meeting. representatives say israel's boycott is preventing the discussions from taking place. >>> the u.s. defense secretary has announced an arms deal that will strengthen israel's military edge in the middle east. chuck hagel says a package will include transport aircraft and an advanced radar system. he met with the his israeli counterpart. he said israel will buy the b22 osprey plane. israel will also buy an aerial refueling jet. the aircraft would make it easier to conduct long distance raids on iran. israeli leaders have threatened military action to stop iran from developing nuclear weapons. hagel said there's still time for can diplomacy and sanctions. but the arms sale will increase israel's long-range capabilities. he's already enacted the first two. now he's focusing on the third. we are joined from the business desk. gross strategy, doesn't sound like an easy task considering the state of japan's finances. >> japan

toin >> is a big bridge latin america, north africa for young people to come and work and it has beene some kind of paradise in earlier years. for them to work in the city's, they are completely collapsed about the options for looking for work in spain are disheartening. you can either tough that out in the economy or start again somewhere else. the news keeps getting worse. the very latest figures show that spain has just broken the of employment record set at the end of last year. 6.2 million people are now jobless and 27.2% of the population. this country is in uncharted territory. this is not what lincoln wanted but his daughter will grow up in ecuador, not spain. economic mess from other european nations -- thousands are expected to announce it has hit a record jobless rate surpassing the jobless record of 1997. the russian economy grew by three. 0% in the first three months of the year. our guest joins us live from london. about spain and that record unemployment rate? what is behind this and what is needed to improve it? >> with spain, you've got to look at the roots of the cur

>> i'm asking in north africa. i'm asking directer brennan, any drone strikes made by the united states in north africa prior to 911. >> we don't talk about specific actions, but, again, i don't know what you are referencing. >> i'm just wondering if the state department was aware or if the military was aware or if the cia was aware, and if we're not going to talk about that, but that's a question i'd like to know. going back to iran, what is our red line regarding the iranian nuclear weapons development program? , and i ask director brennan, what is our red line? >> that clearly is a policy question. that's one of the things the intelligence committee is trying to ensure policymakers are informed about developments in iran and nuclear related pursuits. >> but regarding the nuclear weapon program and our intelligence capability, again, a wonderful intelligence community, but we were not aware of the bombing in 1993 at the world trade center tower. we were not aware before 911 occurred in 2001. we were not aware of

military exercises in order to stop a new south korean government from opening up in gauging the north. africa and he promised in the intellectual campaign so i think that's probably what was behind it then the americans i think got a bit why that things were getting out of power and and have had scaled back on that but. there's less themselves with a situation where the koreans are not going to go back now they're not going to give up their own nuclear weapons but that's not the end of the story i think you know there are all sorts of ways. this can be negotiated. they can have all sorts of agreements whereby there is face saved on both sides because we have to remember that is only a few years ago the americans under george bush just the same thing with india they had they had told off india for developing nuclear weapons to being outside nuclear nonproliferation treaty. and then they decided well perhaps india was going to counterbalance to china and they swallowed all these nonproliferation approachable laws and signed the deal went to a deal with india so they can do the same thing with w

the question was is there a new ormal in particular in north africa and west africa? but also taking a look at other parts of the world to see if we were more vulnerable than we had been in the past. as a result of that, i won't give you the exact numbers because they are classified, but we identified a number of diplomatic posts, consulates and embassies, where we thought it would be prude to increase ur mill -- prudent to increase our military presence. we are in the process of building that out to do that. some of that included hardening facilities. the state department is in the process of building that out as well. now in the interim we looked at response time for fast teams, fleet, anti-terrorism support teams, commanders in extremist forces -- we have several quick response forces that are positioned in places in the med, in the gulf. and we looked at placing additional lift with those forces, which would increase their response time. and we looked at changing their alert status. there are two things to think about. one is the alert status. normally you think a

also undermining governments like they want to libya which were the who are against al-qaeda in north africa and of course in syria we see that they're actually do all they can to overthrow the government of president assad which is fighting his own islamic terror so they do maracana for very inconsistent it's actually. supporting islamic terror groups in some countries and oppose them in others and so if they really want to get rich is that will be more consistent really. how do you expect the us to adapt to the security screening now after this you think will be any change well of course but yes. reactions but i think the basic problem is we are so high to law school this is the first terrorists are americans already since two thousand and one wall street in terrible but you know gun crime is that they go over to the united states we have so many of these sort of going postal shit shootouts killings in schools etc so gun crime is the biggest problem facing america the quad point and you know how we're going to do with that should should be debate question really neal thanks for the journal

africa on the arabian peninsula in countries like the philippines and indonesia and increasingly in north africa so dirty wars is both a statement about the fact that there is no such thing as a clean war but also saying that we're essentially returning to a very dark period in u.s. history just a. decades earlier that's interest in the correct me if i'm wrong in my recollection of history please cherami but my recollection is the back in the eighty's during the dirty wars in south and central america particularly central america john negroponte was involved fairly heavily in that and was accused at least of being involved in the death squads in el salvador and or one of those countries in that region and i recall i was on the air i was doing my radio show when it was announced the john negroponte was going to iraq and right i said on the air. if history is any indication if the pass any occasion in the future probably in the next few weeks or soon we're going to start seeing people with their hands tied behind their backs in a ball in their head and we did now i'm not sure i don't know what to

violence going on in the middle east and it's not just libya of course and it's across the whole of north africa across the whole of the middle east where we now have drone strikes wiping out whole villages or wedding parties and where we have killed this drawn up by the cia and ratified by your president every week you know i can't. go on at the moment it is amazing that that is sort of brought into the light and people seem to accept what would be considered completely unacceptable even during bush. specifically let's talk about what kind of climates that activity you think is going on what we're looking at syria and iran which are two countries that of course we're here in the war drums being beaten about constantly. well syria is in a complete mess of course but what i find to kill hypocritical is in the u.k. our government is now trying to find ways around the embargo on sending arms to the rebels and yet these rebels are self-confessed affiliates of al qaeda in iraq is a group called particularly in the north northeast of syria which now controls the area which is rich she say and they are

violence going on in the middle east and it's not just libya courson it's across the whole of north africa across the whole of the middle east where we now have drone strikes wiping out a whole village it's a wedding party and where we have killed drawn up by the cia and ratified by your president every week you know i can't even walk right in the right what's going on at the moment it is amazing that that is sort of brought into the light and people seem to accept what would be considered completely unacceptable even in bush. specifically let's talk about what kind of kindness that activity you think is going on what we're looking at syria any wrong which are two countries that of course we're here in the war drums being beaten about constantly. well syria is in a complete mess. to kill hypocritical in the u.k. government is now trying to find ways around the. one sending to the rebels and yet these rebels. affiliates of al qaeda in iraq is a group called particularly in the north northeast of syria which now controls the area which is great she say and they are. so-called terrorist enemy

. >> when he was in north africa, all the arabs tried to save his jewish because -- avec. his publicity people had to do a lot of work persuading the arabs, convinced the literacy wasn't jewish. how that was started, in fact, the schoolbook had a little article in it saying something that he was vaguely jewish or something. and i contacted the eyes and -- the eisenhower library. they said that wasn't foolish. it wasn't true. he wasn't jewish. but he was, you're right, but then he supported nafta against israel, britain and france -- nasa. >> [inaudible] >> yes, it was. anyone else? >> first of all i want to commend you for a very fascinating book. i enjoyed the parts about a read, and i don't want to comment on the first president you mentioned, mr. washington, because i was much too young then. [laughter] but i would like to bring us back to what this young lady was talking about, and i agree with her 100% about mr. roosevelt. in my own case i know that my mother and father, when they learned of mr. roosevelt's death, almost sat sugar, which greens, you know, commemoratin

is winding down operations, while al qaeda has migrated to yemen and north africa. i envision a lot of debate and uncertainty about what constitutes a heart battlefield. is it u.s. boots on the ground? if so, how many? why should that be the test? what about the libya in 2011? the distinction made sense for developing policy, but i caution against the development of different legal regimes and standards on that basis. phrase "drawn corp. "is a catchy phrase that fits on a bumper sticker, but it is a conceptual misnomer. the activity we are talking about is not limited to unmanned aerial vehicles. targeted lethal force can be and is lethalfrom several other types of platforms, including manned aircraft. then there are the constitutional issues. this depends in large part on the scope of what we are considering. theree with the profs on subject. article two of the constitution states that the president shall be the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. this is his burden and responsibility. he may delegate it within his own chain of command, and he cannot assign par

lou: general, the assets that are in place, and position, whether it be seven europe or north africa,o you have a read as to the degree to which you have confidence and what the official account is that there were not assets in position to deploy to rescue the american specifically before who were killed? >> the 11th anniversary of the most horrific attack and the united states. we have assets in the mediterranean. we have a fighter base. f-16s that should have been on airborne alert in the mediterranean right off of libya . the actions to take down khaddafi. we knew it was a hotbed. the fact is, we didn't. in addition, we add s loudobbs@foxbusiness.com force which is a 40-man special operations force in croatia on an exercise. why would you have such a valuable asset in another area on an exercise rather than on alert. why were there not more airborne alert and ground alert forces on that very special day? lou: the general is referring to southern italy or, of course to libya. michael, this covert force comprised of some 40 cia operatives, is it typical that they would be able to be

you look around the world today, the inability of violence raging throughout north africa, and i might also add central africa, too. and the middle east, rising tensions in the korean peninsula, iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons and icbms to deliver it. and growing cyber threats against our infrastructure. it's hard to take seriously the president's claim that the tide of war is receding eric i'm glad, greatly concerned great concerns underlie this initiations naÏve view of the world. it's driving the administration's misguided search for a peace dividend that a don't believe exists. we went through that once before ban t he90s. i wemember thaiscussion. it's driving drast cs our military, under myreadiness and capability. it's driving reduction to our nuclear arsenal at a time when our adversaries are expanding there. we should be expanding ours. further, the cuts associate with sequestration are having significant impact on the capabilities and the reach of our intelligence community colleges at the time when we are really needing it the most. director clapper, when asked about the ef

. >> when he was in north africa they tried to say he was jewish because he appeared jewish. publicity had to do a lot of work persuading the air of us and the leaders that he wasn't jewish. how that was started in fact, the schoolbook said something that he was vaguely jewish or something and i contacted the ike library and they said that was foolish. they write anything in these magazines about people and it wasn't true. but he was, you are right. but then he supported nassau against israel. ike did. [inaudible] >> yes, it was. that was the suez canal. anyone else? >> first of all i want to commend you for a very fascinating book. i enjoyed the parts that i read and i want to comment on the first president you mentioned mr. washington because i was much too young then. [laughter] but i would like to bring us back to what the young lady was talking about about mr. roosevelt. i know that my mother and father almost as sad shiver which he was commemorating the dead by 77 days. he had an influence over the jewish people that to this day has never been corrected frankly. the arg

shows what the general is saying very clearly with the al qaeda of presents whether syria, yemen, north africa, it is growing and strengthening. how do we resolve policy and reality? >> first of all, the first lessons of solving the problem is recognized the we refuse to use the term radical islam they use violent extremist. but added the congressional hearing or any report issued this during government. lou: i have to interrupt we have just learned watertown police law enforcement are now sending of bomb disposal robot into the location of dzhokar tsarnaev who remains immobilized in the boat of the backyard and franklin street. they're sending in the bomb disposal robot and we will keep you apprised but that is the situation. >> and with the remote to robot it would seem they don't fear his condition is in such good condition to interfere with the robot? it seems to me that they think he may be really down but going back to the other issue they said there is no policy we don't even recognize the policy not even to fight al qaeda that is the only policy they have but al qaeda is only a part of

. >> sean: and north africa and-- >> and bali. i'll say this, what the chinese are doing in this open, naked cyber warfare, cyber theft and cyber invasion, they've been doing this a long time and for the first time mr. obama, in the form of mr. donlan named them as the main perpetrator of cyber warfare against the united states. we're going to have to review and have a dramatic reappraisal of our entire policy engaging with the china. >> sean: pat. >> and the trade-- >> they carry an awful lot of american debt. >> they carry a trillion dollars worth of american debt and we're giving them 300 billion in trade every year and ask our questions, is it a wise policy basically to let them cart off part of the american market for all the stuff that-- >> that's what we've done a slap on the wrist and call them out, we yiidentify them and don't do anything with the russians. i think the world has decided with all of these actions between russia, china, north korea, tell me that i'm wrong. i think they've decided they see a weak president t

while we were doing this work the arab spring was unfolding throughout north africa. question was not are they going to assassinate can a daf by but what happened -- qaddafi but what happens next? the play has a reputation for being a bit of a dying fool after caesar is assassinated. the one thing we know it's that caesar is assassinated. it's the single fact of the pagan world, i guess. the big urgent question is what happens next? the african setting, i hope has allowed us to illuminate that. >> rose: this is what you said "i don't want to weigh in as a gay white middle class director in his middle age and says julius caesar should be done in an african context." >> exactly. i wanted to test it out with my peers. we've got great, great classical actors who happen to be black in the uk now. 50 years ago the first black actor appeared in strat ford. following year 1959 paul robson came to play owe dothel -- othello. through those years black actors came in their skills it's the first time we casted an entirely black cast. there's no shortage of really, really exceptio

. >> another threat, a larger terrorist haven that continues to build in parts of libya and north africa. those working the region in the united states security plainly the ball is being dropped by people at the white house, pentagon and state department. >> the second highest population of foreign fighters in the war in iraq came from benghazi. second to saudi arabia. so we are talking about historic location and region that has fed foreign fighters to kill americans and kill other coalition forces the analysts, intelligence experts that i work with all say the same thing that if we just ignore the situation, as it presents itself, eventually another invasion will have to take place for us to eventually turn the tide. >> he says the region also remains a weapons hub. after the overthrow of former leader muammar qaddafi in 2011 which saw massive stockpiles of weapons in libya move freely across the mediterranean many cases in syria. remove shoulder launched missiles called man pads, some americans working the area say they are not allowed to take or even destroy the missiles because they

persists and continues to emanate from week states and and govern spaces in the middle east and north africa. there also stands an array of other security challenges of varying vintage and agreed to risks of the united states. the proliferation of dangerous weapons and materials, the increased availability of advanced military technologies in the hands of state and not state actors, the risk of regional conflicts that could draw in the united states, the debilitating and dangerous curves of human despair and poverty, as well as the uncertain implications of the environmental degradation. cyber attacks barely registered as a threat to a decade ago, have grown into a defining security challenge with potential adversaries seeking the ability to strike america's security, energy, economic, and critical infrastructure with the benefit of anonymity and distance. the world today is combustible and complex. america's responsibilities are as enormous as they are humbling. these challenges to our security and prosperity demand america's continued global leadership and global engagement, and they requi

you have a spread of al qaeda networks in north africa. think, you know, there was a lot of talk today about president bush's legacy, including some very impressive achievements in africa that were quite fairly noted by former president carter, who correctly gave bush credit for this amazing campaign against a.i.d.s. and for ending the war in sudan. i do think that one of his huge achievements that none of us would have dared to predict on september 12th, 2001, is that the united states was not attacked again during his administration, and i would say so far at least, we haven't had anything like those systematic attacks but it's very important, i believe, to stay on offense as he did, and i worry a little bit that we're not quite sure now whether we have to do that anymore. i think we have to. >> today, we heard from chuck hagel that there is, in his view, he's confident there's been evidence of chemical weapons being used on a small scale in syria. president obama had already said that would be his red line moment. have we crossed that r

the administration is also foresting $580 million middle east and north africa funds.an specific benchmarks ensure greater accountability and transparency in these funds , and who will oversee the implementation of this money? lastly, i have two questions for written reply, to allow the camp liberty residents in iraq to go back to camp ashra? the double layered walls that were protecting the camp are removed, and now the residents are vulnerable to armed attacks, as they were on february 9, when eight residents were killed. will the u.s. ask the iraqi government to adequately protect the residence in camp liberty? another question for written response highlights greece's importance to united states, and asks turkey to allow the christian seminary to reopen. on venezuela, will the u.s. noognize a president in recounts? >> i cannot give you a yes or no answer on that. we think there ought to be a recount. i do not know what will happen in the next days. they are talking about having an inauguration on friday. obviously, if there are huge irregularities, we are going to h

. >> pat, you mentioned all the areas of the world, and north africa, middle east, we saw it happen inwe see what is happening in syria, what is happening in the spread of influence and iran fighting proxy wars everywhere. are we going to look back at history and view this era, this time, this moment we live in as the rise of radical islamists? >> i believe you are exactly right, sean. what we are seeing is the rise or the resurrection of islam. it is growing. the great objective of islam in that part of the world, and again not everybody is involved, is to drive out the foreigners. the christians, the jews, the americans, the so-called imperialists out of what they believe is the islamic world and gradually moving into western europe and the other places. they have one god but ahla, the true believers and that is the god they are following to create the great islamic world. i believe this century is going to see this unfold. >> i think you are right, unfortunately, and i think we need more voices like mike ghouse. mike, the voices are too few, i would argue, and i think people in the

north africa through pakistan. innesian moslems are not a problem. they have not been a problem.he middle east, they generate more of these religions and also generate a lot of hatred. and i think we need to do a better job of not barring, but as greeting students from places such as saudi arabia, excep part of the problem is, the company's nutritional call traditional societies and simply cannot cope with american freedoms. does he take the saudis, big deal, lots of money in the family. hear your just another joke around the block and you have to study. they're not used to that at all. neil: a good point. when. >> the radical prime minister of greece was a berkeley college professor and turned against us. neil: and grad school, i was a say i aassar's son. biggest as on the planet. that is also a s. just arrogant, condescending. he did not do any genuine harm, but t be around him for me was psychologically harmful because i am serious such a jerk. my experience was not good. but on that intellectual love i shall leave you perry ell said to have you. thank you very much. >> thank

for the asia-pacific and adapting our force posture to a new normal of combustible violence in north africa and the middle east. we are also worked with others to keep serious complex conflict from destabilizing the region. we are ready with options if military force is called for, and can come and if military force can be used effectively to secure our interests without making the situation worse. we must also be ready with options for sunset and -- uncertain and dangerous future. this budget was purpose built to keep our nation immune from coercion. it aims to restore the versatility to a more affordable joint force in support of our defense strategy. however, let me be clear about what it does not do. this budget does not reflect full sequestration. it does oppose less reduction and it gives us more time. however, uncertainty persists about what the topline will be for this or any other future budget. nor does this budget includes funds to restore lost revenue. we don't know yet the full impact or the cost to recover from the readiness shortfalls that we are experiencing this year. as ex

but the problem is, around the world and the middle east and north africa and iran and saudi arabia and egypt. we're watching the rise of radical islamists and not only are we not calling it out for what it is, we're giving them f-16s, joe trippi, and paying for it. >> sean, they have to recruit from the peaceful moderate muslims and bring them over, which by the way, somehow happened -- potentially could have happened to these two as well. >> sean: state right there. -- stay right there. plus, chilling audio of the mother of the boston bombers as she declares she's not afraid of dying. shend her message to the american people and the world with the phrase, allah aback. we'll play the tape and get reaction. and karl rove right here tonight i'm telling you right now, the girl back at home would absolutely not have taken a zip line in the jungle. i'm really gd that girl stayed at home. vo: expedia helps 30 million travelers a month find what they're looking for. one traveler at a time. expedia. find yours. man: how did i get here? dumb luck? or good decisions? ones i've made. ones we've a

we are hearing everything from afghanistan, central asia, to also north africa and libya. jon: we know, jennifer that not far where where you are in maryland an uncle has been providing information to the authorities, clearly there are some family members who are appalled by these developments, and are helping out, but apparently it's a far-flung widespread family and everybody is going to come under some kind of suspicion until proven otherwise. >> reporter: this is a chechen family that came to the united states, we are told, over ten years ago, that was back in 2003. this young suspect that we are looking for right now he would have been two years old -- sorry, he would have been nine years old at the time when he came to the states. so he was young. he spent much of his life here it seems. he's very american niced. has he ao when you look at that video he and his brother could blend in so well because they've been studying here. his older brother who has since been killed, he was a boxer, he was studying on and off for the last few years at several community colleges i

but the problem is, around the world and the middle east and north africa and iran and saudi arabia andwe're watching the rise of radical islamists and not only are we not calling it out for what it is, we're giving them f-16s, joe trippi, and paying for it. >> sean, they have to recruit from the peaceful moderate muslims and bring them over, which by the way, somehow happened -- potentially could have happened to these two as well. >> sean: state right there. -- stay right there. plus, chilling audio of the mother of the boston bombers as she declares she's not afraid of dying. shend her message to the american people and the world with the phrase, allah aback. we'll play the tape and get reaction. and karl rove right here tonight on "hannity" @ [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? e carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. thto fight chronic. osteoarthritis pain. to fight chronic low back pain. to take action. to t

special operations forces in places like yemen and north africa. this is sort of light footprint, lower cost, more targete can have more control from the white house, you know, john brennan, now going to the cia. had far more control over how elements of that war were played out, as opposed to afghanistan, which was you give the troops and then the generals good off and do their thing. i think the president's relationship with the military is has sort of evolved a little bit, but it got off to a bit of a rocky start in the first year of his first term. >> host: you want to take a senator rubio water break? >> guest: i'm good. go by the mic and i'll >> your focus is on iraq and afghanistan, and you certainly pointed out the ineptness and incompetencety that has taken place, which makes me wonder if it's possible for us in the future to ever go into a war without making a total mess of it, and if so, what do we need to do differently, we need to change, or just continue to screw these things up. >> guest: well, a couple different things to say about

al qaedaism, because of the lack of a counternarrative in a lot of places like we're seeing in north africather places, it still has a very potent and toxic effect. thankfully, in the united states, we've had a very, very low percentage. although this is a tragic event, statistically an aberration. >> robert, chris, thank you very much for that. obviously trying to keep track of a changing situation. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> want to get a firsthand account of how things unfolded last night. we're joined by adam williams, who found himself in the thick of things when police confronted those suspects overnight. adam, good evening. >> good evening to you. the so called blast zone is just about a block behind me and around the corner behind these commercial businesses. this sort of set the scene. we were called to m.i.t. where the officer had been shot and killed. and from there, swiftly dispatched the a gas station about a mile up the road from m.i.t. where there were reports that the suspects, the two suspects -- although at that point we didn't know who we were dealing with --

that entirely encapsulates it as it does across north africa, yemen, further afield, countries like pakistanran. >> it's striking as the president was opening his library today, there emerged reports out of syria that the assad regime may have used chemical weapons, a red line for this administration. what lessons did did you learn, did president bush learn, that you hope president obama takes into can account? >> i think the lessons are really tough, you see, and very difficult. and i think the trouble is the lessons themselves are subject to great and heated debate. my view is that in the end the whole of the middle east and beyond is undergoing this period of huge transition where you have these dictatorial regimes whose time is up you. on the other hand, the battle for the future is between what i would call the modern minded types of people, the people who took to the streets first in egypt, who want what we want. but against them are various groups, islamist groups, that i'm afraid don't have the same concept, democracy or freedom that we do. and if any of them get hold of the potentia

people do get moved with more resources being allocated to north africa and to yemen. >> andrea, i want to stop you right here. we have an update on the third potential suspect. here's what our folks on the ground are reporting. police in, we have richard espozito has been reporting to this. richard, i think i have you with me. so, there is a third accomplice and they think he was on that train. i had just reported a few minutes ago about this train, the ama track tratrak train tha stopped between boston and new york. you have more information on this. go. >> it looks like police are now saying they're seeking two men. two accomplices. the brother of the slain suspected terrorist and another man who appears to have been dropped off at south station in boston where he took a train to connecticut. it's unclear who he is or what his role was. what is known, that train has been surouned and stopped. it is a very fluid situation. >> and at this point, because before we had an earlier report that the train, they searched the train and not found anybody and let the train go. that clearly is no

north africa. mali. we as a country have to contain them wherever they go.y're principal intent remains attacking this country. for that reason we have to do everything necessary to make sure al qaeda never gains a foothold any place on which to conduct those kinds of attacks. >> of course, you and the entire story immoortalized in the film "zero dark thirty." james gandolfini portrayed you. how accurate was that movie? >> maria, it's hollywood. and, you know, it's a good movie. but i think people have to understand that, you know, what took place in reality took ten years. a lot of teamwork between the intelligence agencies and the military agencies. and i'm afraid you can't really tell that story in a two-hour movie. >> james gandolfini portrayed you in the film. and he says that he apologized to you for how he looked and how he spoke. he was joking about it. what did you think? >> well, he -- he wrote me a nice note and we talked on the telephone. and he said, you know, because you're italian, i'm a little concerned about how you might react to the way i