for that story we go to north carolina. why north carolina? well, only a few years ago the rural population lived largely in the back country, far from the few main highways in what was called dirt road isolation. but then the people of north carolina decided on a bold rural roads program. let's see how this investment is paying off. you're now in a typical farm home in north carolina. it's morning and the family's day has begun. father and son are on their way. one to the farmer's market, the other to his factory job. daughter has a few seconds longer. everybody's on the move now. once life was lived pretty much around the farm, but now 21,000 miles of good secondary roads connect the farm to a wider world. the old dirt road isolation has ended. north carolina's children no longer trudge to the old one-room country schoolhouse. nearly everybody in the state lives close to good, new highways, like this one. and good highways mean a good school transportation system. good roads mean that children from scattered farms can be picked up at all out

in north carolina. when white came back on his search and rescue mission to fail he said two things. he said, i found this carving that says croatan. and croatan was the island 50 miles south. but he also said, and the planters were planning to move 50 miles into the main peers of 50 miles west into the mainland. and that is very site that they are digging now. and what sparked this is that in 2012, a very clever unc professor knows the patch on a map that john white drew. he was an incredible artist. if you have not seen his paintings i really recommend they have images of the algonquin people that he kept it very well. when the british museum they put this on a table, they look at this patch 50 miles west of roanoke island, they saw a fort. the image of a fort. you think they covered it up maybe it was a real estate development that didn't happen. but on top of the patch somebody noticed a very faint mark. and when they analyzed it they determined it was in fact invisible ink. made with urine. the com

or monuments that the ways in which african-americans and native americans have contributed to north carolinaso my vote wasn't against that. it was keeping consistent with the idea that those three statues should not be on the state capitol grounds. the capitol grounds that are for all of north carolinians. i thought if we voted to remove them, it would be an opportunity for us to rethink citizenship. because those monuments also were about abrogating the citizenship of african-americans , and by extension, other nonwhites. this isn't just about black and white. this is about how is it we're going to understand ourselves as full citizens of our state and of this country? amy: this is so significant. we were recently in bonn, germany, and there wasn't any discussion there about the fact that in german you don't see monuments to hitler's and the people say that is because we can't remember even the evil that he did. they say, they don't belong is memorials. in the united states, you have one flashpoint after another. two days ago you had the students taking down silent sam and last year the fla

as he is on the ground here in north carolina. ashley: stuart varney on the last issue, blake, he doesn't want to tap into it. reporter: he doesn't want to tap into it. ashley: he is all over it. blake, thank you very much. >>> coca-cola buying british coffee chain, costa, for $5 billion. it has 4,000 stores across 32 countries. it will allow coca-cola to expand overseas and provide serious competition to brands such as starbucks. shareholders vote on the plan next year. >>> former enron ceo jeffrey skilling is out of jail and in a halfway house now. skilling was convicted of various counts of fraud. enron was the world's biggest energy company before going bankrupt back in 2001. >>> funeral services underway in detroit for the late, great, aretha franklin. we'll have all the details next. >> they keep playing this clip. in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. looking good, patrick. i know. (vo) go national. go like a pro. for people as experienced as y

that balance looks a little bit more like north carolina's slightly reddish purple.ll get a majority of seats but not the super majority of seats, it dilutes a voters vote. the power when you're packing a certain number of particular parties of one district. >> the idea we would take the authority to draw these maps out of the hands of the people elected by the people strikes me as just a real distance from where we are and where we ought to be in this country. >> bret: this has to do with redrawing districts, this could be a big deal in carolina. >> several republican members of congress could be at risk under redrawing districts. republicans were redrawing district lines. it could push the election later, it's possible north carolina would not be prepared to hold its election on election day because of this court fight. the supreme court does not stay the decision about the vote go ahead with the current district lines. that means they could have the vote in late november, december even early next year. >> bret: if you have the balance of power in the house hanging

quickly, you're a north carolina native. of all, this map, twice they've thrown it out. why can't they redraw it? >> let's let the people vote at this point. we need to end the court challenges, we need to just let people vote. and -- we have a great delegation in north carolina. i'm biased. i'm fond of every one of our elected representatives. >> what are you supposed to think, a north carolina native -- >> i love this guy. i love the state, and i love the delegation. >> here's what we -- >> pound for pound, the best delegation in the house. >> we're reporters, every day news cycles, we want mississippi to decide the battle for the senate in an extended runoff, and the north carolina house races, decide who controls the house, decide election day exted the election day, keep it going. why not? there's a lot of crazy stuff that happened today. the president talking about violence. then there's the president in his odd relationship with mr. abe, the prime minister of japan. i think it's your wonderful newspaper, ruth that has

so north carolina got rid of sunday voting. the court asked, why did you get rid of sunday voting? the legislature said, some people are using it more than others. [laughter] ari: and the court said, ok, who was using it more than others? and the legislature said, counties that were predominately democratic and had large african-american populations. and the court said, you just admitted to us, in federal court, that you passed this law to try to disenfranchise people, based on their party, but even more significantly in the voting rights act based on their race. which is why they struck this law down. it was clear evidence after the supreme court said that discrimination was a thing of the past, of the very type of the discrimination that the voting rights act was passed to stop in the first place. the third thing that happened, distressing to me as a northerner, was voter suppression spread to the north. people think of it as a southern thing. that it is happening in southern mississippi, but not happening here or there. i spent the election of 2016 in wisconsin, one of the most

the was recorded at university of north carolina in north carolina. it is about 45 minutes. >> it is a real pleasure for me to be back in chapel hill. -- mike putzelt , spent eight years here as an undergraduate. it would have been longer but it was during the 1960's and that's all he remembers. but mike has brought me back here mean times. he's introduced me to some wonderful north carolina friends, whom we spend every labor day with at emerald isle. mike started his career in the raleigh bureau of the associated press and then he moved to the washington bureau where he spent many years as the white house a.p. chief correspondent. it's where i met him and it's where i met walter mears who has just recently moved to chapel hill with his wife fran and they're going to be adjunct professors at the journalism school here. so when peggy meyers asked me to speak i jumped at the opportunity, not just to please mike, not just to see walter and fran again, but also to thank bill ferris whom i went to see when i was in the middle of working on the book and tol

greensboro, north carolina is one of those places.talking to people and listening and learning, we hope we can better advance this cause and hope to mobilize people and expand other people's perspective about the types of gun violence. this is a wide movement and we are expanding every day. affects many people, in many communities, and have formed the idea that gun violence will not affect them. gun violence did not end. [applause] had the opportunity to go to and make friends in many communities, like the southside of chicago and inner city d.c. i walked about how around of the gates without a care in the world. they walk down the streets, learning from schools, not to look when they hear gunshots. now, every morning when i go to school, i do not only worry for my friends in school, but also from my friends in danger just getting to school. my biggest fear is that one day, one of my friends in those disproportionately affected communities will be killed. -- a scarier thought, i wonder if it did happen, with their faces even make it o

stay in north carolina. it's a great place. you don't have to go.se] i'm thrilled to be back in charlotte and the fact is that it's a very special place, so special, we chose it for the 2020 republican national convention. [applause] right? and had a lot of places wanted it. a lot of places want those things where some people come in and spend their money but charlotte has been a great place for us. and i actually have investments in charlotte. oh, that is conflict of interest. the fake news, that is a conflict. you know where my club is, trump national, very big success on lake norman. largest man-made lake in the world by far, right? the electric company, had to be more than man-made. that was made with a lot of money for a long time. just a few minutes i will sign an executive order to extend the incredible benefits of retirement savings accounts. such a big thing, to american workers, employed at small businesses all across our nation. as we head into labor day our nation pays its gratitude to the hard-working men and women who make our country

when i was in north carolina covering the trial i told you about, the law that was blocked with almost surgical precision, the lawyer for the state of carolina, who has now been nominated by donald trump to be a federal judge, by the way, got up and said, why does north carolina need 21 days of early voting, if new york doesn't have any? and i was sitting in the courtroom, and you know, as a northerner, i was offended. i wanted to say, how dear you southerners lecture us on voting rights? but then i had to admit, he kind of had a point. that we don't have early voting, and we are not being invoked by some of the worst states for voter suppression, as an excuse to do this kind of thing. that last time i talked in new york, i had a cheat sheet about all the laws that the states have that we don't have, luckily i found in my pocket right before i came here. , 37 states have early voting voting. has no early 27 states have no excused absentee ballots, you don't need a reason to get an absentee ballots. new york requires a reason under penalty of perjury to get an absentee ballot. 15 states

the president will be making comments in north carolina.ple of republican candidates in the tarheel state. jonathan serrie is in charlotte with the latest. >> president trump signed an executive order intended to make it easier for small businesses to provide retirement benefits for their employees. he was joined on stage by labor secretary alex acosta and small business administrator linda mcmahon. the idea is that by reducing regulatory barriers, small businesses will be able to pool resources and negotiate affordable workplace retirement saving plans, similar to those 401(k) plans offered by large corporations. >> today's historic action will provide new retirement security to countless american workers and their families. we believe all americans should be able to retire with the confidence, dignity and economic security that you want. >> from here, the president traveled to the caramel country club to help raise money for two republicans that face tough battles. ted bud, a first term congressman from north carolina's 13th district and

. >>> protesters on campus of university of north carolina pulling down a confederate statue known as silent sam. 250 protesters gathered at chapel hill peace plaza before marching to the base of the plaza. university officials called the toppling dangerous and said it was fortunate no one was hurt. one arrest was made. north carolina's governor said he understands people are frustrated by the pace of change, but no place for violent destruction of property. >>> check out this harrowing video. a father and son desperate to escape the forest fire in gla glacier national park in montana. driving down the harrowing road with no way out. >> easy. >> the car is heating up. it's going to explode. >> you're all right. >> oh, jesus, god. help us. >> slow it down. you're all right. slow it down so we can see. >> dad, what if a tree falls on us? please, god, help us. >> you're doing good. >> can you imagine? eventually they were stopped by a downed, burning tree in the road. justin had to reverse back to the trail head where they were lucky to flag down a boat and taken to safety by two park em

university of north carolina... cheers at the university of north carolina... as demonstrators tear down a statue of a co "silent sam" mem >>> a rally erupts in scheers at the -- cheers at the university of north carolina as demonstrators tear down a statue of a confederate statue. the statue was karts carted -- carted away this morning. it waa gift from the united daughters of the confederacy. it's the latest of more than 100 monuments to be demolished in a nd t legacy of slavery. >>> and an investment firm is paying for employees to send their breast milk home to babies. goldman sachs offered to pay to send milk home on work troip -- trips. they will deliver freezing kits to nursing employees and send the milk back to their babies for feedings. twitter and others are offering a similar service to their employees. >>> volkswagen is reportedly recalling 700,000 cars due to a roof lighting dwe effect. it affects these two plod ls. -- models. an cause a short circuit in the light strip and potentially set the car of fire. they were sold worldwide. >>> heads up ab

people say at least maybe from where i'm from -- might be north carolina, my wife is from north carolina. she tells me they say this as well in north carolina, mr. president. you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. and no matter what e.p.a. calls this proposal by the agency's own account, it doesn't achieve affordable energy or clean energy and it definitely doesn't address climate change. e.p.a.'s proposal which i think might more appropriately be called the dirty power plan is instead another step by this administration to dismantle our nation's environmental protections and protect polluters over the public. if i were -- the e.p.a.'s proposal to replace the clean power plan, i wouldn't give it an a. i would not give it a b, nor a c or a d. i might well give it an f, an f. and i take no joy in saying that. but that's the way you call balls and strikes. that's what i would call it. a friend of mine -- maybe you have a friend like this, too, mr. president -- but a friend of mine, when we ask him how he's doing, he sometimes responds with these words, compared to what? compare

quote, north carolina legislators are likely to ask the supreme court to step in. adding to the drama is the fact the supreme court has an even number of members. there are not nine members of the supreme court right now. there are eight because anthony kennedy has retired. but if this north carolina case about congress is going to the supreme court, and again, this might have national implications for who gets congress overall. this is something the supreme court will have to decide very, very quickly. if they're getting new congressional districts in time for november, any ruling on this has to happen like, now. so that is a very, very dramatic development with big national implications. tonight we do not know how this will shake out but you should expect fast moving litigation and a little bit of a party politics freakout on both sides about that north carolina ruling tonight. everybody knew this was within the realm of possibility in terms of the ruling. the idea that the congressional districts have to be redrawn now, two and a half months before voting. i'm n

the outskirts of raleigh, north carolina.ere because of the 911 call from this place on birchleaf drive. >> i think my sister's dead. >> tell any what happened, ma'am. >> i have no idea. oh, my god. >> the caller was meredith fisher. she had just discovered on the floor of the master bedroom the savagely beaten body of her elder sister, 29-year-old michelle young, a woman who in death was about to be famous. >> listen to me, ma'am. >> yeah, i'm here. >> i'm going to tell you what to do. you need to calm down so you can help us. with you said there's blood everywhere? >> yes. >> listen to me, ma'am. >> i'm listening. >> is she breathing? >> i don't think so. >> have you checked? >> michelle? she's cold. >> okay. >> as she spoke, meredith was cradling her 2 1/2-year-old niece, cassidy, who crawled out from under the bedclothes on her parents' bed feet from where her mother lay. cassidy's voice, chattering to her aunt, was caught on recorded call. had cassidy witnessed the murder or wakened alone to find this? >> you just pictur

that did not stop prosecutor in north carolina from charging a dozen people with voting illegally in6 presidential election. keith seller is one of those dozen people. he joins me now and so is mr. seller's lawyer, miss carpenter. what happened to you and did you know you were committing a crime? >> first off, i did not know. i have not been briefed or educated on it. i didn't know. what happened to me i was kind of like just freely trying to abide by the urgency. i feel like i got stepped on. i didn't know the law. i didn't think it was important to read the fine print when i was on probation, i was kind of stricken being on probation most times against the wall situations, us as felons or getting sentenced, we just want the paper work over. >> how did you find out that you had broken the law? >> um -- i was on the side of the street and kind of really breathing in and inhaled in, i guess, i was surrounded by two officers and my daughter was in the median in the car, we got stopped and they advised me that i had a warrant for my arrest for illegal voting. i had talked to second in c

she was the first african american woman to represent north carolina in congress. up next, ms. clayton talked about serving as the congressional freshman class president, her assignment to the agriculture committee, and her focus on national hunger and nutrition legislation. the u.s. house of representatives office of the historian conducted this interview. it is about two hours. mattasniewski: i am wa

gabe gutierrez, nbc news chapel hill, north carolina. tl you about this tuesday night. breaking her silence. what a key figure in the #metoo movement is saying about anthony bourdain and the hush payments made to her accuser. >>> tonight, one of the key figures in the "#metoo" movement is breaking her silence after being accused of a sexual assault with a minor. she's denying her allegations and saying her late boyfriend, anthony bourdain paid off her accuser to avoid negative publicity. >> reporter: assio says they were just friends. her first response to allegations she sexually assaulted a 17-year-old minor in a california hotel room five years ago. writing to journalist, i am deeply shocked and hurt by having read news that is absolutely false. i have never had any sexual relationship with jimmie bennett. the accusation first surfaced in a "new york times" article on sunday. the paper says argento did not respond to requests for comment for days. today, she admitted there was a payment to bennett and it was r th boyfriend, urdain who made it. she writes, anthony bou

he just won florida, just one north carolina. he just won south carolina. that was something. was that an exciting night? one of the worlds most. you know they kept saying the state of texas which every rally i went to us like this and by the way do you think this is a big crowd? go outside and take a look. go outside.

was and a rally in charlottesville, virginia was killed. >> i think it's disgrace as part of north carolina history. >> reporter: "silent sam" may have been silenced but the monumental debate is anything but quiet. , gabe gutierrc news chapel hill, north carolina. >>> we have a lot more to tell you about this tuesday night. breaking her silence. what a key figurin the #metoo movement is saying about anthony bourdain and the hush payments made to her accuser. ah! nooooo... noooooo... nooooo... quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and is 2x more absorbent than the leading ordinary brand. ahoy! (laughing) bounty, the quicker picker upper. (nathan) secondhand smoke caused measthma attacks, infections and lung damage. and i never smoked. (announcer) if you or someone you know wants free help to quit smoking, call 1-800-quit-now. little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats moderate to severe plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla . it

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she left fayetteville, north carolina, without a trace.with her yet, but would they be able to track her down? hear what the conclusion of deadly ambush. >> federal prison, doing time doesn't come much harder than it does here. this is where john diamond was serving a life sentence for murdering air force captain marty fear. but his former lover, michelle seemed to have dropped right out of sight. where was she? people weren't seeing her around fayetteville. the d.a. meanwhile was convinced she must have conspired with john diamond to kill her husband. she was the brain, he was the brawn or in this case, the shooter though it was all circumstantial it was persuasive. >> i don't think there was any question as to who was involved, diamond and her together mpl. >> the evidence, a life insurance, the affair, the access to a murder weapon, those e-mails, the coverup, taken together it was enough to convince a grand jury and finally in may of 2002, nearly 18 months since her husband was killed, michelle theer was indicted for first degree murde

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dr jiang from the university of north carolina. or italy is mourning the victims of the genoa bridge disaster that killed at least thirty eight people present such a matter now the prime ministers have become say will attend a state funeral for many of the victims tomorrow a funeral was held in naples today for four friends in their twenty's who died as they were driving to vacation in france from spain the founders didn't want to take part in saturday's seventy it's obvious transport ministry has opened an investigation into the bridge collapse but that might not be enough to placate an angry public as the w.c. all of telson pill reports from general. this is a scene replicated across this region. nestled in mountains in the shadow of towering concrete structures living in one such home as retired construction worker johnny has been here for thirty years for him the branch had long just been part of the scenery but now he's looking at it very differently. i am a little more worried but first i thought they would have closed tempor

mike is joining us from north carolina. tell us your story. good morning.e will try eric in atlanta. good morning. caller: hello? host: go ahead, eric. caller: my situation is i recently lost a job. i was making steel parts. this is a fake -- why don't you show some of trump's statements about the unemployment rate when obama was president? during the reagan administration, we had one that wasobs created -- the amnesty part. the unemployment rate went up this month. administrationan , they grew the deficit to over $4 trillion. those were state jobs that were created. there were people working illegally and they give them a social security number. why don't you show donald trump's statements that were made when obama was president that this was a fake unemployment rate? larry kudlow doesn't know what he's talking about. to be a tvd announcer to tell you lies. the black unemployment rate went up to 6.1%. we have the highest unemployment rate. if it were that high for any other group of people, it would be a recession. host: eric from atlanta, georgia. our pho

palmer in north carolina, mr. palmer said to me that on the day after integration, i went to my office and my for my records records of the north carolina teachers and education association were gone. mr. palmer was trying to contact dr. tate to get his records so mr. palmer could write his own story. in this moment when black records were being destroyed, horace tate paid somebody -- who knows who -- to take these organizational records, put them as far away from prying white eyes as possible, and there they stayed. during some of the time that i would talk to dr. tate, i said, you know, these stories you are telling, these are amazing. i said, do you have any documents to support this? you know what he said? i guess you will find something. [laughter] professor walker: and so i did. what did i find? years to figure it out. i would not have been in the gifted and talented class. [laughter] professor walker: took me 18 years to figure this out, but what i found hidden in plain sight where the activities of black e

. >> we mentioned, too, the other big news here, north carolina, federal court they're ruling for the, state's congressional map must be redrawn, saying it unfairly favors republican candidates, jer jer jerry -- jury-mandering. an election to be held sometime perhaps in january before the new congress is seated. tds expect to be appealed to the u.s. supreme court. they have ten of the 13 congressional seats there. nick, this sets up -- i think there's three or four right now the way it's currently constituted, three or four republican seats that north carolina could come into play this november. we saw this in pennsylvania earlier this year. they blew up the map. the number of targets expanded for democrats, the number of targets they had became riper targets. you saw that as well. there's the potential for north carolina, too, backdrop of democrats needing only 23 nationally. >> late-season bonus for democrats if it actually happens. possible it won't. but if, in fact, they're redrawn and used for the fall campaign, it gives democrats an extra pickup. we're seeing pushback in north c

last week spike was in wrightsville beach, north carolina for fun in the sun.playground and noticed the liberty swing. it was let children in wheelchairs to safely enjoy swinging. to get more info, go to foxnews.com/the daily spike. for years, one south carolina mom has had a habit of texting her son every day at lunch time to see if he's sitting with friends. usually he texts back now. he was born to a crack-addicted mother. this year, the student council invited him to sit with them. >> he couldn't get in the car quick enough to say he didn't eat by himself. i said andrew, that makes me feel happy. >> the good news is, andrew has been invited to keep sitting with them going forward. thanks for joining us. i'm ed henry. here's trace gallagher in for shep. >> another guilty plea and another witness cooperating with the special counsel. now president trump calling the russia investigation illegal. he says he will keep attorney general jeff sessions around for now, but he's threatening again to get involved in the justice department. the president also defending

amamy:nd wee go to north carolin wherststuden at t thuniverersity of north carolina ha toppled the "silent sa confedete statue [cheers] amy: we will sakak with unc doctoral student maya lilele who was at monday's ppling. she was arrested earlier ththis year for dousing the confederate memorial with red paint and her own blood. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. guilty. president trump's lawyer and campaign chair, president trump's longtime personal lawyer and fixer michael cohen has to eight criminal charges, including tax evasion, bank fraud and campaign finance violations. cohen admitted in court that trump had directed him to pay off two women, adult film star stormy daniels and playboy model karen mcdougal, to keep them quiet during the 2016 campaign. cohen's lawyer lanny davis wrote on twitter -- "if those payments were a crime for michael cohen, then why wouldn't they be a crime for donald trump?" davis then appeared on msnbc and said cohen is willing to speak with special counsel robert mueller about

fairly significant across america were located in north carolina. but i knew my district so that's the reason i went agriculture. by the way, once i won the runoff in the primary, the north carolina commissioner came to me and said about your district, if you serve on the agriculture. as if you need to me what to do. but anyway, i did serve on the agriculture. it was actually right. and in his way, he was really -- i think he was really begging when i understand what he was doing. because i think he -- and he might have been right. i might have chosen education rather than agriculture. because i'm more bringing people up education wise and small business. but the realization that my district really needed someone in agriculture. as i said -- on agriculture i learned a lot. and by the way, agriculture was an old boy's culture. when i went there, there was one woman. i remember her to this day. yes. sheila thompson. she was there for four years and then became the assistant secretary for agriculture and then i think cynthia mckinney came, other women

it's because this is happening in a command that i have a number of years ago at fort bragg, north carolina. the major general, major general sontag that is committing this command is dead wrong, because he either doesn't know the army regulations and he doesn't know about liberty and he doesn't know what the department of justice just published in the last two weeks as a memorandum on what's expected of executive branch personnel. he apparently doesn't know any of that because he's dead wrong with what he's doing. we have had a coalition, very open coalition, called restore military religious freedom and it's a lot of groups in america that are really concerned about religious liberties of young men and women. i will tell you, we are going all the way. as far as we have to go on this to help protect captain squires, but it's also his assistant chaplain as well. and we will do what we can to protect him. >> shannon: keep us updated on the case. after that ups your credit with

she was with the president in her home state of north carolina. linda, great to see you. very much for being here. let me start by mentioning a stat i wasn't aware, i kind of assume it is true, half of all americans are worried they will not have enough money saved for retirement. you have a plan, and president has a plan, that he is pushing of yours, to make it easier for small businesses to offer retirement plans. how does it work? >> well, i can tell you, david, it is going to work really well, i believe. for the first time, you know, small businesses will be able to pool their resources, and form an association to develop these 401(k)-type plans. the benefit for that is, that it will really increase the buying pool. and bring down costs. so, for small business employers to be able to enter into these pools, they can do what they tell us. what they told me, as i traveled around the country, they can't afford to put these kind of plans in place. all businesses that i talk to, want to provide benefits for their employees. a couple weeks ago we were talking about associat