was that north carolina? is your regulars were neither formally sanctioned by the confederate government nor brought into the formal command structure. so what that meant was they did what they wanted and as a result, these men simply formed a guerrilla bands operating outside official military command and control. and they were guerrilla companies that happened to be confederate in loyalty. in effect, these bands created a problem for the richmond government. these became uncontrollable in no man's land region of the coast. the region back and forth between the confederate regular and the union regular army. during the war not responding command and control by the confederate military or the confederate government, preferring to wage their own private against local citizens. this is where the civil war really became uncivil. it was very personal. it was highly localized. it was neighbor against neighbor. it was you knew. it's as local you could get. and perhaps the most difficult irregular war to isolate for

ladies and gentlemen, the honorable roy cooper, governor of north carolina carolina. well, mr. speaker, elected officials, distinguished family, loved ones of the reverend billy graham, i bring greetings from the state of carolina. it is such an honor to be with you on this special day. and as i'm sure many of you here already know, it is all an honor every day to be from the great state of north carolina. our state has given this nation its first flight, its first public university, its rich farmland, its best college basketball, even its first declaration of freedom. with the halifax results today, north carolina gives the nation a symbol representing, one of our dearest treasures, the reverend billy graham, a man of faith, a man of north carolina, the the reverend graham was known as a minister to millions as the pastor to presidents. a selfless man of god who lived out calling by preaching and teaching across the world, always returning to his beloved home in the blue ridge mountains of north carolina, for respite. then return again to worldwide ministry. i'll never forget

so north carolina, i think it is clear. if donald trump were to win in november, he will continue to sell out working families. he will continue to attack reproductive freedom. and he will continue to undermine our democracy. ultimately in this election, we each face a question. and this here in lies our power. the question we face is what kind of country do we want to live in? do we want to live in a country of freedom, compassion, and rule of law? or a country of chaos, fear, and hate? we each have the power to answer this question. so today then i ask, north carolina, are you ready to make your voices heard? do we believe in freedom? do we believe in opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it ? and when we fight, we win! god bless you, and god bless the united states of america. [cheers and applause] crowd: four more years! announcer: today, the republican national convention concludes in milwaukee with former president donald trump officially accepting the republican party's p

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eastern part of rowan county, which at the time was this enormous county in western north, the north carolina backcountry at the time, the spurgeon arrived, there was the fastest growing in the fastest growing colony in british north america. so of people were going there. and jane and her family prospered in north carolina. within a few, william acquired roughly 700 acres of land, which was more than three times what he had owned in maryland and virginia, where land a lot more expensive. their family grew by 76. jane had given birth to 11, surviving, and there was probably a miscarriage or a stillbirth sandwiched in there somewhere as well. the spurgeon also became stalwart members of a thriving abbotts creek baptist church community, although when they had lived in maryland, they had worshiped at the local anglican church, the of england most impressive of all, though, was the fact that in 1764, less than a decade after he arrived in north carolina, william spurgeon got himself appointed as one of rowan county's justices of the peace, which made him one of the leading men in the county. now

arrived in north carolina. thank you. >> thank you for that and thank you to the bipartisan infrastructure law, north carolina received seven core door i.d. awards last year, how do you anticipate the funding improving north carolina's ability to invest in and accelerate the development of passenger rail in our state? >> corridor i.d. is really important because community needs, as stephen had said, the community needs to understand what a project will cost, the corridor i.d. unlocks $5000 worth of planning funds so we can work with communities to define what the service outcomes art they would like to see and what the infrastructure investments will be needed to make that happen. which each of our communities admitted to the corridor i.d. program, we are meeting with them to understand what is the kind of service outcomes they would like to see, what is the match they will need, at what time in this process i would give this is an example meeting with the community of fayetteville recently, they are very excit

last known address was in a small north carolina community in western north carolina called marble, northolina. jim russell: we were just pretty much upset that that information was now being broadcast to the general public. shortly after the name became available and was announced, they assumed that he was going to flee at that point. again, this is a material witness warrant and no one should jump to any conclusions about the fact that we are looking to question mr. rudolph. we talked to randy and said we need to get in touch with eric rudolph. do you have any idea where he's at? he said my thought is he's somewhere in western cherokee county, out near the city of murphy, north carolina. as soon as he said that, got on the phone with the sheriff of cherokee county and asked him to run a public records check on eric rudolph, if he's ever been arrested out there. sheriff said, yes, i've got an eric rudolph. he's never been in any of our arrest records, but he's getting power on a trailer that's located off a caney creek road, which is located west of murphy, north carolina. that the bombe

and stronger north carolina.division. it is hate, it is violence. it's about fighting job-killing culture wars that will set our state backwards, so we have to work hard. i wish the election were not as close as it is. north carolina is a very politically competitive state so we are going to be fighting to the wire to defeat this man. i believe that we will, but we have to continue building our grassroots campaign and the folks want to learn more and help, go to josh stein.org. >> let's president harris is going to your state tomorrow. the latest poll in north carolina, which donald trump won last time, shows trumpet 46, biden at 43. that is after the debate, last week on july 4th. that is actually an encouraging poll for the biden campaign in north carolina. >> the biden-harris team lost north carolina only by 1.3% in 2020. it was the closest margin of any state that biden lost, and so they are here. they are fully engaged in trying to win north carolina, and we are going to work hard to try to keep this state -

president trump arriving there in north carolina. stocks meantime today had their worst day since 2022 as big tech dragged the market down following profit reports from tesla and alphabet. the dow plunging 4504. the s&p 500 dropped 129. the nasdaq fell 655 today. let's take it full, former president trump speaking at a rally in charlotte, north carolina. now, you can see this rally is packed. there is lots and lots of people. remember, just this week the secret service recommended to the trump campaign that this not be outside and every rally now takes on a different perspective after what happened in butler, pennsylvania. he has a smaller bandage on his ear he says is he ready to keep these rallies going, as many as possible because of the thousands and thousands of people who show up to see him as you seed lee greenwood song introing him in charlotte, north carolina. a state he won by 1.3% in 2020 and one that could be contested, especially if kamala harris picks north carolina governor roy cooper as a possible vp contender. one of

what is at stake for north carolina in this campaign?rth carolina could not be higher. everything is on the line. our freedoms are on the line. hep wants to slash public school funding. he wants to make it harder for people to vote. he wants a total ban on abortion without any exceptions. not for the life of the mother, not for rape, not for insist. the people of north carolina have a clear choice between two visions ours is forward looking and welcoming. it's about fighting for people and tapping their potential so that we can build a safer and stronger north carolina. you just heard mark robinson's vision. it's division, it's hate. it's violence, it's about fighting job killing culture wars that will set our state backward. so we have to work hard, i wish the election were not as close as it is. north carolina is a very politically competitive state. so we're going to be fighting to the wire to defeat this man: i believe we will. but we have to continue building our grass roots campaign and if folks want to learn more and help go to jo

few ople know this commuty is north carolina as well as you do. thank you for your support. be e m proud to be joineby the mayor. you know how to build a consensus and keep wilminon ving forward. i appreciate y being here 6 greato be ba in north carolina. from fort lejeune and ma other places. i've been honored to learn from you and shine a light on your sties. is is a special community and you all help keep it strong. four years ago joe went from being a militaryather to being commander in chief. 's a responsibity he stepped in with pride. because as joe reminds everyo anchance he gets, our u.s. military is t finest fighti military force in the history of the world. all the obligations joe has shouldered, he's the on truly oneacred obligation is to prepare those we send in harm's way and to care for their families when they come home. joe knows military spouses and children may not wear the uniform but they serve our untry, too. that's why he signed an execute ordeto mak sur that military suses c build the careers thewant f themselves. and he has improved child care and men

thank you, north carolina. thank you very much.eers and applause] [cheers and applause] ♪♪ [cheers and applause] ♪♪ [cheers and applause] ♪♪ >> o satuayformer president and 2024 presidential candidate donald trump speaks to voters at a campaignal in st. cloud, miesa. watch the eventiv at 8 p.m. eastern on c-span. c-span now, our fe mobile video app or online at c-span.org. c-span is your unfiltered view of government. we're funded by these television companies and more, including comcast. >> do you think this is just a community center? no, it's way more than that. >> comcast is partnering with a thousand community centers to create wi-fi enabled so students from low income families can get the tools they need for anything. >> comcast sports c-span as a public service along with other television providers giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> we take you live now to the u.s. capitol where the senate is ready to gavel in. today lawmakers are considering more of president biden's judicial nominees to the u.s. tax court and als

the gentlelady from north carolina. ms. foxx: i yield one minute to the gentlewoman from new york, ms. tenney. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized. ms. tenney: thank you, madam speaker and to chairman foxx for leading this. as a high school athlete and beyond, i know the unparalleled way sports helps. today these opportunities for women and girls are under threat. joe biden's department of education is requiring that schools allow biological males to participate in women's sports. this is fundamentally unfair and deprives women and girls for what so many of us fought for decades to achieve, equal opportunity to train, compete, and excel in athletics. today we take a stand in defense of women sports and to stop this dangerous precedent. this is why i am honored to be an original co-sponsor of this congressional review act to overturn the biden administration's radical rule to allow biological men in women's sports. the c.r.a. will protect opportunities for women and girls to compete fairly on the athletic f

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he said it to hundreds of supporters in north carolina. so i would disagree that he didn't take this head-on. he did. he talked about it in front of supporters. >> [indiscernible] >> by the way, that matters. engaging with the american people and standing in front of them and being honest about that and talking about age. again, something that you all asked me about all the time. he took that right on. he is talking and engaging with leaders. that is something he is doing. he is having good conversations with them. he will meet with democratic governors, governors who he believes have been really strong partners with him, delivering some of these historic accomplishments. i would disagree on him not taking this head-on. being in north carolina and taking that head-on, obviously, that was not the speech he was going to give on thursday before the debate. he understood when he got to north carolina, that he needed to address it, and he decided to do it in front of supporters. he talked about. i will go to the back. >> polling this week shows

and i haven't lived in north carolina very as the couple of years. so you could speak to the native nations that are here and within north carolina. um, to those who also may not know much about them. right. i'm really glad you ask that. i've sort of had to say, except for state recognized a couple of times, i get myself rescued from that. so the eastern band of cherokee is the only federally recognized tribe that's based in north carolina. the others are state recognized tribes. and so one of the chapters, one of the actually the first chapter i have in here that has europeans it that europeans are in the whole chapter is the founding the brief founding of roanoke on the north carolina coasts. and so ancestors of many of north carolina's native nations today are in that chapter, um, sort of in this very, um, brief interaction with the english who tried to found a, uh, a colony at roanoke and failed, obviously. and so then i do talk in the book about north carolina state recognized tribes over the, um over their centuries of history since then. and,

as she was campaigning in fayetteville, north carolina.and the newly minted vice presidential nominee, governor j.d. vance as he made his first stop in milwaukee. next, appearances from vice president harris and senator vance. senator vance: thank you all. thank you all. thank you all so much. thank you for ralph for having me. when you invited me to this a couple of weeks ago, i was thinking to myself i would love to come, but i have no idea what i'm going to be doing on thursday morning. i'm glad to that this thing worked out and i'm glad they was able to dom this breakfast because it's good to be here among people of faith and supporters and people who have been very good me over the years. i can't possibly shout every out. i saw secretary carson, rob johnson and bernie marino who will be the next united states senator from the state of ohio. [applause] but i thought whey would do this morning is just talk a little bit about how i think about my faith and my own faith journey so you understand me a little bit better. how i think about h

i'll just say era, charlotte, north carolina. maybe until like you and jimmy lie will be spending more time in jail before going on trial in november on the home cones national security laws, the 76 year old last is cool bit on thursday to get additional charges. drills, accusations revolves around who's supposed to be 2019 pro democracy protests and criticize criticism of chinese leadership. found that the now shock, apple, daily newspaper has been in prison since 2020 us officials in john say that overwhelms by the influx of 2 and a half 1000000 refugees of a hoff with them fleeing the conflict. and so you don't, a to z say they're running out of money and supplies, and interest reports from audrey on the border between child a suit on an open is cool. you know you in run refugee camp at least a child. the suit and his refugee children searching for an english language exam have no access to the local school. champions, have welcomed refugees from sudan for over 20 years, taking in more than 1200000, but with facilities and soc

jessica. >> let's turn now to a democrat who represents north carolina congressman wiley nickel. congressman, so much for joining us this afternoon. i know you're not seeking reelection when you announce that decision last year, you said you'd quote, be working to elect north carolina democrats up and down the valid in this election year 2024. i'm curious if you think president biden is the best person at the top of the ticket for that jessica joe biden's our democratic nominee. >> we're going to do everything we can to make sure we beat donald trump we've got an really important race for governor as well with joshstein taking on maga extremist republican mark robinson vinson. a lot on the line in this election. and my focus is just making the case for why joe biden should deserve a second term. and talking about the good things and he's especially as we contrast that with donald trump, who wants to ban abortion with no exceptions give massive tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy that's not going to help the folks that i represent and i know your focus, as i said, i'm gettin

strong winds and currents pushed them 2,000 feet from the shore of oak island, north carolina.hole time, thanks to the deployment of a drone. within a few minutes, they were safely aboard a rescue boat. the fire department here in oak island is one of a few in the country using this kind of technology for ocean rescues. sean barry is a firefighter turned drone pilot. >> so this drone is capable of flying in all types of weather and environments. >> reporter: it's equipped with a camera that can switch between modes, including infrared, to spot people in distress. responders can communicate instructions through a speaker, and just as important is its ability to carry life-preserving equipment. >> this is triggered by a co2 cartridge and has a triggering device that's activated by the intrusion of water, and as soon as it's activated, it inflates. >> reporter: here's a real-life example. after a 911 call from shore, the drone went up and spotted the swimmer in distress. you can see the moment one cartridge was released, and then another, giving him two floating tubes until help a

he said it himself to hundreds of supporters in north carolina. so i would disagree that he didn't take this head on. he did. he did. he talked about it in front of supporters. >> he's had one instance with that and he's called six people by your count. >> by weight, that matters. >> engaging with the american people and standing in front of them and being honest about that. and talking about age. again, something that you all ask me about all the time, he took that right on. now, he is talking and engaging with leaders, something that he is doing, he's having good conversations with them. he's going to meet with democratic governors, governors who he believes have been really strong partners him in delivering on some of these historic accomplishments. i would, you know, disagree on him not taking this head on. being in north carolina and taking that head on, obviously that's not the speech that he was going to give on thursday, right? before the debate. so he understood when he got to north carolina, he needed to address it, and he decided to do

now north carolina's you're seeing north carolina is was the closest state that joe biden lost to donaldwould roy cooper the retiring governed in north carolina? let democrats go on offense in a state that republicans have been winning, that might be attractive now, one face on this list right here not like the others, and that's andy beshear, the governor of kentucky paqui kentucky is a state that donald trump just crush joe biden last time, 25 points. so if you're picking andy beshear in kentucky, you're not doing it for electoral math. you're doing it for other reasons and thanks so much jake, back to you all right. let's discuss with my panel and dana, we're getting some brand new reporting about the hours before president biden made his decision and the data that his top aides showed him tell us more about that au interesting, this is from our colleague, phil mattingly, who is reporting that the two closest allies and aides almost like family to joe biden, you probably a great mike donilon and steve richetti were with the president in on saturday and gave him information that basica

trump holds a rally in north carolina tonight with security tighter than ever. more secret service and law enforcement agents on scene. plus, a roof over the candidate's head. there will be no more outdoor rallies this year, campaign sources tell nbc news. the trump campaign has seen a surge of enthusiasm since the attempted assassination now gearing up to take on vice president kamala harris. >> we officially defeated the worst president in the history of our country. [ cheers and applause ] crooked joe biden. >> reporter: campaign sources say the former president claims to keep attacks on biden front and center and tie harris to her boss' record on issues like immigration and inflation. >> she'll destroy our country if she's elected, so we won't let her be elected. we can't let that happen. >> reporter: mr. trump boasting to reporters tuesday, she'll be easier than mr. biden to defeat. >> she's the same as biden but much more radical. she's a radical left person, and this country doesn't want a radical left person to destroy it. >> reporter: and saying he'd be

in fact, the democrats haven't taken north carolina since of pharma and 2008. what it tells me is that when the republicans have one here, it is seen with very small margins of victory. and that's why, despite such an obvious, huge show of support for donald trump, the democrats still feel confident that based on the chance the state has a democratic governor, really cooper. he is widely believed to be a couple of hours, a short list of possible running mates. trump often talks about his piece, making credentials. he did here. i will prevent world war 3 wedding to world war 3 . we're headed right into the piece of it because we have stupid people representing us. that's why this vote to is backing him. do you actually have a better image internationally then why the democratic this riley was held in doors. it is reported that most future trump ones will be 2 after that attempt on his life, but the crowd will still come of the attacks against team harris to thank you to fill out a 0, charlotte, north carolina. the is there any prime minister benjamin netanyahu h

now, north carolina's interesting, north carolina is, was the closest state that joe biden lost to donald trump from would roy cooper, the retiring govern in north carolina. let democrats go on offense in a state that republicans had been winning, that might be attractive. now, one face on this list right here, not like the others, and that's andy beshear, the governor of kentucky. kentucky is a state that donald trump just crush joe biden last time, 25 by points. so if you're picking andy beshear in kentucky, you're not doing it for electoral math. you're doing it for other reasons i remember when. >> thanks so much, jake, back to you all right. >> let's discuss with my panel and dana, we're getting some brand-new reporting about the hours before president biden made his decision and the data that his top aides showed him tell us more about that au interesting, this this is from our colleague phil mattingly, who is reporting that the two closest allies and aides, almost like family to joe biden, you probably agree mike donilon and steve rachetti were with the president in on saturday and

governor of north carolina.her who beat my mother. i would love to tell you i graduated from high school and found success, but i cannot. i lost two in factoring jobs which joe biden voted for. politicians in d.c. made that decision, people like me suffered. i lost my car in my house, i was desperate. a couple of months ago i stopped at a gas station and a man walked out and looked very stressed. i could see him holding in envelope. my heart dropped because years ago i held one like it, bankruptcy papers. i could see the fear on his face. i had that same experience. under joe biden prices have skyrocketed. in north carolina factories are closing leaving families feeling hopeless but there is hope. my wife and i never gave up, we kept our faith, we worked hard and made it through those tough times. now i stand before you on the verge of becoming the first black governor in north carolina. as governor i will not forget where i came from or the struggles of the people and there is someone else who will fight just a

[applause] >> good afternoon, north carolina! oh, it's good be back.t's good to be back and i want to thank kelly for your work and for your family and all that you've given to our country in service. and it is so good to be back with so many incredible leaders. [cheers and applause] including my dear friend roy cooper. [applause] you know, roy and i served together when i whiz attorney general in california and he was attorney general in north carolina. i've known him for two decades. and he's an ex-tory nair leader. i want to thank the extraordinary leaders to our service members and their family who are here with us this afternoon. thank you all. [cheers and applause] you know, one o my greatest honors as vice president is to meet with our service members around the world. i have met with armed service members from nato's eastern flank to the korean d.m.z. and from arizona to florida. and i will tell you what everybody here knows, all our service members possess an extraordinary, skilled, disciplined, dedication and love of country. and i know their

a significant risk for flooding, much of north carolina, south carolina, and georgia. i want to quickly talk about the heat, but also, the air quality. places like billings, montana, could see records today and tomorrow, but david, denver had some of the worst air quality in the whole word. david? >> david: ginger, thank you. >>> to the economies today. the markets down. the tech-heavy nasdaq falling 6.4%. the worst day since october 2022. the dow and s&p also sharply down. tesla shares fell more than 12%. alphabet, google's parent company, lost 5%. >>> when we come back here, the horrific crash on i-95 in the east. two tractor trailers, two vehicles. at least five people killed. >>> and the sharks in the waters right off new york city. so tell me about your heart attack. our heart attack was... scary! never want to go through that again. but we could. with heart disease, you never know. so we made changes. green juice. yeah, not a fan. diet, exercise... statins helped. but our ldl-c (bad cholesterol)-it was stuck! stuck! just couldn't lower it enough. and high ldl-c m

kelly is serving a lengthy sentence in a prison in north carolina. now, back in 2022 he was charged and convicted for child pornography and enticing a minor and he was sentenced to 20 years. now, when he was sentenced to 20 years he had already been convicted to 30 years for other crimes in new york, will now his attorney is saying that this should all be barred by the statute of limitations and let me tell you why. back in 2003, there was a new law that was passed by congress. it's called the protect act. and what this does is it essentially eliminates the statute of limitations for sex crimes involving myers will now r. kelly's attorney is saying that since this conduct of that r. kelly committed happened in the 90s, that was before 2003 when the protect act was passed. so she is saying that you should not be able to charge i'm convict someone if this was before 2003. now, i reached out to our kelly's attorney, jennifer bonjean. here's what she tells me, kate, she says, quote, laws are generally applied prospectively. the 2003 amendments that expan

when he got to north carolina and he needed to address. and he needed to do it in front of supporters. i will go to the back. >> polling this week shows the president looming so mike losing more ground in the american eyes for immigration and foreign policies so does that with anything else diminish the president as these leaders are coming in? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. i said this months ago when i was answering a question for one of your colleagues. these foreign leaders has seen the president personally come up close for the past three years, they have talked about his leadership, they have committed his leadership, they have been proud to see him as the president of the united states after what they experienced in the last administration. some of them have even been quoted about what the president has been able to do during his past three years. german chancellor scholz i think joe biden is someone with very clear who knows exactly what he is doing and who is one of the most experienced politicians in the world especially

nbc's marissa parra reporting from battleground, north carolina. also joining us, former communications director for vice president kamala harris. ashley, and basil smikle is also back with us. kelly, we've had a lot of folks coming out supporting vice president kamala harris for president. it was actually on the air here on msnbc yesterday with the reverend al that hakeem jeffries wouldn't quite answer that question. nancy pelosi has put into context the importance of kamala harris to have the biggest names in the democratic party getting behind her. >> this is a day for trying to consolidate support to get a sense of where the party is, and in some cases when you have prominent democrats who do not immediately endorse, it is in part because they want to let the process play out. at times they want to take a position of making certain they don't get ahead of the party or to have it look like there is a pre-baked conclusion, if there is a desire among the party to have some kind of open convention. that's still being talked about in some small circ