north dakota north dakota. it's astonishing what has happened. we are eventually going to be energy independent and now it's making it to the front pages. it's an amazing change here in the united states and i think it's a paradime shift. >> these solar names will it take the wind out of the sails of solar? >> i am much more a proponent of crude oil. the amount of tax dollars that we have spent to try to support wind and solar makes no sense to me. if crude oil makes its way lower, i think it spells the demise of the solar energy phenomenon. >> if it's not a ka nar ree in the coal mine, can it be a boost? >> you get the consumer that is going to help. the ones that are performing best here, look at coal and -- look at the steel space. look at walter energy and cleveland cliffs. these have been massive trades for the past couple of months. a lot of the miners have been priced like their balance sheets. walter energy is a great example of that. these are trades you can stay in. coal demand globally is still growing. >> you can see manufacturing come back to the united states in a significant way and that was just unimaginable. a very short time ago. that would obviously be very good. >> we have been on the steel names. i think he came out and made comments about the steel. they are going to be very late and wrong. this has had a big run. here is where i would absolutely be taking profits. i think you can see this thing trade back down. >> we're going to stick with energy and get a market flash. check in with domonic. both mauving in the afterhours session. the company produced higher volumes of oil and natural gas from its north american shale business. it was lower than the street was expecting. it beat street views in earnings and sales. you can see it's heading higher. >> all right. thanks very much. >> marathon is the one that you will watch for. you talked about libya. marathon has the exposure there. chart looks great. lots of momentum. i would be concerned if oil keeps falling. >> yet another crazy chapter. what's next for the hand set make sner traders give you the play book. plus have tl has been big returns and small caps. why one is raising red flags on the russel 2,000 and how you should trade it right now. our call of the day. that's next. before global opportunities were part of their investment strategy... before they funded scholarships to the schools that gave them scholarships... before they planned for their parents' future needs and their son's future... they chose a partner to help manage their wealth, one whose insights, solutions and approach have been relied on for over 200 years. that

north dakota. north dakota was once described by one of our favorite sons, the famous cbs news man, as a rectangular blank spot in the nation's mind. but today everybody's talking about north dakota. fastest growing economy in the world. the lowest unemployment rate in the country. fastest growing personal income. in fact, today, mr. speaker, tens of thousands of high-paying jobs in north dakota, waiting for more people to come to the state to fill them if you're willing to work hard and put in a full day's honest work. you can be very successful there. the we heard some speeches already this morning about the need to reduce hunger. we heard speeches this morning about the availability of affordable health care. i'm for both of those things. and the best way to enhance availability of health care, to reduce hunger is to provide jobs . so again i would urge my colleagues today to vote for the bills that will be in front of us. h.r. 1965 is the federal lands jobs and energy security act. it's not a complicated bill. it acknowledges two things. it acknowledges the vast energy resources that our country owns under its federal lands, onshore. it also acknowledges contemporary t

north dakota. >> in north dakota, we've got a lot of farmers and lot of ranchers. they're small business people. they run a small business. and they're being hit very hard by obamacare like other small businesses across this country. a rancher contacted us, his name is wayne, and he ranches there, you know, an area where we have a lot of cow boys and tremendous rodeo. they compete nationally and have great livestock herds there. he write and says, i'm not one to get too upset about things, but this deal really has me mad. we got a letter a few week ago that said they were dropping our policy. i've paid my own insurance for years and years. when i got that letter it just hit me. because somebody in washington decided i was too stupid to figure it out if my policy was right for me or not. i don't pay at lough attention to politics, but usually what gets decided in washington doesn't slap you in the face like this law has with me, he says. i've gone on health care.gov and used the estimators that direct you to. i could be going from a $25 00 deductible to something between $10,000 and $12 ,000 the way it looks to me. this is going to cost me a a lot more for something i don't even want. yet, if i could, i would like to read another short story from a couple in grant port on a marriage penalty that obamacare creates. she writes in, my husband and i met with the primary health insurance carrier north dakota and we're told that our current coverage under the guideline of the affordable care act will cost us at least another $400 more a month and our deductible will increase from $2,000 to $12 ,000. and because we're married, we cannot choose individual plans which would be a lower deductible. in essence, we're being punished for being married. we are looking at paying more than $1500 a month in health care because we are only 61 years old and not eligible for medicare for another four years. $18,000 a year for health care? we were told that part of the problem is the provisions in the law is the provisions in the law require us choose a plan that has maternity benefits. how does this make sense for seniors to be forced to buy coverage that does not apply to that? we agree the benefits shouldn't be not denied to people, but it's not fair to be forced to buy coverage that doesn't even apply. >> mr. president? >> senator from nebraska. >> mr. president, i rise today to speak on behalf

north dakota in every state and north dakota has its own bank which serves as a sort of mini bank for the state it is the on the state that escaped the credit crisis it has the lowest unemployment rate in the country the lowest default rate and the lowest foreclosure rate so they're doing very well and this state takes all the revenues of the state and then they leverage capital and deposits into credit for the state. so works very well for their economy and i think every state should have one now it's no secret that close to rica like many developing countries they struggle with a certain degree of corruption is it dangerous to rely too much on the public banking system. recent works so well is that it's totally transparent and totally accountable in other countries public banks have sometimes been corrupted and that's because politicians have gotten hold of them and have used them for their own ends but in costa rica because it says in the constitution that the profits go back to the government the government wants to know what the banks are up to and so they are entitled to see all the books on like our federal reserve for example which wants to be not only independent but not to be audited they want to be acting in secret well that's a recipe for corruption but it does beg the question does a public banking system allow for easier government tracking of its citizens banking transactions. if the mandate is to make it all transparent it definitely does i mean you have to write their charter for the public banks from north dakota is also completely transparent and completely accountable and that's why it works so well in both north dakota and in costa rica they have a strong democratic government and it really works. that was ellen brown author of the public banks so we should time now for today's big deal. joining me now the lou lovely rachel curtis i like in the pink lady and we're going to do today is we're going to discuss all things social media now first and foremost here's the question how would you feel if your friends were ranking you behind your back aren't they already one hundred all of us just raking each other one time you tell them yes i'm judging each other and. well anyway we digress remember this scene from social network check it out. we're getting used to and chess players are you were asking girls. i need the algorithm he needed the algorithm the experiment it didn't and so well but it ended pretty good down the road anyway now there's a new out and it's for women to anonymously rev

, our main system, would flow from western north america, western .anada, alberta the main system would enter the u.s. in north dakota, flow across north dakota, desoto, wisconsin, michigan, indiana, illinois, and now we have a pipeline system we are developing from the midcontinent area to the u.s. gulf coast, and that, of course, takes us right through cushing, oklahoma. host: how old are your pipelines and are you building new ones? range inr pipelines age. the first pipeline that we build on our system -- our company was -- it was built up over a series of projects over the next several decades. today.building new pipe we are building and replacing pipe in some areas. so, our system is a combination of pipes that started with the start of our company in 1950. ,ost: how do you decide where and when, and how you are going to build a pipeline? guest: so, really, markets will drive how pipelines get tilt. in the production get built. in the u.s., you see a lot of development in the shell space. our numbers are up about 2 million barrels a day over the last two years, which is tremendous, and we are back to levels that we have not seen since t

north dakota is actually the best run state in the country. when asked how the state was run so well, the governor of north dakota was, like, "i'm the only person in northty -- pretty easy to run." [ laughter and applause ] and finally, this is a crazy story. a u.p.s. driver in oklahoma is being investigated for having sex with a woman in the back of his delivery truck. when he wasn't able to satisfy the lady, he left a note saying he'd try again tomorrow. [ laughter ] we have a great show tonight! give it up for the roots right there. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: oh, we have a big, big show tonight. thank you for watching! hope everyone's happy, home, and safe. we have a great show tonight. we love it when this guy stops by. starring in the cool new tnt television event "mob city." i'm excited about this thing. ed burns is here tonight! [ cheers and applause ] plus, my man is coming back. he's here. from the netflix series "lilyhammer," and also from bruce springsteen's e street band, stevie van zandt will be joining us! [ cheers and applause ] also our animal guy jeff musial is here. [ laughter ] huh? >> you don't want t

, our main system, would flow from western north america, western .anada, alberta the main system would enter the u.s. in north dakota, flow across north dakota, desoto, wisconsin, michigan, indiana, illinois, and now we have a pipeline system we are developing from the midcontinent area to the u.s. gulf coast, and that, of course, takes us right through cushing, oklahoma. host: how old are your pipelines and are you building new ones? range inr pipelines age. the first pipeline that we build on our system -- our company was -- it was built up over a series of projects over the next several decades. today.building new pipe we are building and replacing pipe in some areas. so, our system is a combination of pipes that started with the start of our company in 1950. ,ost: how do you decide where and when, and how you are going to build a pipeline? guest: so, really, markets will drive how pipelines get tilt. in the production get built. in the u.s., you see a lot of development in the shell space. our numbers are up about 2 million barrels a day over the last two years, which is tremendous, and we are back to levels that we have not seen since t

north dakota. h.o.v. in north dakotamr. hoeven: in north dakota we've got a lot of farmers and ranchers. theythey run a small business and they're being hit very hard by obamacare, like other small businesses across this country. a rancher contacted us. his name is wayne and he ranches there. it is an area where we have a lot of cowboys a tremendous rodeo. they compete nationally and they have great livestock herds there. but he writes, and he says, quks i'm not one to get too upset about things but this really has my mad. we go to a letter a few weeks ago that said they were dropping our policy. i i have paid my own insurance for years and years. when i got that letter, it just hit me because somebody in washington decided i was too stupid to figure it out if my policy was right for me or not. i don't pay a lot of attention to politics, but usually what gets decided in washington doesn't slap you in the face like this law has with me," he says. l "i've gone on healthcare.gov and used the estimatorhey >> i have gone on health care.gov, and i had used the estimators that they have directe

north dakota. unemployment in north dakota is i believe the lowest in the nation because in part of the jobs createdy the energy sector. on the flip side, you have state and local government, which has, as i said, really cut into job growth over the course of the recession in part because states are not seeing the tax revenue. people are not making the wages therefore they are not paying is many in taxes, therefore they have to cut jobs. it is a vicious cycle. host: we have about 20 minutes left with daniel kurtzleben -- with danielle kurtzleben of "u.s. news & world report." how long have you been following the employment sector? guest: a little over two and a half years now. host: talk about the wage numbers and the average workweek , two things that are included in each month's report. what sort of turns are we seeing recently in those two areas? guest: the best way to describe wages is flat. they really have not been improving quite that much, especially when you look at the real numbers, which is inflation-adjusted. when you look over a slightly longer term, say back to pre- recession, we are b

the gentleman who called from north dakota, because they're close to canada and they are mostly of german descent, soliciting north dakota. i worked with people from northakota and god bless them all, they are stout. just as you caller said. to -- sure, there are a lot of barriers to commerce inherent to the u.s. government -- the the federal's federalists just want money. that is why they ship all the jobs overseas. ok, daniel. thanks for the call. influence and image. our focus this week is may me eisenhower. she only had one press conference as first lady of the united states. known fory popular her pink seamless gowns and bangs. the life of mainly eisenhower, c-span's first lady's series. tune in tomorrow evening at 9:00 eastern time, 6:00 for those of you on the west coast or also carried on c-span radio. bob is joining us from baton rouge, louisiana. good morning. the first thing we have to do so we can have our country muslimss get all these out of the white house and our government. mail this mohammed eli the area now said we are a muslim country now. who is he? caller: he is the head of the homeland security. he is not ahead of it, but he has a

modern accounts of what north dakota's experience in places like wilson north dakota and you think about this film in cushing oklahoma. we have previous successful exploration to our north and east between cushing and tulsa and so as the boehm move this way it really became a drilling exploration focus in this town. the production far outpaced what we consumed and it became a natural spot to begin building storage facilities pipeline gathering facilities and it was in the nascent stages of the modern infrastructure that sits behind us this morning. >> host: what part is a play in the oil industry today? >> guest: the cushing hub is vitally important. if you think about all the things that the hub does and the things that have been discussed previously already it is a marketplace. it is the market place the price-setting place for intermediate crude. it is a blending station where operators like enbridge and others can meet the demands of their downstream users, the refiners that are refining crude oil of jet fuel diesel asphalt and other products. they demanded very specific blend of crude into the production process. cushing serves as a critical blending station to get

north dakota spilling 20,000 barrels of lawyer. it's part of a report issued on the 29 september rupture. investigators in north dakota thought corrosion may have been the cause. upgrades have been ordered before operations can resume. the owner agreed to install leak protectors and conduct aerial patrols of the pipeline. >> the supreme court of virmginnia ruled virginia tech university was not at fault in failing to warn students of the 2007 campus shooting. 32 were killed when a gunman opened fire in a residence call and classroom. it ruled virginia tech could not have known students were in harm, meaning the families of the victims will not be paid by virginia tech. >> what was behind the motive for an attack by israeli on syria? >> changes to new york city's controversial stop and frisk practice by police officers being put on homed. why an appeals court overruled a judges decision, and why she was pulled from the case. >>> u.s. officials say israeli war planes attacked a syrian military base. the target is in the syrian port city of latakia. we have this report from jerusalem. >> the israeli army is not confirmin

north dakota, my little ed shelts broadcasting llc. blue cross/blue shield of north dakota paid out $179,000 in benefits for my wife's cancer treatment and that is with no complications. i'm talking about the surgery at mayo, lear at sloan keter ling in new york city, all of the doctor visits and all of the medications, just everything. then i had to pay out of pocket some because of the dedeductible so it's over 200 grand but this is the number that we have got from blue cross/blue shield of northakota. i have absolutely no complaints. insurance is good. we pay $1,100 a month between the both of us for our premiums. it's kind of high but we can afford it. both of our insurance policies total that. now i'd much rather pay that than have to deal with $179,000 bill with no backup. now under obama care, someone with low income could enroll in medicaid or qualify for subsidies. under obama care, low income wage earners wouldn't be stuck with a massive bill like this. so here is how it would play out if you're one of those folks making $27,500 a year that the republicans don't give a damn about, this is how it would play out. if you got a medical bill for $179,048.69, and you took out a ten-year loan at 0%, let's say you got a rich uncle who is going to cut you a deal or a the banker really likes you, so zero percent at ten years for 179,000 plus, you would be paying almost $1,500 a month for ten years. that is $18,000 a year! now if you make $27,000 a year, guess what? it ain't happ

north dakota we have comprehensive health insurance of north dakota. ofstates have these kind pools. how about the federal government works with those state pools to be more for people with pre- existing conditions? the step-by-step, comprehensive approach like that is what we advocate for. spoke about several health-care proposals being considered on and off the floors of the house and senate. >> today health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius announce a number of people who had had enrolled, and that figure released earlier this afternoon. david dropped her is just -- david drucker is joining us from capitol hill. is it a good or bad thing? we will need millions and millions more americans in the exchanges in order to subsidize expanded coverage that the law mandates. that it perspective will go up from here, we could say it was a rough start that will be remedied once the website is fixed and people become more comfortable with the law. >> the hearings tend to focus on the launch of healthcare.gov. the legislative action in the arena seems to be turning to letting people stay or remain on their health care plans and not have to change them over. tell us about what is coming up later in the house this week. >> on friday, the house will vote on a bill that would allow americans who purchased health care in the individual market to keep the plan they have if they want to through the end of 2014. insurance companies who have been transitioning to the new obamacare, the law demands a upgrade the coverage. so they have been transitioning to this new regulatory regime and phasing out the old plans. the bill would allow insurance companies to continue to offer these plans for another year. ave already been canceled, but house republicans are trying to answer concerns from their constituents. voters are worried about losing .heir plan in the senate, one bill goes expand here it it would it indefinitely and force insurance companies to continue to offer plans that are available now unless they want to exit the individual insurance market altogether. there's no indication yet that -- the danger to there is that fiscally it could undermine how obamacare finances all the expanded coverage. you cannot have a lifetime cap and things of that nature. we need all these people in the new exchanges in order to finance that. that is what we're going to see at least on the house side this week. harryate majority leader reid saying that senate democrats would meet with white house officials on thursday up on capitol hill. what is expected to come out of that meeting? >> senator reid did not want to talk too much about health care at the weekly news conference and was very candid about that. he said he was not going to answer any questions. when both sides of ,apitol hill are very concerned the website has been a concern, issue, the fear among americans whose plan has -- in terms ofed their concern about the policies in the short term. toy want to do something assure the public that they are doing something, and so far they are not satisfied with the administration's response to this. what tomorrow's meeting is about with the administration is to say where are you with the website, what is the government going to do about the fact that we have this problem? not only what are you going to do, but when are you going to do it? how long do you have to take a beating for lyrically in the press over how this is going down? >> david drucker, follow him on twitter and read his reporting at the washington examiner.com. david drucker, thanks for being with us. >> on the next washington journal, we will talk with representatives henry cuellar about several issues facing congress, including the health care law, budget negotiations, and immigration reform. you will also be able to call in with your questions about those issues to wyoming senator john .arrasso then we are joined by stephen kahle, founder of voice of the people. washington journal is live on c- span every day at 7 a.m. eastern. the senate banking committee tomorrow morning here's from janet yellen, president obama's choice to head the federal reserve. she is vice-chairman of the board of governors and will replace ben bernanke. that is live on c-span three at 10 a.m. eastern. >> if you are a middle or high school student, the student cam video competition wants to know what is the most important issue congress should address next year? sure to include c-span programming for your chance to win the grand prize of $5,000. with $100,000 in total prizes. the deadline is january 20. >> the white house hosted leaders and president obama spoke to the group for about 15 minutes. >> thank you. [applause] thank you, everybody. everybody, please, have a seat. thank you, karen, for the kind introduction. a couple of people i want to introduce, or at least acknowledge. first of all, give it up for our outstanding new secretary of the interior, sally jewell. [applause] we're joined by several other members of my cabinet, which reflects how much my administration values your partnership, the partnership with your communities. i want to thank the members of congress who are here. i want to give, also, a special shout-out to one of my closest advisors, one of my oldest friends. but he's also a great friend to all of you, and he doesn't get a lot of credit because he hates credit; he just likes to work behind the scenes. but he worked with many of you when he worked in the senate. he has been a key advisor on native american affairs for me throughout this process, and i could not be prouder of him -- mr. pete rouse. so give mr. pete rouse a big round of applause. [applause] now, most of all, i want to thank all of you, especially the tribal leaders who are here today. and i understand, actually, we've got more tribal leaders here than we ever have at any of these conferences. so it just keeps on growing each year, which is wonderful news. [applause] you represent more than 300 tribal nations, each of you with your own extraordinary heritage, each a vital part of a shared american family. and as a proud adopted member of the crow nation, let me say kaheÉ -- welcome -- to all of you. now, after i became president, i said that given the painful chapters and broken promises in our shared history, i'd make sure this country kept its promises to you. i promised that tribal nations would have a stronger voice in washington --- that as long as i was in the white house, it would be your house, too. and for the past five years, my administration has worked hard to keep that promise --- to build a new relationship with you based on trust and respect. and this new relationship wasn't just about learning from the past. it was also about the here and now --- recognizing the contributions that your communities make to enrich the united states every single day. native americans are doctors and teachers and businessmen and women, and veterans and servicemembers. and they get up every morning and help make america stronger and more prosperous and more just. and i want to build on our true government-to-government relationship as well. so i'm proud to have native americans serving with dedication in my administration, including assistant secretary of the interior for indian affairs, kevin washburn of the chickasaw nation; my senior advisor for native american affairs, jodi gillette of the standing rock sioux tribe -- our [inter]governmental affairs office, we've got charlie galbraith of the navajo nation. and i look forward to -- so they worked so incredibly hard to make this conference possible, and i look forward to it every year. i had the privilege of some of you coming to the white house yesterday. as we made clear in the executive order earlier this year that established the white house council on native american affairs, we have a unique legal and political relationship, one that's been affirmed many times in treaties, in statutes and in the constitution. that's the unique relationship we honor today. that's the relationship we're called upon to sustain for the progress of all of our peoples. and while we should be proud of what we've achieved together in recent years, we also should be focused on all the work that we still have to do. i know we've got members of the iroquois nation here today. and i think we could learn from the iroquois confederacy, just as our founding fathers did when they laid the groundwork for our democracy. the iroquois called their network of alliances with other tribes and european nations a "covenant chain." each link represented a bond of peace and friendship. but that covenant chain didn't sustain itself. it needed constant care, so that it would stay strong. and that's what we're called to do, to keep the covenant between us for this generation and for future generations. and there are four areas in particular where i think we need to focus. first, let's keep our covenant strong by strengthening justice and tribal sovereignty. we've worked with you in good faith to resolve longstanding disputes like establishing the land buy back program to consolidate indian lands and restore them to tribal trust lands. we've reauthorized the violence against women act, so tribes can prosecute those who commit domestic violence in indian country, whether they're native american or not. [applause] i signed changes to the stafford act, to let tribes directly request disaster assistance, because when disasters like floods or fires strike, you shouldn't have to wait for a middleman to get the help you need. [applause] but there's more we can do to return more control to your communities. and that's why i'm urging congress to reauthorize the native american housing assistance and self- determination act -- because your communities know your affordable housing needs better than washington does. [applause] it's why we'll keep pushing congress to pass the carcieri fix, so that more tribal nations can put their land into federal trust. [applause] and we've heard loud and clear your frustrations when it comes to the problem of being fully reimbursed by the federal government for the contracted services you provide, so we're going to keep working with you and congress to find a solution. [applause] that's all going to be part of making sure that we're respecting the nation-to-nation relationship. now, second, we've got to keep our covenant strong by expanding opportunity for native americans. we've created jobs building new roads and high-speed internet to connect more of your communities to the broader economy. we've made major investments in job training and tribal colleges and universities. but the fact remains native americans face poverty rates that are higher by far than the national average. and that's more than a statistic, that's a moral call to action. we've got to do better. so i said to some of you that i met with yesterday, growing our economy, creating new jobs is my top priority. we've got to stop the self- inflicted wounds in washington. because for many tribal nations, this year's harmful sequester cuts and last month's government shutdown made a tough situation worse. your schools, your police departments, child welfare offices are all feeling the squeeze. that's why i'm fighting for a responsible budget that invests in the things that we need in order to grow --- things like education, and job training, and affordable housing and transportation, including for native american communities. and we're going to work to make sure native american-owned businesses have greater access to capital and to selling their goods overseas. so we've got to build the economy, create more opportunity. number three, we've got to keep our covenant strong by making sure native americans have access to quality, affordable health care just like everybody else. that's one of the reasons we fought hard to pass the affordable care act, and we're working overtime to make sure the law works the way it's supposed to. for native americans, this means more access to comprehensive, affordable coverage. it permanently reauthorizes the indian health care improvement act, which provides care to so many in your communities. and let me just give you one example of how this law is already working for tribal nations. thanks to the aca, the puyallup tribal health authority in washington state created the country's first tribal family medicine residency program. patients are cared for in a culturally sensitive way, often by native american staff. and we're seeing results --- a young physician caring for a revered tribal elder; a doctor who has delivered babies in the community for years, and now his son is also doing the same. and that's creating more quality health care, but also sustaining bonds between generations. that's progress that we need to build on. and then the fourth area that we've got to work on is, let's keep our covenant strong by being good stewards of native homelands, which are sacred to you and your families. i saw the beauty of crow agency, montana, when i was a candidate for this office. next year, i'll make my first trip to indian country as president. [applause] the health of tribal nations depends on the health of tribal lands. so it falls on all of us to protect the extraordinary beauty of those lands for future generations. and already, many of your lands have felt the impacts of a changing climate, including more extreme flooding and droughts. that's why, as part of the climate action plan i announced this year, my administration is partnering with you to identify where your lands are vulnerable to climate change, how we can make them more resilient. and working together, we want to develop the energy potential of tribal lands in a responsible way and in accordance with tribal wishes. over the last four years, we've more than doubled oil and gas revenues on tribal lands --- a big reason why the united states is now more energy independent. so we're working with tribes to get more renewable energy projects, like solar and wind, up and running. your lands and your economies can be a source of renewable energy and the good local jobs that come with it. so standing up for justice and tribal sovereignty; increasing economic opportunity; expanding quality health care; protecting native homelands -- this is the foundation we can build on. this is the progress that we can make together. and we don't have to look far for inspiration. some of you know, monday obviously was veterans' day, a time to honor all who have worn america's uniform. [applause] i know everyone here is proud that native americans have such a high enlistment rate in our military. and we've seen generations of patriotic native americans who have served with honor and courage, and we draw strength from them all. we draw strength from the navajo code talkers whose skill helped win the second world war. [applause] we draw strength from woodrow wilson keeble, who many years after his death was finally awarded the medal of honor for his heroism in the korean war. [applause] we draw strength from -- and i want to make sure i get this right -- lori piestewa, who during the iraq war was the first known native american woman to give her life in combat for the united states. [applause] and we draw strength from all our men and women in uniform today, including two pilots i rely on when i step onto marine one --- major paul bisulca, from the penobscot nation, and major eli jones, of the shoshone bannock. and those guys are carrying me around, keeping me safe. [applause] so on this veterans day week, even though it's technically not veterans day, i want to ask all the veterans in the audience --- including several legendary navajo code talkers who are here if you can, please stand, accept our gratitude. [applause] for generations, these men and women have helped keep our covenant strong. so now we've got to keep strong what they've built, for this and generations to come. it falls to us to keep america the place where no matter where you come from, what you look like, you can always make it as long as you try, as long as you work hard. and i know that that's what -- all of you are working hard. that's what you represent as leaders of the communities that are represented here from coast to coast. i want you to know that's what i'm working for. that's the partnership that i cherish, and i will cherish as long as i have the honor of serving as your president. so thank you. god bless you. god bless the united states of america. thank you. [applause] ♪ >> attorney general eric holder spoke to the white house tribal nations conference for about 20 minutes on his -- on violence and tribal crime and tribal communities. [applause] >> good morning, and i want to thank you all for such a warm welcome. it was amazing to hear those also amazing to think that he is actually there for speech thatistoric attorney general kennedy gave. i would also like to thank secretary sally jewell and her colleagues for hosting this very important conference today. members andbinet leaders throughout the administration welcome such a distinguished group to .ashington dc it is a privilege to stand with so many good friends, so many inicated tribal leaders reinforcing the ties that bind us to one another and renewing our commitment to working with equal trust and respect to address shared challenges and reaffirm our dedication to fulfill the great promise of our government's relationship with sovereign tribes. i want to personally commend every participant in the assures tribal nations conference for taking the time to be here and moving our nation closer toward ideals ofreasured opportunity and justice under law. especially in recent years, alice tribal leaders both in and beyond this room have stepped to the forefront of our efforts to preserve cultural values, to enforce treaty obligations, and to secure the rights and benefits to all american benefits you are entitled. through many generations you and your predecessors have facedown tremendous adversity, standing up to those who once sought to terminate the federal relationships -- federal government's relationship with tribes. to have a seat at the table before major reforms are enacted. immobilize tribal nations to win passage of long overdue laws, not simply to regulate tribal affairs, but to allow all native people to fulfill their own promise, to chart their own path . as the ranks of your partners have grown, you have raised awareness about obstacles to tribal sovereignty, and with the assistance and support of public servants like my ferry distinguished predecessor, attorney general robert f entity -- robert f kennedy. gather for this year's tribal nations conference here in our nations capital during american indian and alaska native heritage month, i think it is important that we celebrate these and other momentous achievements, but it is also necessary that we acknowledge that our relationships have not always been so constructive. far too much of our history has been defined by violence and by deprivation. far too many promises have been broken. far too many tribes have been told that their lands, their religion, their cultures, and their languages were somehow not theirs to keep, that their rights could be abridged or denied without the guarantee of they could notat vote, and that the only course of action available to them would be to move on, to give up, and quite simply, to forget. today, we declare that we must never forget. in just aver deny step for decades upon decades was inflicted on native peoples, and we affirm that this painful path has given rise to a sustained time of cooperation. the nation confronted a new frontier. 50 years ago in bismarck, northkota, attorney general kennedy addressed the national congress of american indians. at the time, just as it is today, ncai was the largest intertribal organization in the country. it was a key partner to the justice department. robert kennedy spoke of the vision that he and his brother, president john f. kennedy, saw for a more equal and just nation . in what would become a historic speech, he told the assembled crowd that he stood before them and what he called a turning in the tide. america, he said, is moving forward more rapidly and in more ways than ever before. moving toward the fulfillment of its destiny as the land of the neithernation in which indians nor any other racial or religious minority would live being underprivileged. more than half a century later, is clear that his vision has yet to be fully realized, but it is the elite apparent in the last two decades, and especially the last five years, have been marked by significant steps forward, to keep a nations promised to

north carolina. please go ahead. >> thank you. >> i'm sorry, from north dakota? >> yes. >> okay. >> thank you i misspoke the first of anything other than north dakota's. >> thank you for being here today. but i would love to ask him questions about the hydraulic fracturing. but before i do that, i would like to follow up on the invitation by mr. massey for you to go to kentucky and hold a listening session on your way to north dakota on the new standard for we would like to submit and i'd love to talk to you about october 18 of the record, mr. chairman. >> okay. >> it just seems like in the spirit of transparency, that having these 11 listening sessions in the cities where you have regional offices, that it's okay as far as it goes. but what a wonderful opportunity it would be to add some more listening sessions. so i would really love to have you commit to these other places. >> i appreciate that. i just want to tell you that that is not the extent of what we're doing and those are the major listening sessions, but the regional offices in our administrations are branching out to the individual states as well. >> i understand that. i understand it in that in a pla

north dakota. we have comprehensive health assurance of north dakota. 35 states have these kind of pools. i think west virginia probably has one. how about the federal government works with those state pools to do more for people with preexisting conditions. i think a step by step comprehensive approach like that is what we advocate. and we have legislation that we're putting forward to do it. >> i guess on that note, about federal governments and state governments working together as former governors. >> here's where john and i have total agreement. the 10th amendment of the constitution gives states rights. it's not democrat or republican. it's basically as we are the laboratories of experiment. i mean, that's who we are. and our founding fathers gave us that power on the 10th amendment. and so certain things that states can do are more flexible. give an example, we have a mandate for balanced budget. so every tuesday, i don't know what day, but i can tell you every governor in the country sits down once a week with their budget people and all their economists and they say here's where

north dakota, northern portion of south dakota getting snow tonight. what we are watching is up to the north/northeast, high temperatures cooling off. a shot of arctic air. i say a shot because it's going to push down quickly for the north interior. we are also going to get cold air pushing farther south. when that happens, we are all going to start to feel it as the temperatures, the highs will be hit and continue to plumbing throughout the rest of the day. this mark is 21 degrees now. you are going to continue to get colder as that air moves to the south. it is air that's not -- just doesn't have a lot of moisture to it. with don't expect to see a tong of snow all over the place but we will see some spots of snow develop. cold air is bringing wind gusts up to 35 miles an hour in m manhattan tonight so we are going to feel the temperatures dropping lower and lower. i will time that out for you and let you know when you could see snow in the air even near the atlantic ocean. jonathan? >> getting cold out there. thanks rebecca. european space agency satellite has now entered earth atmosphere. most has burned up. many remaining pieces could fall. space crafts ran out of fuel last no has been falling towards earth ever sin

north dakota because fargo is at 5 degrees. that is the warmest spot we have in the state of north dakota. minneapolis reporting 16 degrees now. these are not wind chill factors. chicago, 24 degrees. 19 in omaha. you see some of that air is gradually making it towards the south. that's the set up, chance of icing situation across dallas metroplex. more than likely you'll see that materialize on the western suburbs. right now, mostly light rainfall, but we will start to see snowfall pick up across the pan handles of oklahoma and texas. more coming up in a little bit. >>> hello again, everyone. fredricka whitfield. here are the top stories we're following in the cnn newsroom. police officers storm los angeles international airport, guns drawn and passengers hit the ground. hear what triggered the scare. >>> london police are canvassing a neighborhood where three women were allegedly held captive for three decades. we will tell you what they're hoping to find. >>> plus new developments in the rape investigation involving a heisman trophy hopeful and fellow student. the results of dna tests coming up. >>> we begin with two frightening incidents at los angeles international airport, they happened almost simultaneously, one at terminal 4, the other at terminal 5. at terminal 4, a prank call to police caused this chaotic scene. authorities say it all began when the caller reported a gunman at the airport and that prompted this response from police. >> everyone on the ground! everybody get down! >> police evacuated the terminal, didn't find anything suspicious, gave the all clear almost at the same time. at terminal 5, an suv crashed, triggering a panic reaction from passengers inside. paul vercammen has more. >> reporter: last night, absolute panic at lax. what happened, this driver of a minivan collided with parked cars and hit a parking structure here. someone mistook the sounds of the collision for gunfire. and as you also pointed out, there's what police are determining a prank call to another terminal saying there's a man with a gun inside. police came rushing into both terminals, guns drawn, and basically you can imagine the passengers here absolutely scared out of their minds as this went on. let's take a listen. >> the first time i knew of it is when i was in the ladies restroom and the security guard told us to come and hide in the babies room because there was lots of yelling and screaming outside. >> i was in the security line and they all of a sudden the security people were shouting on dell a, on dell a, move, and everybody went running. >> reporter: this was exactly three weeks after the fatal shooting of a tsa officer that caused so many problems. yesterday last evening 4600 people were impacted with flight delays or landings. then you had the ripple effect, the roads in and around lax absolutely jammed. many people worried and fearing that here we go all over again. in the end it turned out to be nothing but a false alarm. that driver of the minivan that crashed said to be in good condition at a local hospital. fredricka? >> thank you so much, paul vercammen at lax. >>> overseas, talks on iran's nuclear program appear to be moving closer to a deal. u.s. secretary of state john kerry met with iran's foreign minister for an hour after arriving in switzerland earlier this morning. sounds like there's going to be some sort of deal, if there's going to be a deal that today would be the day. jim chute oh is live in geneva. jim, are people very hopeful just because the secretary of state is there in geneva? >> reporter: well, they're not giving many details. they're still talking. five diplomats and germany, includes the u.s., secretary of state john kerry, they're meeting for a second time since the key meeting between john kerry and the iranian foreign minister. you can picture them in the room going over the final bullet points of a proposed agreement. can they reach that last mile in effect? the iranian deputy foreign minister says he believes they're about 90% there. the last 10% could be the difficult issues. as they meet with talks they start with issues they have the most agreement on and move to the more difficult ones. they still have issues to settle. that's what they're working on now. >> what is potentially next if there is something like 11 hours left in the day of potential talks today, if no deal is reached, where does it go from here? >> reporter: well, it is a big question. it is 7:00 here already. they could be going into the early morning hours. the last time, two weeks ago when they had a session that broke up, didn't break up until 2:00 in the morning. what would happen next? listen, it would be a come down for both sides to get this close, not be able to reach agreement. they could fail to reach agreement today or tomorrow, then say listen, we have a couple more things to work through, we'll come back in another couple weeks. that would be a pr issue, something difficult, considering how expectations have been raised. it is hard to say really. i doubt if a deal is not reached in the next 24 hours they would say talks are off, but it would be a difficult one to come back from. so that's one reason why they're working hard. they know their window for a deal like this in iran, back in the u.s., europe, is limited. they want to take advantage if they can come to agreement on the most difficult issues. >> jim sciutto, keep us posted there from geneva. >>> back here stateside, a high school football team cancels the rest of its games because of one word. the season ending slur that brought the fbi to a small town. >>> but first, chilling new details in the murder of a massachusetts teacher next. vo: it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollment. time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to make changes. but it never hurts to see if you can find better coverage, save money, or both. and check out the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. open enrollment ends december 7th. so now's the time. visit medicare.gov or call 1-800-medicare >>> there was a note found next to the body. philip chism has been arrested for murder, rape, armed robbery. he will be arraigned december 4th. >>> an eighth student at princeton university is being treated for meningitis. investigators are test to go see if she has the same rare bacterial strain found in seven other cases at the school. princeton officials plan to provide students with a vaccine. it has been approved in europe, not the u.s. >>> people signing up for obama care will have more time to do so. obama administration is extending deadline by one week, giving americans until december 23rd to sign up to have health coverage starting in january. people will have to make their first premium payment on or before december 31st to make sure they are insured. >>> meanwhile, not many young people are signing up for obama care, particularly via the federal sign up website, healthcare.gov. >> one of the things we have known about obama care, you have to have enough young, healthy people to sign up. the few states we have data on that, numbers aren't good. 23% signed up, in that category of young and healthy. washington state, same thing. kentucky, one of the best rated states in terms of having their state program work, only 19% young and healthy sign up. connecticut, 19%, maryland, 27%. it is just a sampling, but it matters because this number is so important. you have to have about 7 million, the projection by congressional budget office by next march for this to work properly. right now, only 3% of that number has been achieved. that's not necessarily a big worry because they expected it to be slow at first, then pick up momentum later on. this question of who is signing up is a bigger, more important matter. the target is out of 100%, 38% have to be young and healthy. 38%. right now, the early data has it at 21.6% fitting into that category. as this number grows, this number has to grow and get closer to the target, because if they don't hit that target, then the math starts getting into trouble, according to congressional budget office, and that could put the whole program into a bit of a tail spin. >> thanks so much, tom forman. >>> a california family of four murdered, bodies found in shallow graves. the mysteries about the deaths and disappearance next. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. does your mouth often feel dry? 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north dakota has the least amount of enrollees with exactly 42 accounts successfully created. >> isn't that like half of north dakota? >> congressional budget office expected 7 million officials to sign up for obama care in its first year. in september the white house said it expected over 3450,000 people to sign up during the program's first month. doct doctor. >> and for president obama, there is no relief when it comes to public polling. 55% of americans feel the president was not being honest when it came to obama care. 50% believe the president knowingly lied when he said americans would keep their plans and 58% says they thought his apology was to political reasons. >> al hunt, the president obviously facing so much problems incoming from the website, but do you suspect that this broken promise is -- that most americans think was a broken promise, is that the great challenge? >> it's a huge challenge. but they had mull kip he will challenges. they have to get things working so they can improve the numbers if they possibly can. the credibility of the program has suffered. the kret akd credibility of thet has suffered. what bothers a lot of democrats is did they learn anything from this. i think this was a complex problem to begin with. it wasn't going to go smoothly. it would have gone much better if it hasn't been the white house in-so he rarity. >> why didn't they do that? >> because insolarity is the buy word of this administration. steven rattner who it a fabulous job with the automobile industry could have run it. but they don't turn to outside people because they are so insul lar. >> why is that? >> it's an interesting question. wh >> greatest example is when you had james baker trying to beat ronald reagan in the primary and second reagan ended up winning and he turned to baker and said run high cmy campaign. >> in the beginning it looked like there was some with this at administration. it didn't work out very well. they are more insular than ever. it is a problem that just absolutely infuriates testimonitestimondemocrats. >> they don't listen to republicans that much. will they listen to the house democrats who are angry and giving they will an ultimatum? you guys either fix this fast or we'll go in our open direction and support these bills that will force to you keep your promise. >> and this will come to a head very quickly. you'll have a vote on friday on the upton bill in the house and a lot of the democrats are saying to the white house we want you to come up with another solution. please give us something else, whether it's administrative, legislative. and as of yet, we haven't seen that from the white house. you'll have the senate meeting today. i think you'll see a lot of push back from democrats in the senate, as well. >> it will be interesting. >> push back to the white house. >> push back to the white house. and again on a similar line from what we're hearing from house democrats which is give us another option. we're asking for you a fix. you tell us you're looking at it, but we haven't seen anything yet. >> or shall sort of assurance that this will be fixed. steve and sam, latest snapshot of the 2016 race isn't looking good for vice president biden of all people. just 25% of people in a new quinnipiac poll say joe biden would make a good president. 54% say hillary clinton by comparison could ham the job. the poll also shows chris christie and hillary clinton neck and neck. and while clinton leads with women, christie with men. independents go to christie by a margin of 16 points. yesterday, this is interesting, senator rand paul took a shot at his possible 2016 opponent, new jersey governor chris christie, for federal spending on sandy and for including himself in post-storm tourism ads. >> you call him a moderate a couple of times. what do you base that on? >> well, i think that his victory was in large form based on that he got a lot of -- >> we just lost if. >> you called him a moderate of a couple of times. what do you base that on? >> well, i think that his victory was in large form based on that he got a lot of federal money for his state. the problem is that there were some of us who said, yeah, we do have federal funds available for disasters, but really we ought to spend it one year at a time and if we have to increase the budget for disasters, we have to take it from somewhere else. unlimited spending is sort of -- you can call it moderate or even liberal to think that there is unlimited amount of money even for good cause. >> you have the governor running in 25 million bucks stronger than the storm, using that through a political campaign. that's taxpayer money. >> it should be against the law for any politician to put their image on tv at taxpayer expense. really we have a 9% approval rating, politicians do, because people are unhappy about taxpayer money being used. and particularly when it's one thing if you want it put your image on tv and say i'm going to give a million dollars of my money. but you're getting somebody else's money. if you're doing that, should you take part of that money to promote how good you are at getting somebody else's money to come to new jersey. >> okay. so, joe, with all due respect to your party, but we were talking about whether democrats will learn their lesson. talk about not learning anything. come on. >> we'll see what happens. rand paul obviously -- he said you shouldn't ever use taxpayer money to get your image in front of your constituents, which what that means is rand paul is probably the exception to the rule. he must be the only member in the house or the senate that doesn't do franking. franking is where you send, you know, letters to your constituents that put your face in front of your constituents. >> with taxpayer money. >> you're using taxpayer money to do what he said. >> but you -- i'm not happy about it, but such a time of opportunity given what's happening with health care. >> this is not the time to be out there criticizing your fellow republicans. >> especially because this fix to obama care is not going to be simple. the upton bill julie referred o to, even what president clinton said is hard toi implement. if the president comes up with some solution that requires legislation, he happened it is to the senate, maybe they pass it. hard to imagine the house passes it. and this is what the republicans should be doing purely political standpoint is they should be doing obama care, obama care, obama care, not shooting at each other. >> obsessing at a race that is still three years away. if you're one of the key players in that, and it keeps going back to sandy, this is also very interesting when kentucky is hit with a natural disaster, we'll see whether rand paul asks for support for the good people of kentucky or just 1sits back and nothing. >> with the exception of tom coburn where he says he doesn't think the government has that big a role to play, i think to rand paul's credit, he was probably goaded into that by the question. it wasn't as if he just decided to jump in with the christie criticism. i think you're right, at this moment in time, republicans would be wise to basically just get out of the way. what we're witnessing now is probably the lowest point politically for president obama, a continuous stream of bad news. and steve hit the nail on the head which is that even though there are these legislative suggestions for how to fix this law, they are exceptionally short term political fixes that would cause policy disruption five, ten years down the road. ed it gut the exchanges. it would created a verse selection in the exchanges and could potentially derail health care. so president obama has to figure out what he can get done legislatively in a divided congress that wouldn't necessarily tinker too much with the law, but would at least give democrats a bit of space. >> i agree with all that except i would say it's not five or ten years down the road. it's by next year. most of these solutions would -- ba obama care, each piece rests on another piece. you pull one piece out, the whole thing could collapse. >> and there is the political problem that people are getting cancellation letters. that could be solved somewhat if people were able to go on to a website and say i can get this option and this tax credit. they can't do that right now. i talked to a private industry source last night, private industry, not government, who said he wasn't worried about the numbers. what he's worried about is the numbers in six months time. the question now is can they make to six months time. i'm not sure if they can. >> put this in perspective for us. we showed some poll numbers yesterday which were pretty stunning that barack obama is where george w. bush was three months after katrina, the same approval ratings. put it into perspective. what does this crisis remind you of? and of course we're not saying there is any moral equivalence, but politically, obviously it impacts the impact of katrina. iran contra. where does it stand and what does the president do to turn it around? >> i think katrina may be the best analogy. what is remarkable is that each party seems intent on throwing the other a lifeline when they're drowning. in early october, there was already some problems with obama care. so what do the republicans do? they had a shutdown and through a lifeline to the democrat. then republicans at their lowest point ever and what has obama done, he's thrown a life long. both parties are in trouble, but he's the president and this will be very hard to come back from. >> we'll be asking a lot of questions to a big roster of guests this morning on how to fix this, if it can be fixed. coming up on morning skroe o"mj senator joe manchin will be here. governor mcdonnell will be here. we'll talk to claire mccaskill. and later, a live interview with john kerry. up next, we'll preview the brand new political company magazine. john harris joins us. a news piece describes the obama cabinet as a fun house mirror filled with communications breakdowns. >> where is the hat, man? first here is it bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning to you. it's a cold morning as advertised. pretty much everywhere east of the rocky, but the good news is we're past the peak and now it war warms up from here let's take you into this morning. temperatures as advertised again 30 in atlanta, it is chilly out there with that cold all the way down into florida. but this afternoon should be nice. temperatures warm up in a hurry. look at the 24 hour temperature change. all the warm air coming from the middle of the cup and headiount heading to the east. you'll be 50 in chicago, same for new york city, about 5 to 10 degrees warmer. d.c. at 57 this afternoon. should an nice day after a cold start. friday, we get warmer, some showers in florida. much of the east coast by the way should have a gorgeous weekend. 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>> mcdonald's says the pattie is formed in the shape of traditional ribs, they flash freeze the meat before subpoena sending it out to the restaurants. >> yikes. that picture -- i mean, that hits me about the same way that "time" cover, is god dead. >> and there you go. do you eat that? >> no. it's awful. >> why would you eat it? >> it tastes g s delicious and good for you. >>> joining us, john harris and gladden thrush. they are launching the brand new politico magazine. inside the magazine is glenn's piece titled locked in the cabinet, a revealing look at president obama's cabinet. and this looks amazing. >> this is something to be excited about. what a story to start with. >> we are very proud of it. pli politico trying to go deeper in addition to living in the moment. and thrush here has taken us deeper than anyone has ever taken us. >> where is his hat? >> i don't know. i've never seen him this way. i didn't realize he was bald. >> so let's talk about your look at the obama cabinet. there's a description of a fun house mirror that has this idiosyncratic lurching management style. explain. >> i think we've seen it pretty much played out over the last six weeks with the obama care rollout. but essentially the president started off in 2008 telling joe klein he wanted to have a team at the top bob gates, hillary clinton, tim geithner, he had that. but when you got below the headlines with that cabinet, they were systemically marginalized, people who didn't really necessarily have a lot of access to the president. and by and large as you drifted closer to the 2012 campaign, the management particularly from guys like david plouffe really mandated a crackdown on more or less everything. people had to clear their schedules. and i think in the most -- one of the most telling problems that they had is that they clogged up a lot of the obama care regulations that were necessary to get the website going for months and months. >> so chaotic management style? >> not so much chaotic management style. it's a her met particularly sealed management style in which you have a west wing and white house that functions i think fairly competent tently. didn't necessarily seek output from the outside. that doesn't necessarily hold true just for people on the outside. it also holds true for these massive cabinet departments that control enormous amounts of the federal government. >> one thing that gets me, they have in this cabinet throughout the five years a lot of people who faced voters. i don't think any of the white house staff has ever faced a voter. maybe an exception or two. and this is a political town and yet when it comes to politics, those people who actually have faced voters are excluded and those people who never faced voters are making all the decisions. that's a disconnect. >> absolutely. and one of the reasons i think by d biden had influence earlier on. >> you have incredible quotes from people. it's a surreal experience sitting with bob gates, hillary clinton and leon panetta. like do i really blopg here. that's arne duncan. but who is this? explain this. sometimes i feel like january either is touching me. just to see if i'm still warm. >> that would be attorney general eric holder. >> excuse me? >> who i feel -- harris does that to me. >> oh, my gosh. >> but anyway, when you have a situation like this where there is maybe a half step people who run the cup and they're all in the west wing and all that because of their closes ness because of their closes nes to obama, you don't have talented people who want to stay in those situations. i think we'll see a real flight of talent at all levels throughout the federal government earlier than we see it in the second term. >> because they're so clexclude? >> why stay. people are typically in government for the right reasons. they like to make a difference. and if you're not making a difference, you're being kind of systemically humiliated by the 35-year-old white house aide, the most talented people won't stay in those circumstances. >> and it really is amazing that you do have all of these talented people that have won locations and understand politics, and then you have a bunch of young people that are making all the decisions excluding you simply because of their proximity to president obama. >> and i'm curious, glenn, if you found a difference between the way that people like hillary clinton and lee on that panetta were treated versus someone like a steven chu who didn't have the national profile. >> exactly. hillary and gates flew first class, every else was not even coach, i would say steerage at certain points of time. this is a trend you see in a lot of white houses. you heard a lot of similar complaints even in the clinton white house, certainly the bush white house. if for no other reason than a lot of these guys don't have to face the congressional scrutiny. >> was there a difference as to why hillary would fly first class? >> to a certain september, hillary always represented a political thread internally and there was always that 2016 time frame. >> the exit interview that i still can't figure out. i mean i can -- >> gates, we seem to forget back in 2008/2009 time frame, before they agreed on the afghanistan surge, there was a tremendous -- that was principally what voters were questioning obama on. and without gates during those two first years, obama would not have credibly ban abeen able toe up his -- >> but even hillary was cut out of a lot of policy matters. for all her political clout, a lot of for policy decisions were made in the white house. >> and i don't think she and her team necessarily objected to that. i think we're starting to see now with the rather phrenetic kerry secretaryship a way different approach. >> why wouldn't they object to that? most secretaries of state, along with the secretary of defense and other key national secure figures, they're competing to get in on the action, to be on the forefront of major initiatives and moves, foreign policy moves. why wouldn't you want to be in the middle of it all? >> who was on the sunday shows? >> not hillary. >> who took the fau ofll after gad zi? >> you don't get involved, you don't get dirty so you can run later? >> i think that's a little reduct accou reductive, but there is some truth to it. at the time when people asked why hillary wasn't available for the benghazi sunday shows, we were told that she was tired from a foreign trip. i was told differently, that she had sort of a standing objection to doing those and really didn't want to be the face of -- >> do you think the items lasolf the west wing is getting better than previously or no change? >> i think mcdonough, obviously the jury is out and the obama care thing has distorted whatever view one would have. but mcdonough seems to have empowered he's guys more. he's doing these cabinet coffees where you basically sits down -- >> get to know your cabinet. >> and let me ask you really quickly, how does the fun house that you talked about, how does this all feed into the affordable care act and the problems that they have, the insulated style you write about how they were people that saw problems coming and actually went to sebelius and said, hey, we need to bring in outside help and she said no thanks. and you said that that's indicative of the larger problem. >> i think there is an he estrangement, there is a sense of micro managing. but i think there was a sense that you kind of let everybody do what they're doing until they get trouble. the paradox of the entire obama presidency is the guy who has presided over one of the largest expansions of the federal government doesn't necessarily have a tremendous interest in the way that it works. doesn't like to get under the hood in the same way that bill clinton did. >> politico's john harris, glenn thrush. thank you. >> we're proud of it. >>> ahead, secretary of state john kerry will join us. also virginia governor bob mcconnell. the was a truly amazing day. without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. for over 18 years we've helped people take care of the things that matter most. join today at angieslist.com [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? 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"wall street journal," conservative alternative to obama care. there has been fear among some republicans that proposing an alternative would give democrats a target and distract the public from the expected and now real failures of obama care. but the an sense of a credible alternative has been the gop's greatest weakness and probably why polls show that even many who are skeptical and concerned about obama care to not support full repeal. defenders of obama care are using the absence of republican alternative to suggest their law is the only answer to the grave problem of american health care. and that without it, millions of americans would continue to lack access to coverage. it's time for republicans to take it away. >> matt lewis, back when hillary had her health care plan in 93, 94, republicans had three alternatives. we had an alternative to the clinton budget, we had an alternative to the crime control plan. everybody had all these ideas. isn't it time for republicans to come up with one big idea? >> i think absolutely. you don't necessarily have to dwchlt make a big target to have your plan attacked. but i certainly position republicans and conservatives need to come together on a framework. there are ideas being floated out there. for example, rather than having mandates, you could have some sort of tax incentives in the tax code that would incent advise getting insurance. if you're young and healthy, you don't have to sign up for the best plan, but you could be protected in case of the catastrophic disaster. so i think republicans need to have a conservative solution that they can agree on. and that's the hard part. >> people criticize newt gingrich all these years later, but newt when he decided it was time for republicans to take over congress, he had alternatives to everything. >> like employer and individual mandates. >> oh, my gosh. where have i heard that? >> i think they're right, but it's tough. sounds easy. what do you do about people with pre-existing complains, how do they balance the insurance company. steve rattner can probably address this better than i can. it's easy to and i you ought to have an alternative when you start to frame it and craft it it's much more difficult. >> where we'll start, we'll start by telling americans that if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. i'm serious. that's where you start. >> but again as i said earlier, the whole thing has to work together. and the way that many people who have pre-existing conditions, many people whose insurance would go up for one reason or another, it will now go down because you'll enroll a the lot of people who are healthy and young and who will pay a little more.lot of people who are healthy and young and who will pay a little more. am wasn't johe wasn't joking wh employer mandate was a republican idea. p let's not forget romney care. >> very quickly, with the keep your plan thing, the op-ed talked about basically shifting away from the employer sponsored insurance which is more disruptive than what is happening in the obama care. but the bigger point is obama will be president until 2017, so any plan you're talking about won't happen until three more years. so it makes sense to work within the confines of the obama plan. >> i think first of all we have to go back -- read the book and he talks about the sense that we can't control everything. that the world is too complex. and really this is the fatal con seat, the idea that they can create this grand scheme where if you pull one they think out, the whole thing collapses. this is the danger that it will collapse under its open weight. so i do think conservatives need on have an alternative. and the truth is, yes, some of them did support the individual mandate, but i think it's simplistic and accurate to say all conservatives supported it. >> i'll give the last board to anyone who says the fatal conceit of liberalism. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. appreciate you being here. >> willie exams serious journalism with the help of a decidedly unserious journalist. sfx: oil gushing out of pipe. sfx: birds chirping. dad! dad! katy perry is coming to town. can we get tickets, tickets? hmm, sure. how many? well, there's hannah, maddie, jen, sara m., sara b., sa -- whoa, whoa. hold on. 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>> i think the rope is that we're focused on trying to solve problems and get things done and bring republicans and democrats together in order to address kitchen table issues, whether it's transportation or pension system reform or education reform. had four surpluseses s ies in . just trying on get problems solved. a lot tougher in washington. >> what is the state's unemployment rate? >> down it 5.8%. lowest in the southeast. created about 180,000 jobs. people are working together. if they're working and have greater access to the american dream, they feel good about the state. >> so you were painted in 2009 as a right wing extremist. you went there, you stayed conservative. the reason why even last week mika and i were talking about how you're a role model i'd logically for conservatives, small government conservatives that figure out how to work together with the other side. we see scott walker doing it, we see chris christie doing it. what is the secret of doing that, how do you do it without people on your own side saying you're a traitor to the cause? >> you wrote about it in your book. you said principle conservatism along with clear eyed pragmatism. politics is the art of the possible. fight hard for your principles, but you have to have the right tone. i smile a lot. >> and being a happy warrior, it goes a long way. >> it does. and the kitchen table issues. what people want to know is what will you do for me and my family, give me greater access to a bright future. and the better you make your roads, your schools, your pension system, your budget, your tax burden, the better that will be for people. and it's been a great formula in virginia and we're the number one state in the business -- number one state for business according to "forbes magazine". that means more jobs. >> that's something. >> so let's go with the ethics challenges that you've been facing. obviously the latest is the ceos of this firm that you were working with and i guess the bottom line is it looked like quid pro quo, a lot of other things, expenses run up. what do you regret, what would you like to say? >> i said that i would do things a little differently now having the benefit of hindsight. i've worked hard tirelessly for 37 years to serve the people of america and virginia. i'm not perfect. i've made some mistakes. i acknowledged those. we returned the gift, paid back loans. and get up every day and do the best job i can. >> do you agree it looks like you abused the position? >> absolutely not. i love the office. >> how would you characterize it? >> i followed the law. i accepted gifts, a lot of other governors have done the same think. but in retrospect, i understand it undermined the trust of the people in me and that's why i made the changes that i did and why i apologized and why well recommend ethics reform changes in the law. >> that would certainly clarify it. if you follow what the law of virginia has been in the past, and yet you still have all of these ethics charges filed against you and now you have the feds talking about wanting to come in, you do need to clarify. those ethics laws need to be clarified. >> i think they do. we have some of the more lax laws in the country. we have pretty open finance laws, as well, where we don't have any limits on either gifts or financial contributions. we just have full disclosure. we're a sunshine state. and for the most part -- looking back through my open situation a own situation, some of the things wren have been inaccurate or one-sided, but i don't want anyone else to go through this, so we'll have a series of reforms that we can recommend. >> i want to talk for you about terry mcauliffe. ? irish catholic man with five kids. >> maybe that explains it. joe manchin, just sitting here listening to bob mcdonnell about the state he took over, most prosperous state for business, didn't that make you miss being governor? you're in a place right now where you're not the rewarded for action. >> well, bob and i had a chance to work together because i was cycling out when bob was coming in. so we have one town in our state down in the middle of the streetses blue field virginia, blue field west virginia. so it's really quite a dynamic place and we've met there before trying to work together. and governors can do something. the tenth amendment is very clear. states have the rights to sovereignty. and i think that the experimental labs that we have there, we can show the federal government. i don't think our founding fathers ever, ever designed for this thing to be run out of washington. they designed for us to be able to do what we needed to do to show them that we are different, but we're all one. and i think it's done extremely well. and i'm probably the biggest defender of state's rights. being former governor, there are 11 former governors in the senate right now and we have a governor' conference. >> and all of them miss being governors. >> yes, we do. >> well, what are you doing to help meet things forward? you're constantly trying to pull republicans and democrats together. >> i think we have to find commonalty. >> what about with the health care plan? >> first of all, are you somebody who has been vote to go repeal it for 40 shall times or do you want to go back -- i don't want anybody in west virginia to have one catastrophe as far as health problem away from bankruptcy. destroying their lives. i don't want a person that has had a pre-existing condition not to be able to get it. i'm willing to work through this and i've put some things on the table and i would hope constructively the white house will look at that. and i've said, listen, you had a rollout problem. that's fine. we all have those problems. it should be a transitional year. you can't just keep putting it off. i said just don't put a crime or a fine to the bill this rear. let's work through it, get the products right. there is a lot we can do if we're working from a positive position. >> is the president disconnected from the senate and from the house? >> everybody has a different style. >> is the president disconne disconnected? come organization brothn, broth. >> i don't have that much -- if you're asking me -- >> when is the last time you met with him at the white house? >> the student loan bill. the one time i met -- >> you met with him one time time? but calls you -- how many times do you talk to him on the phone? >> i'm sure he's very busy. >> stop it. enough. >> so bob mcdonnell, this is the thing that fascinates republican and democratic governors. we asked chris christie early on why the success. he goes it's simple. even when i was at war with the public unions, even when i was at war with democratic interest groups, i made sure that i met with the democratic leadership once a week, would have breakfast, we'd sit and talk for a couple of hours and we became really good friends. and we worked through these tough issues. but that didn't seem to happen in washington. >> i don't understand, joe would have a better perspective, but i think there are so few days that people actually meet. in the general assembly and legislature actually under one roof debating the bills, everybody is together, you listen. there you're rarely together in the same room. i think the relationships like tip o'neill and ronald reagan had or newt gingrich and bill clinton, those kind of relationships are gone. i think it will take stateslike joe to rise up and say we have to do things for the common good. and joe is right, i think what will save america are two things. one, restoration of mr. mason's tenth amendment to realize that the power should reside in the states, not in washington. and secondly, a balanced budget amendment. until money is managed in washington like it's mappinged in people's homes, we won't get our fiscal house in order. >> and in most of the states. >> 49 out of 50 balanced budgets. >> i'm struck by something that the senator said because this is a senator who is a democrat who can talk to republicans and 067 plays the middle ground here. you say that you haven't been to the white house since you were discussing the student loan bill. you indicated that you may not be getting weekly calls from the president. does that frustrate you, do you feel like more would get done if he was reaching out to senators on a more regular basis? >> bob told you how he governs. we're involved. in the executive branch, i had to work with him every day. and i enjoyed that. i really enjoyed finding out -- and i took constructive criticism very well. and i tell them, i says i don't have all the answers. i'm not always right, but i'm not always wrong. and i don't have all the ideas. and what we're trying to do is discuss this. i says i see the big picture. if i'm governor. the president sees the bigger picture. that i might not be privileged to. i'd just like to be able to give him my thoughts. i want our president to do well. we all should. whether republican, democrat, male or female, this is our cup and this is our president. and i would hope that he or should would look at the same input as trying to be helpful. sometimes they insulate and draw back. you take 11 governors, we is been through the wars. we can bring an awful lot to that dialogue i believe.is been through the wars. we can bring an awful lot to that dialogue i believe.been through the wars. we can bring an awful lot to that dialogue i believe. and the governors in our caucus are very productive wanting to be involved. so i think there is a lot to be learned here. but yeah i'd never been against something unless i had a better idea. >> and then in terms of reviving the economy, i want to get your insight, forbes.com named virginia the best state for business in 2013. >> thank you for bringing that up again. >> and there were a couple of reasons why. what do you think the success, economic success, of your state, what do think you accomplished that you're most proud of? >> i think managing through a very tough fiscal time and the uncertainty in washington. we've had four surpluses in a row totaling $2 billion. on a bipartisan basis, we got transportation accomplished, bill first time in 27 years. fixed that in northern virginia, worst traffic in the country. 44 republicans, 43 democrats. i think my last thing i'm most pleased about is major education reform with 100,000 new degrees for our kids, tuition is only 4% this year as opposed to 10%. major k-12 reforms, more options for young people, more school choice. so i think listening to democrats and republicans in a split legislature, we've been able to move the ball forward and just solve the kitchen table issues. back to your question, turn down the rhetoric, solve problem, share credit and smile a lot. >> so what aone of the big kitc table issues obviously health care. and you're still debating whether to accept the medicaid expansion in the state the of virginia. so here is the chance to have the federal government pay between 90% and 100% of the costs of medicaid for -- of the cost of obama care for some of your medicaid recipients. so why not accept that? that's a way to -- >> i'd be shocked if they can keep that promise. the federal government is $17 trillion in debt, i'm not sure they can do it. >> do you think they wouldn't write you the check? >> they might for a year or two and then times get of ittougher they have to balance the budget. but here is the real reason. what we said in virginia is we're not opposed to it philosophically, but up we have dramatic reform in the medicaid system that has grown 1600% in 30 years from 5% to 21% of the total budget of virginia, up we have significant reforms and deal with dual eligibles and co-pays and other things and self help on your open health care, it wouldn't be responsible to do that. it's busting most budgets. you know that. and so water down the path of reform now. we've made a lot of reforms and there may be a time when that happens. but we're not there yet. >> and if i could say one thing. a lot of governors at the time this was going into effect, most of us were less than 50% coverage to the people who qualified. and they went right to 133. we had a hard time understanding. we said 100% would have been a lofty goal. so some of that, you know, there should be more waivers involved. so what works in virginia might not quite work in west virginia, but we might be able to find models that work. and that's what we're looking for, that flexibility. and the traffic in alexander is still pretty rough. >> we just passed the bill. it will take a while. people complain about construction, not congestion. >> it is kind of rough right now. but you took a lot of grief for that transportation bill p but i'll tell you what, people that commute in traffic in northern virginia, it will mean the world to them. let me finish by talking about ken coupuccinelli. there have been a thousand people blamed for his loss. we heard the ethics complaints, this will be a drag on ku cuccinel cuccinelli. we've heard women's issues. terry mcauliffe just beating about the head on abortion and several other issues. the cuccinelli camp seemed to be blaming ted cruz and the shutdown. said that did more to destroy their momentum. what do you think was the bigge biggest drag on cuccinelli's campaign? i thought the race was still a wh winnable race. >> polls were showing 10% to 12% at the last. maybe all of the above. i don't think you can put it on one thing. i do think that when that government shut down occurred, which was really not smart tactically on my party, i didn't think the president led, but i didn't think our team was smart in trying to defund obama care. which was they evnever going to. that last five weeks of the campaign had solely been a referendum on obama care and all the problems with the implementation, e i think that might have tipped it in his favor. but the shutdown didn't accomplish anything. >> and where do we go from here, do you agree with bill clinton that the president should keep his promise and tell all americans if you like your health care plan, keep your health care plan? >> we've all said things i think we'd like to take back. >> i do that every day. >> and i think on this situation here, it's pretty clear as many times as every station i've ever watched has played it, if you have it, you can keep it, if you like your doctor, you can keep it. and all we're saying myself and mary landrieu, we'll work through this. they have more than a rollout problem. there is a product problem. we have to make sure the products are there. and the market will determine that product. it's a lofty goal to try to get quality health care for every american. and if we can do that and afford it, that's great. but we have to work through and i've also asked that no crime and no fine for the one year. it will be a transitional year. all these things have to be done and work through and i think people working -- but those are people who don't want the bill at all. i said tell me what you'll replace it with. give me something. and i haven't seen that. >> look at these guys, two of my favorites here. smile for the camera. they're great. >> we used to be the same state 150 years ago. >> we didn't leave. he left. pe stayed true to the union. let me just say one thing. people have to lock in in the political arena. and that's what bob is doing, his numbers showed that. and terry mcauliffe will do a great job. >> we'll see. we love terry. we'll see. hey, nick saban, your buddy, your brother. >> my brother. >> tell him to stay in tuscaloosa until i tell him he can leave. p. >> i'll tell him. >> joe manchin, bob mcdonnell, always good to see you. coming up, a live better is view with john kerry. and up next, we'll talk to mike doyle who gave white house officials apearful yesterday about the problems with obama care. we'll ask him about that closed door meeting. plus nbc news political director chuck todd and former white house press secretary join the discussion. 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>> i'm from pittsburgh. where i come from, we're rather plain speaking people people and yesterday there was a lot of plain speaking going on with the administration. i support the bill. i fought for the bill. my committee helped write the bill. i watched many of my colleagues give up their seats for this bill because they thought it was the right thing to do and i still believe that. so you can imagine the frustration level that many of us have from this rollout. and i think what happened yesterday was an expression of that frustration and many of us feel that we told the american people if they like their insurance, they can keep it and we need to honor that. >> we understand the frustration. do you feel it was received in a way that makes you feel hopeful, gives you confidence? >> well, let me say this. on friday, there is a bill on the floor which isn't by any means a good bill in my opinion, but it's a bill on the floor that says will you allow people that like their insurance to keep it. and the miles an hoamerican peo what they see. it will be some members of congress only chance to be on the record as to whether or not people should keep their insurance. what we said is if you don't give us something else before friday, i think you'll see many democrats as a wave sending a message to the american people and the white house that we believe that needs to be fixed and it needs to be fixed now. >> robert gibbs, what would you do at this point? is it a communications problem here or a functional problem? >> it's a policy problem, not a communication problem. >> politics are always perfect. >> only meetings i was ever in was a communications problem. afghanistan, iraq -- i'm joking. here is i think one of two things that probably has to happen today and it's exactly what the congressman just said. either the white house announces a legislative or administrative fix and i think that's probably hard or supports either -- probably comes out in support of something like the landrieu bill in the senate. because one of those two things has to happen or exactly what the congress map said will transpire tomorrow. huge numbers of democrats will come out in support of the upton bill even if they don't believe that's what solves the problem. that's what people think will solve the problem. therefore that will create a lot of momentum to do something in the sghat. so i think the white house has to come out and do -- >> the train has left the station. there is nothing they can do anymore. >> are you talking about the latest polls on the president? >> no, i'm just saying on this issue. they might as welcome out and support plan trlandrieu, becaus too late. i think the message today is at this point we don't trust that you guys are going to have a magic fix. we want to -- what the congress manage just said, we want to be on the record. we want to -- we have to be on the record. they need to be on the record that they did this. not that they sat there and we had a meeting and a stern talking to. no, no. they need a vote. white house has to get out of the way. >> last week when you would talk to administration officials, they said we're looking at an administrative fix. suddenly yesterday, it was wedding who be hope to legislative or administrative. >> i think it's just a matter of time. >> i told the white house said, members of congress aren't judged by administrative fixes. they're judged by their voting records. and people want to be on the record that we made a commitment to the american people that they could keep their insurance if they like it and we want to fix that. >> is there a logistical way that the promise can be kept without undermining the law overall? >> everybody i've talked to says it undermines the law. the architect, professor who put the whole thing together, he said the landrieu bill is less bad than the upton bill, but essentially there are winners and losers. there were always going to be losers here. young healthy people were always going to be asked to pay more. it's just that nobody said it. and nobody was comfortable saying it very loud. but it was the only way this was going to work. how else do you bring down the cost for people with pre-existing conditions? >> i still think the huge 98% of the problem is the website. 98% of the problem, because -- >> you better hope so. >> it is the portal by which people go in and change their policy, get a new policy. that's what they have to fix. we've lessened the window now by a month. if cbo estimates 7 million people will sign up, we're now 6.8 -- i can't do the math. 6.84 million -- >> not hard since there are only 100,000. >> basically 6.9 million people with a month left. that will put tremendous strain on the website. the website is a giant mess to begin with and it has to be fixed. the good news for the administration is in the figures released yesterday, 846,000 people completed an application covering 1.5 million people. right? they haven't yet selected an insurance plan. the 106,000 have. so there is demand for this. there is curiosity, there is demand for health care. that's not surprising. we had tens of millions without health care. the question now is there a vehicle, the website, for them to actually do this. and if they don't tigs that, that's the big problem. >> don't you fear a narrative sets in about the website that impacts the policy? maybe they go back to the website and it's not working, so they never go back and finish. >> yes, except remember there are pen alties at the back end. at the end of the day, you have to show by the end of march that you have proof of insurance. >> and i think in the end these numbers, it's for the surprising that the numbers are 100,000 at this point. people have been told the website's not working properly. three times as many sign ups in the state exchanges as in the federal exchange. but once the website starts to function as we intend to function, i agree with robert, i think a lot of this starts to go away. >> i hope so. mike todoyle, thank you so much. great to have you on the show. stay with us. up next, we'll be joined by a lot of different guest hosts. liz cheney is out with the first television ad in her run for u.s. senate. the major issue she's taking on, we'll talk about that straight ahead on "morning joe". 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>> i'm always a little nervous. wyoming polling is a very difficult state. you would think the smaller the state the easier it would be to poll. we would say just go get a cheyenne phone book. but it is actually a very hard state to poll. i'd be very wary of something like that. i mean it's clear that she's behind. it's obvious her biggest problem which is proving that she's from wyoming. >> there was a 25 year -- >> she shez wouldays way oweays in 30 seconds. >> because that is the easiest way for enzi to go after her. >> is hillary clinton from new york? >> exactly right. and i remember when paul ryan ran for congress, he had the same issue. he was a staffer. he did an ad through the cemetery of his family to say five generations of ryans have lived here. >> that's pretty creepy. >> but it was trying to give him -- look, people want to know your roots. i ultimately think if she wins or loses, it won't be because of she's a carpet bagger. she's doing the generational thing which is smart. i don't know how 1450she'll -- >> clinton, the democratic establishment of new york wanted clinton to run for that seat. here she is running against the establishment. >> remember new york has a huge democrat registration. once hillary clinton became the nominee, it was almost certain she'd be a u.s. senator. this is trying to top ple a very popular republican. >> she always thought that enzi wasn't running again.ple a very popular republican. >> she always thought that enzi wasn't running again. she tried to force the issue and the more she did, he said, no, i'm not done. but i think that now she's caught herself in a primary. she never thought she would have a primary. >> up next, what really happened that day in dallas? 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this is sort of where we lost our innocence. >> well, in a way conspiracy theories are been part of the american dna forever. but it did accelerate after kennedy where first it was the cubans because in the 60s kate those we those were the enemies. and then the american military complex, and then the god father movies, it was the mob that huff done it. and now it's lyndon johnson. there are so many theorieses. and the fact that there is more and more information. the more we analyze, the less certain we are. >> nancy gibbs to robert gibbs. >> hello, nancy. will we ever know? i thought what was interesting about what you said is we know probably -- we're less sure because of all the information that has come out. will we ever 100% know the answer to this? >> i don't think so. and when the warren commission official report came out in 1964, two thirds of people did not accept it. by 2001, 81% of people did not think that the official report was true. so actually with more data and more facts and more evidence and we analyze the bullets and take apart the photographs and the fill and you still have fewer and fewer people thinking we had the actual answer. i don't think this case will ever be closed. >> so in the same vein, you alluded to secretary kerry's comments which i found remarkable weighing in on the kennedy assassination and disputing the warren commission report and then refusing to talk about it anymore when he was asked about it the following sunday on "meet the press". so do you have any insight as to what is in his head and why that popped out and what he is thinking? >> you know, i think it all starts with the fact that many people always believe oswald was just the wrong villain, that a monstrous crime requires a monstrous cause. even jackie kennedy at the time said her husband didn't even have the satisfaction of having been killed for civil rights. that instead it was this selly little communist. the idea that it was oswald just didn't sit well with people who thought surely it must be some bigger villain. but for secretary kerry and for many other people, the minute you start heading into the thickets of the conspiracies, you will get lost. there is no way out of that forest. so i'm not surprised that he at the present time want to get into any detail about who he thought the real culprit was. >> nancy, thank you. the new cover of "time" is the moment that changed america. nancy gibbs, thank you. >>> coming up as i said, we'll talk live to secretary of state john kerry. also senator claire mccaskill will be here. and up next, a higher mission. >> i'm very happy that i'm getting a new leg and surgery to make my bones be much better. i don't have to have pain in my leg anymore when i'm walking. >> "morning joe" highlights an incredible organization, the tleb globe and he wial medical relie. we'll show you some of the stories next. for anyone, anywhere. if you look at a khan academy video, they cover everything from basic arithmetic to calculus, trigonometry, finance. you can really just get what you need at your own pace. and so, bank of america came and reached out to us and said, "we are really interested in making sure that everyone really understands personal finance." we're like, "well, we're already doing that." and so it was kind of a perfect match. life with crohn's disease ois a daily game of "what if's". what if my abdominal pain and cramps come back? 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>> there was even -- >> usually when i tell people and use my marxist joke and said mika was raised in a marxist house, they laugh. last night they stood up and applauded. you are reaching out to a new republican party that has been bussed in from somewhere. >> there was a republican who voted for obama who stood up proudly. >> how many republicans and democrats? they say how many republican who is voted for obama and there will be like ten people applauding and being really proud of themselves for being transformative and having the courage to cross party lines and make a difference. that doesn't happen. >> no one wants to admit to it. >> in politics. >> that's my neighborhood and year when my kids were young went as saddam hussein and george bush. >> there you go. the bully in washington. >> i don't know how you do this, but we kept going and the night continued at the may flower with a politico cocktail and i cannot believe they were in the balconies. >> you know what they were asking, why sam stein, the guy -- anyway. >> the right path. there were a lot of good questions and one of the most interesting thing and the reason these crowds are see big is the timing for the book is unbelievable. it really is hitting a nerve. we will get to that more with the political boys later and a wonderful night. thank you so much for having us. congratulations. >> thanks for everybody for coming out. it was a record crowd there. it made us feel really, really good considering that sam stein could go across the street. >> we could talk more about this. there is so much bad news. >> rob sent me a telegram. from the air canada center. >> all right. here we go. when your political future is on the line, they give the white house until tomorrow to fix the problems with obama care. that's when members of the house will be voting on a bill to address the issues that concern the millions of americans who lot of their health insurance because of the law. today senator harry reid will be meeting with white house officials and fellow democrats to talk about how the party should move forward. this is following a very contentious meeting between house democrats and administration officials yesterday. one proposal includes allowing americans to keep their current plans regardless of the affordable care act until the end of 2014. >> it appears more americans have lot of their insurance than have signed up for it. with close to 850,000 applications completed, 106,000 people selected insurance plans between october 1st and november 2nd. that includes over 79,000 enrolled in a state-based exchanging for 75% of all the sign ups. more than 26,000 people are getting coverage through the federal program that breaks down to just 1% of the estimated 48 million americans without health insurance. california, a state-run exchange has the largest enrollment. florida that runs a federal program signed over 3500 people and northts successfully created. >> that's like half of north dakota. >> the budget office expected 7 million to sign up in the first year. they expected over 450,000 to sign up in the first month. >> for president obama, there is absolutely no rewhen it comes to public polling. according to fox news, 55% of americans feel the president was not being honest when it came to obama care. 50% said he knowingly lied when he said americans would be able to keep their plans and 58% thought his apology for breaking up was for political reasons. 38% said he was being sincere. >> the president obviously facing so many problems incoming from website. do you suspect that this broken promise is that most americans think it was a great challenge? >> it's a huge challenge. they had multiple challenges and they had to get things working to improve the numbers if they can. the credibility and they suffered and i think what bothers a lot of democrats is did they learn anything from this? i think this is a compl

north carolina, mr. kramer is recognized for questions. >> i'm sorry, did you say from north dakota? >> yes. >> thank you. thank you, administrator mccarthy. spend i miss spoke if i said anything other than north dakota. >> that's fine. thank you for being here today, and i want to ask some questions about the hydraulic fracking side but before i do that i want to fall upon the invitation for you to go to kentucky and wholly missing session on your way to north dakota told a listening session on new standards. would like is that my record of -- letter of invitation for you into the record if i could, mr. chairman. it just seems like in the spirit of transparency, that having these 11 listening sebastian's indices were you granted have regional offices, is okay as far as it goes but with the wonderful opportunity it would be to add some more listening sessions. so i would love to have you commit to considering to go to other place including bismarck, north dakota, spent i just want to take that that's not the extent of what we're doing. those are the major listening sessions but the regional offices in -- and our administers are bridging out to the individual states. >> i understand that what i unders

north dakota. we have red-tipped arrow with us, he is the chairman of three affiliated tribes in north dakota. sitting with him is chris faulkner, ceo of brightling energy. as i understand it, your land, sir, has got a large amount of oil reserves, you're going to go after it aggressively, is that correct? >> yes, yes, we are. it's really an important part of our development of our minerals and our natural resources. we just have been blessed to sit on top of the balkan oil formation, and oil was discovered here on these badlands in northowing. stuart: so can you tell me how much oil you can extract and how much money is going to flow into the tribes that you represent? >> we think we're going to probably go from about 850 to approximately 3,000 oil wells. and with the 850 we have just under 200,000 barrels of crude producing daily. the country of syria produces 100,000 barrels, so we're almost double that country there. so we're the number one producing oil and gas tribe in the u.s., and there's 566 federally-recognized tribes. and so, and it's because of the balkan shale, and it's because of, you know, the horizontal drilling and those technologies are able to extract this amount of high quality sweet crude from the balkan shale. stuart: are you getting any pushback from environmentalists who say that you're going to pollute the water supply or you're going to bring in a lot of noise and, you know, environmentally-dangerous things? >> yeah. there always continues to be that. you know, we're going to have, be the firs

north dakota town into an enclave of the. >> cob is called one of the extreme white supreme efforts and neo-nazis in the country. >> a white supremacist from north dakotaiscovers his roots. >> 86% european. and -- [ laughter ] 14% sub saharan african. >> how could this have happened? a black white supremacist. >> you have a little black in you. >> well, that's awkward. hey, bro. >> in today's top trender. all the wage. >> the gop -- they really don't care what the country in general thinks. >> $7.25 is totally obscene. >> what is the price that you want from these working men and women? when does the greed stop? >> three quarters of americans back a minimum wage increase. >> minimum wage just doesn't cut it for working families anymore. >> wages have to keep pace in inflation and the only people who can make a difference are voters at home. >> we already have the overwhelming majority of the american people on our side. >> joining me now, john nichols, washington correspondent of "the nation" magazine. john, profoundly, a lot of polling out there, i can't find one conservative issue that seems to be outdoing progressives' issues. this is a very progres

north dakota left the state with a big problem, a housing crisis. it spans across the entire state. joining us now the senator heidi. we have richard who owns fracking properties in north dakota. senator, great to see you again. we talked when i was down in washington. you put it off on minnesota. i don't know why you didn't take if owner ship. any way, we're really crying for you. things are going so well in northenough people and there's no housing. it's a blessing in disguise right? >> we're not complaining too much. we're pretty resilient people. we're encouraging people to look to north dakota for employment opportunities. in order to get families there, we need more housing. my main push is for single families. >> senator, i don't know at this point -- you handicap it. keystone gets built or not. >> keystone gets built. i don't think there's any reason to delay the keystone. i absolutely hope we do not delay it another construction season. as you know in my part of the country you desperately need to get shovels in the ground when spring comes. when winter comes it's hard to dig through six feet of ice. this has got to happen. allison red ford, the premiere of alberta coming at my request going to try and do pushing next week. >> unfortunately you're using common sense and jobs and benefits to the economy. you're using these reasons to think it will get okayed. do you have any reason or ta

north dakota man labeled as a white supremacist by the southern poverty law center and trying to turn to turn a remote north dakota town into an all-white onclave finds out he was biracial and all revealed live on national television. >> 86% european and -- >> give it to him. >> 14% subsuherona a african. >> sweetheart, you have a little. >> oil and water don't mix. >> hey, bro. >> oh, my goodness. >> did you hear what he called it? statistical noise. craig cobb appeared on a british-based broadcast airing in the united states. he agreed to take a dna tests and have the results revealed on air. the segment was part of the talk show's race in america series. first introduced you to cobb when we traveled to lake, northd toured the area where he bought several acres of land. he wants to develop the area into a neo-nazi-controlled and make it a safe haven for white supremacist. >> might have a bit of a problem with that now. he is a fugitive wanted in canada for willful promotion of hatred. >> sounds like quite a guy. >>> coming up, an inside look at the scene where president john f. kennedy lost his life. >> is essentially the vantage point for roy oswald that day. require the target, bam, bam, bam. >> a look at historic plaza as cnn gets ready to air a special on the kennedy association. you're about to hear from a former cia officer who says he understands why conspiracy theories exist, including that he had help. as a working mom of two young boys life could be hectic. angie's list saves me a lot of time. after reading all the reviews i know i'm making the right choice. online or on the phone, we help you hire right the first time. with honest reviews on over 720 local services. keeping up with th

north dakota, if you are going to get paid minimum wage to deal blackjack, he would not have passed that background check. he could not have don't lack tact in north dakota. yet he had a clearance that allowed him to come onto a navy base and do serious human damage. is really frustrating. we are all frustrated here with his. and i completely appreciate your privacy rules. but when you up like for this clearance, you waive your right to deceive. and every parent on this panel who deals with social media knows, if you want to know what your kid is doing, go on social media. you may think that it doesn't have the veracity of a court record, but i can tell you that, as somebody who has looked at court records repeatedly doing background checks, it certainly does. a victor is worth a thousand words. and it's heartbreaking. so we take this one example. i always fear that one example does not the case. that we have multiple examples now where we failed in the clearance system to actually fared out people who people- to ferret out who would murder coworkers but also do damage to our national security. so this is a very broad issue and a very important issue. i want to talk about self reporting and the consequences of not self reporting. i was quite honestly shocked because i am new to this committee and new to looking at government security clearances. of people iner this country who have these clearances. this is a big group. we all agree with that. are asly, random checks critical and important part of this and you see that from the bill that we introduced. that we need to make self reporting more effective as well. so i want to know if all those millions of people who have these clearances, how many have ever been discharged from the government for failure to self- report? >> we can get you that information. we don't have it with us. >> in your database, how would you know that in your -- that information? >> if, for example, someone ,ails to rip port on their form that they're just deceptive -- question either lying on their application or failing to report after a series of events that occur after the clearance. >> we will have to get you that information, but the latter is certainly a cause for revoking a security plan sand being dishonest when you fill out your form is something that you do to into consideration and decide whether to grant the clearance in the first place. >> if you're not checking local police records, you have no guarantee that, when summary checks the box saying that they have never been arrested, that they had her -- that they are the truth. >> we don't just take their word for whether they have been arrested. we do enough the eye check -- we do an fbi check. it will spit out whether someone has been arrested and then we do the follow-up and it requires work on a state-by-state races or local jurisdiction. let's remember, we are talking in his case about a secret clearance. if it was a top sear. -- if it was a top secret clearance, a would have taken a greater investigation that may have uncovered the gun part of this and speculation. >> if i can take it one step further, we are talking about revoking a clearance. what about requiring that that employment be terminated? is that one of the things that you're considering and looking at him going forward, the this person -- for contractors, that is a tough call here but for government employment, it is not enough to just revoke the clearance. i think that it should be prima facie, a case that you now lose your job. that has to be serious consequences for not reporting. the have to be serious consequences for lying. and we have to look at the number of people who are out there who are not currently self reporting because, even random checks cannot solve this problem. the have to be true consequences. i want to know how we will amp up the penalties for employees >> thatelf-report peer is absolutely what we are looking at is part of our 120- day interagency review. about anyth talking gaps in the self reporting portion as far as and active reinvestigation period. what is information that we it against measure the 13 adjudicated standards and is an awful right? that is all part of this. and then they can ability. there are not currently significant penalties for lying or not reporting adverse information. yes, it includes revocation of your clearance. an agency can suspend or debar the contractor or firm. if they think it is just a problem with that individual, they can direct that that individual network on the contract or you can suspend or bar the individual. we are looking at all the accountability measures for both federal employees and contractors to make sure that only the people who should have access to our facilities and essential information due at any given time, not just when they are at work. >> human nature being what it is, it is simply saying, well, there may -- there might be a consequence. the point that i am getting at is a mandated this will happen if you don't report. and, mr. contractor, we don't is your job to report back to us. and if you don't, black mark on you and you will not eat a government contractor very long. that is the level at which i have passion for this issue. we should not be -- when we give sealthe good housekeeping of approval, which is what this security clearances, that ought to mean something. and if they breach it, that on a be something that we consider very serious with very serious consequences. i've flogged -- i applaud your work and i would like to know who has -- how many have been discharged or disciplined for not reporting after the fact. thank you for the time. >> tough questions. tough questions. the most revealing things this morning is the realization that, while an arrest report may be part of a background check, there is not a requirement that the underlying police report he obtained. and i'll tell you why this is a shocking revelation. prosecutor as well. thatast majority of cases would reveal a mental disturbance would not have a disposition. the criminal justice system does a very bad job of adjudicating the mentally ill. really,the mentally ill from a prosecutor's standpoint, if they haven't heard anyone, putting them in prison sometimes creates more problems than it solves. so most prosecutors, when they are confronted with a mentally ill issue like someone who says they heard voices, somewhere in -- someone where the police has been called for a disturbance, someone says there are microwaves coming through the vents and someone is coming to get me, they will do a police of the time,ost the police department will even try to file charges. that is a disturbance call that is related to someone who in their minds they do this all the time. something that, especially in a city as large as seattle or as large as kansas city or as large as st. louis, that kind of disturbance call or someone is making a racket because they are mentally disturbed, it must be taken to the prosecutor for disposition. in fact, we are horrific in this country to even getting that person the mental health services. and the vast majority of the shootings are not going to be around the issue of whether or not has shown violent and sees or whether they have shown tendencies of a mental issue. the notion that we are saying, well, if the police did harm and will give us a report, we have checked the box. i think if you do a gut check on this issue, we will realize that a lot of the work we have been doing around this has been checking boxes. outt it that we can't go and do one-on-one and politically thread -- and pull every thread on every application. ithough, if we did that come would be so expensive that we would be more decisive about who gets them. but the notion that you're calling what you are doing quality control, ms. camp when, is offensive. because i think there is a lot of checking boxes going on. was this report obtained? yes. was this report obtained? yes. but i have a problem with is, even on a random basis, a more thorough anexamination. i'm glad to hear the you have a working group. what i like to see us do as a committee is asked for some specific recommendations on who is getting clearances and are they all necessary? and all of this is risky. we can say that we're doing too many and then we can have a bad thing happen and then we will be back you're saying why didn't they have a security clearance? on the other hand, what we're doing now is the worst of all situations because we are giving all of thesen that millions of people who have security clearances, we've checked them out. we are confident that they are mentally stable? they're not criminals? and they'll be alive. follow the law. we have no clue that that's true. this is a pro forma process with contractors. the reason why they are off the reservation is because they bid an amount and that contractor wanted to make money and now it's time to cut corners. you wanted to make your number and you wanted to make money, you didn't have to do the whole thing. just turn it in and pretend like you did. so i agree with the chair in the ranking member that this is time for all of us to really quit nibbling around the edges on this thing and let's get to the meat of the matter. giveg that seattle doesn't a police report, that dog doesn't hunt in this context. that just as a work. my subcommittee has learned -- that just doesn't work. i subcommittee has learned that there are a lot of felons on installations. we have learned that the navy was giving these contractors 28 temporary passes at the get-go without any checks on anybody. is that true? a dods was the subject of i.t. report and the navy has look into these pacific circumstances. 50believe there were about people identified who were convicted felons who were given access without the proper checks. and the navy has taken corrective action, removing individuals who do not want access from the installation. in other instances, given the eighth that some of the felony convictions were quite old. and made a decision to allow them to continue to have access to your but the fundamental issue is there was a failure to conduct the required checks for installation access and the navy has taken corrective action on that. >> so no more temporary passes? >> the passes would have to be based on the required checks. the national criminal investigative check as well as the terrorism database checked. that would bring up a felony conviction. -- iswhat you are doing there a different status for a certain kind of past than for america -- for a permit past? are you saying there doing something before a temporary pass are they getting the full complement of checks? >> for installation access, there are two basic criteria. one is someone who will be on the installation on a temporary basis. those individuals require a degree of vetting, a check against the terminal records and a terrorism database check. for individuals who are to have ongoing access, there is a requirement for a national agency check with written inquiries and other checks, which is the minimum standard for that issuance. the problemrected that someone is getting temporary passes without a background check. >> yes. >> is going on in other branches, temporary checks without background checks? the -- weengaged at are engaged with the components. >> i would like to get a report back that this is not going on in any of the other branches. >> just one follow-up for information, who made -- whoever made the decision to allow that to happen to go around? were there any consequences to that individual who made this decision? >> there is an ongoing navy review what her at the navy yard that they to include all of the aspects that went into that. that is an ongoing review. youould we hear back from when the review is completed as far as the consequences to the person who made that decision? >> the navy review, the overall dod reviews and other reviews that are being conducted will be brought together in an omb final for overarching security practices and i expect that to be part of the review. >> my specific question is a report back to the committee -- was somebody held accountable for going outside curve? , count a real problem ability and federal government. it's accountability. and all i want to know is what were the results? did we hold whoever made that decision accountable? >> senator portman, please. welcome. >> thank you, chairman. this has been constructive. we have raised 11 troubling issues. we have yet to hear from senators who have a lot of interest and background in this. we have held some hearings. in june, we held one regarding background investigations, the inability of european general to audit and the background investigation process. that is where the score echoes developed. just a couple of weeks ago, we got off the senate floor and it does fix the i.t. issue. i know, brenda, you worked with us on that and we want to continue to follow that and make sure we get that cleaned up. we have another hearing in a few weeks. to continue looking at this issue and others. senator tester was here earlier. we will stay on this at the subcommittee level. i will focus on something that i think it is critical if we are really going to get at this issue. i guess the tragic example recently at the navy yard is the unfortunate effect example of it. but it's not a new issue. it's this whole issue of continuous evaluation. and whether it is the five-year cycle or the 10-year cycle. this is to me the critical issue that we are missing. just with regard to the navy yard, but with this regaled her case and ricky alder in 2012 shot and killed a commanding officer at fort reg and then -- at fort bragg and then turn the weapon at himself. it was reminiscent of aaron alexis. his background investigation was done in 2006. over the next five years, he was charged twice with assault, one with dui hit-and-run, once for aggravated assault, none of which was reported in his personal security chain. and alexis, similar, after receiving security clearance, he received nonjudicial punishment another nonjudicial punishment for being drunk and disorderly and arrest for firearm discharge. multiple law enforcement interactions, both military and civilian. a month prior to the incident that would have highlighted his mental health problems, and none of these triggered a re- evaluation to his access of classified material, classified facilities, none of those. and i think this is -- i mean, every issue raised here today is important, but if we can't get to this, the interim period between a clearance and, again, whether it's a five or 10-year cycle, i think we'll continue to have these tragic instances. in 2005, interesting, a year before ricky elder enlisted in the army, two years before aaron alexis enlisted in the navy, the seven years to the date before ricky alder's deadlty -- deadly attack, the department of defense testified to this committee, and this was in june of 2005, about the automated continuous evaluation system. and you all said you are going to continuously evaluate the background. mr. prioletti, in your written statement, you noted three years earlier in 2008 -- three years later, from the 2005 testimony you gave before his committee, -- this committee, president bush directed by his executive order that an individual who is -- shallfor classified be subject to continuous evaluation. that was an executive order back in 2008. i know we heard today, we're working on this. we heard we have an interagency working group. we're developing a concept of operations. i wrote this down. we're doing research. this has been going on now for a decade. a decade. if you testified in 2005, was going on in 2004, maybe more than a decade. so here we are. it's five years after the executive order, eight years after this committee heard about the plans, and we're dealing with the tragedy at the navy yard. i don't know who would like to talk about it. mr. lewis, maybe you can talk about d.o.d. by the way, you're talking about putting something in place but not for another three years and then it would be d.o.d. only. so i guess i'd like to hear what is happening. and mr. lewis, since d.o.d. is trying to take the lead to get this in place, i see from the technical report on the project there have been some pilot projects. you have 3600 personnel records that have been searched, and it is working. some have had clearances suspended or revoked due to derogatory discoveries. your search algorithms have found problems. buff 3,600 people is a drop in -- but 3,600 people is a drop in the bucket when we have over five million people with security clearances. this has been 10 years that we have told that lessons learned is being incorporate understood database that will be in place in 2005, and here we are 2013. taxpayers have paid $11 million -- $11.6 million for this i don't know what the development costs are. we're trying to find out. or the cost after 2014 to fully demonstrate its capability at d.o.d. so can you explain the reasons why this capability will take over a decade to field? can you give us some sense of a total cost for this and what it's going to cost to field it over at the department of defense? >> i can't speak to the total cost. i would have to come back with that information, but i can give you a status of how the automated continuous evaluation system is being used. it has the capability of flagging concern. so that's an existing capability. as you mentioned, it was used in an army project. out of 3,300-odd individuals, a total of 100 personnel actions were taken as a result of information identified during those queries. in addition, the defense security enterprise is developing a continuous evaluation concept demonstration, which would take this a step further. so aces, the automated continuous evaluation system, does a one-time snapshot in time query, this concept demonstration would have real time updates so that as information became available it would be pushed into the system. and the concept demonstration is currently scheduled to run from april to october of 2014. april to october of 2014. the anticipated population would be 100,000 cleared military, civilian and contractor personnel. and so we're anxiously looking forward to completing that concept demonstration. in their interim, we're using aces for continuous evaluation checks. again, testing the concept, getting more validation. looking at things like privilege users and some other groups of contractor employees. so this is an ongoing effort. we get results from it on a regular basis. and we are looking to take that to the next level in terms of a true continuous evaluation, which would give feedback to the system as it is developed. so if an individual gets arrested tomorrow, the system would push that back to d.o.d. instead of waiting for d.o.d. to make that query. >> you weren't here in this job nine years ago when we heard that it was going to be in place by 2005, but you're here now. and so, you know, one question i could ask you is, why has it taken so long? and you might say, i don't know. i wasn't in charge. but you're in charge now, and you're saying that you're going to have this fully operational in three years, is that correct? >> for the automated continuous evaluation system, as it currently stands, it is -- it's an operational system. it's still in a research and development mode, but it is an operational system. the limits right now -- i mean, when i say operational -- >> i mean, when i say operational, i mean it would cover more than a small percentage of people in between their clearances. you're talking about taking it from 3,600 to 100,000. how many security clearances do you have at d.o.d.? >> we have 2.5 million people who are eligible and in access for classified information. >> when will we cover those people? >> this -- the system, and one of the things we're examining is can we expand the capability of the system to handle that larger volume? and that is a work in progress and something we could -- >> do you think it's important? >> we, we do -- yes, we do. we need to address what happens between investigations. >> so what are you looking for in order to get this done? you're going to get back to us as to what the costs are. >> yes. >> have you sought additional funding? are you thinking that's the problem? >> it's a question of having the right criteria in place to conduct the evaluations and then what we do with the data once it's generated from the system. how you evaluate that and how you take action based on that. >> my time is up and i apologize, mr. chairman. i think we've got to have some answers on this. if it we don't fix this problem, the initial clearance is incredibly important. we need to get arrest records. in the case of aaron alexis, it was clear as day. yet, there was no system to incorporate that data. and so i -- to mr. prioletti and the intel side, i want to hear what you're doing, too. we don't have time but i hope you get back in writing what you're doing. we're talking about d.o.d. here. finally, i hope g.a.o. can help us on this to establish some metrics, let's come up with a timeline that makes sense. if you're looking for additional resources, let us know. if it's going to take another 10 years, because we're doing more pilots and more research and so on, that is unacceptable. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, senator. senator coburn and then i'll wrap it up. >> mr. jordan, can you explain to me the difference in the fieldwork contract and the supply services contract you have with usis? one. two, are contractors completing background investigations and are other contractors validating the completeness of those investigations? are these contractors from the same company? >> i can answer the second part. opm is better suited to answering the second part. yes, contractors perform background investigations, yes, contractors can perform quality reviews on those investigations but only government employees make a determination as to whether to grant security clearance to someone. >> but my question is, is it the same company that's validating the work of their colleagues doing the investigation? is that correct? >> i'd have to defer to o.p.m. >> no. the companies that are doing the investigations have an only -- have an obligation under the contract to also do a quality review, but then we do another quality review. and the purpose of their quality review is we would like them to catch errors before the file gets to us but we do a quality review as well. >> so o.p.m. is the final validator of the completeness of the investigation? >> to some extent. i think another thing that validates the completeness of the investigation, it gets sent to an adjudicator who may want more information. ultimately it's a collaborative effort. they may send something back to us but we are the arbiter of whether we have provided an adequate investigative product. >> is every investigation validated by you? >> every investigation is reviewed for quality. >> by o.p.m.? >> yes. >> one other question, then i'll submit the rest of my questions. there's a fund where you charge agencies for this. there's $2 billion in it. has it ever been audited? >> i've told it has not by the o.i.g. because they told us they don't have the resources which is why we're supporting their request to draw from the revolving fund to give to them the resources they need to do that. >> thank you. >> i suspect you'll have to -- have a number of questions for the record. thank you for your answers so far today. today at 12:00, we have a new senator being sworn in and we'll start voting beginning around 10 minutes after 12:00. we'll wrap up here about 12:20. the last question i'll ask each of you, and you'll have a chance to think about it. sometimes i say, when you see something awful has happened and you hope some good will come of it, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. a few things could be much worse than losing -- few things could be much worse than losing a loved one. 11 families lost loved ones in a navy yard not far from here. they would like to know something good will come out of something that was awful for them. i think the american people feel that way as well. one of the last things i'll ask you to do is to reflect on what you have said here today or heard here today and give those families some assurance that out of the tragedy they've suffered through, some good will come and what that might be. -- just know that's coming, ok. >> i just want to follow up, when you say o.p.m. validates, do you use a contractor to validate? >> federal employees. we do a quality review. it is all fought -- federal employees. so it is federal employees who do a validation on the background information that comes in? >> yes. >> i want to come back to, i think, a question was maybe asked by senator ayotte and senator highcamp and i want to give you a chance to respond to it. i think it dealt with using social media and the continuous evaluation program. could you give us some thoughts on that briefly, please? >> yes, senator. what i was referring to there is, we are seeking to provide as much of the comprehensive capabilities as possible in the overall investigation of the individual. the more information we can gain, the more enlightened the decision can be on whether or not to grant the access to classify or access to a sensitive position. one of the obvious sources, potential sources of information is social media. publicly available electronic information. what i refer to in terms of the research with the idea -- was the idea that we need to look at both what possible sources of information are out there, which ones would be of most benefit to provide adjudicatively relevant information and how do we do that in the best way to protect the personal rights of the individual as well as the veracity and the coverage of the united states government? >> ok, thank you. a couple of questions, a series of questions, if i could, for youing before i ask the questions let me just make a short statement, but when an investigator fails to discover or disclose crucial information during a background investigation, that's an obvious failure. what could be more troubling is the report that efforts by agencies to measure and improve the quality of investigations have fallen short. the office of personnel management is supposed to review the investigative file and make sure it meets minimum standards. the agency responsible for granting security clearance also has a responsibility to review the file. yet when g.a.o. looked into what o.p.m. and others were doing in 2008 to review the quality of background investigations, it found almost 90% of the reports that d.o.d. was using to evaluate an applicant for a security clearance were missing required documentation. three questions. first, how often were agencies making a security clearance decision without having all of the required information? and what motive did agencies have for doing this? that's the first question. >> the answer is, we do not know because g.a.o. performed thisage -- this analysis of the completeness of the documentation in 2006 and 2009. so, we did not know outside of dod the information you're asking for. this is the type of oversight that we're saying is needed. >> all right. second question. what type of information is missing? can you give us some idea? >> employment verification and discussions with the employers. social references, especially the number of social references in order to determine someone's character. completeness of the application which should be the very first step as we noted before which should be done before you move forward. >> thank you. the third question, has g.a.o. had an opportunity to take another look at the issue since 2008? if you have, has there been any noted improvement? >> we have continued to monitor o.p.m.'s actions to implement ea the recommendation we made at that time. as i noted in 2010, we were very encouraged that there was agreement among o.m.b., o.p.m., d.o.d. and the d.n.i. as far as metrics of the quality of the investigation. there was somewhat of a plan to move forward beyond that. we have continued to monitor but at this time, all we know is that that plan has fallen apart. >> ok, thank you. my next question would be for mr. pieletti and mr. lewis. -- prioletti and mr. lewis. according to some news reports, the company that hired alexis, a company called the experts, had phoned his hotel room in rhode island in august saying he was unstable and that the company was bringing him home. according to news reports, the human resources director of question the experts talked to the mother of aaron alexis on august 9 and she informed the company of her son's past pair paranoid behavior and stated he probably needed therapy. i would ask first of all if the company had hired alexis had become aware of the increasingly troubled behavior, do you think the contractor should have a duty to report the behavior to the department of defense? and did they report it? >> senator, in this particular case that you just described, in terms of a national security perspective, it behaves everyone -- it behooves anyone to report any unusual activity they see, whether it be a colleague, a co- worker or a subordinate that works for you. >> and the second half of my question was, did they report it? >> to the best of my knowledge, sir, it was reported to the mother, as you described there. i am not positive whether or not they reported it to d.o.d. >> i ask both you and mr. lewis to answer that question for the record. i'll give mr. lewis a chance to answer it right now. >> the contractor is required to report any derogatory information coming to their attention regarding a cleared employee. the defense security service has done a followup review at the experts and they've determined that the company was aware of the indications of mental instability on mr. alexis' part and they failed to report that information. >> all right, thank you. mr. lewis, stay with this area of questioning, what do you think should be the role of d.o.d. contractors in monitoring the suitability of their employees to hold a clearance? >> this is part and parcel of their responsibilities as a cleared contractor. as a prerequisite for getting a company cleared, they must execute a security agreement and part of that security agreement is the national industrial security program operating manual. they have been required to do this literally for decades. this is an established process and contractors must execute that responsibility. >> ok, thank you. i ask you to think about a question, i'll give you a little time to think about it, what can you say to those who lost their loved ones, their husbands, their wives, their moms and dads, brother, sister, what can you say to them that might give them some comfort to know that out of a horrible tragedy in their lives, our country's life, what can we say today to make them feel some good is going to come out of this? mr. jordan. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i would first say we owe the survivors of this tragedy and the american people a comprehensive and thoughtful review. what information do we look at? when do we review people in the suitability and security clearance process? how can we improve on all these aspects? the review i talked will be done donelked about will be collaboratively. the reviews, the department of defense reviews and the overarch review, which all our agencies are involved in. this will not be a siloed effort. we will act on any improvements as quickly as possible. where there are gaps, we will close them. where there were failures we'll correct them. if i was one of the families of the victims, i wouldn't just want to hear about processes and procedures. i would have some concerns that there's a blue ribbon type creation as opposed to actual improvements to prevent this happening again. i would just say to them, i live near the navy yard. on the morning of september 16, my wife and my 2-year-old son were playing in a park across the street when they were cleared by police as the tragedy was unfolding in the navy yard. we lost a husband of a senior member of our acquisition community. i would tell them that getting this right is personal to me and we will to everything we can to -- we will do everything we can to i improve our processes and everything under our power to make sure nothing like this happens again. >> good, thank you. >> of course i would echo what joe said. our hearts were broken that day for the families and for the folks we lost, the federal employees and the contractors and i think in addition to what joe said, this is getting attention at the highest levels. the president is the one that ordered that review and i am sure and i know that he feels very strongly in the same way that joe just articulated that this was an awful loss and we have to do whatever we can to prevent it from happening again. >> thank you. mr. prioletti. >> i would like to echo the comments of director kaplan and mr. jordan. there are no words to describe this loss. both to this nation as well as to the family members who are sitting behind us. but i can give you a guaranteed commitment from not only the dni but each of us at this table that we will continue to work to find a solution. this is an evolutionary process as we find gaps in our processes and the way we do our business, the techniques, the available information we will continue to , utilize those to come up with the best possible process to improve how we do our business on behalf of the u.s. government as well as the u.s. citizens. >> thank you, sir. >> in addition to what my fellow witnesses have had to say, i would just add that we need to make a commitment and effectively ensure that what happens between investigations is something that is tracked. we vet people, we trust them with our classified information and access to sensitive facilities and we have an obligation to ensure that we're looking at people between investigations and taking appropriate corrective action as needed. >> thank you. >> i would say it's unfortunate that the tragedies we saw at the navy yard focuses attention on this process but we have seen the dedicated leadership from these executive branch agencies in the past and when they make their minds up to take on a problem and solve it they do it. and now is the time for actions, not just review. >> a lot of folks in the room know that the general accountability office, g.a.o., is regarded as a watchdog. an arm of the legislative branch of our government to be a watchdog for really the whole expanse of the federal government is a huge job. we have a lot of people to do it, probably not enough. but we need your can't continued -- we need your continued vigilance to help us do our job, and that's the oversight role. i think probably the most two most quoted things ronald reagan ever said, one, he said to mr. gorbachev, mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall, at the berlin wall and it was torn down. he also used to say when he was trying to negotiate reductions in nuclear arms with the soviet union, he would say, trust but verify. all of us on this committee, our staffs as well, trust you. we trust the good will of the folks with whom you work, who are responsible for carrying through on these reforms to make sure it's not just words but actions to back it up. so we are trustful. but we're going to be doing some verification along the way. ms. kaplan, as you go off to your next assignment, we wish you well. and we again appreciate the time you've given being with us today. even more, we appreciate the help of those who follow you and those who make sure that these words, that this promise is a her words, that this promise is a promise we keep. -- to make sure that these words, that this promise is a promise we keep. that having been said this hearing is adjourned. thanks so much. 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in gambling in north dakota, if you were going get paid minimum wage to deal blackjack, he would not have passed that background check. he could not have dealt blackjack in north dakota. but yet he had a clearance that allowed him to come ton a navy base and do serious, serious human damage. and so it's really frustrating. we're all frustrated here with this process, and i completely appreciate your privacy rules, but when you apply for this clearance, you waive your right to privacy. and every parent on this panel who deals with social media knows if you want to know what your kid is doing go on social media. you may think it doesn't have the voracity of a court record, i can tell you as somebody who looked at court records repeatedly doing background checks, it certainly does. and, you know, a picture is worth a thousand words. it's heart breaking, and so we take this one example and i always fear that one example does not prove the case. but we have gotten multiple examples now where we failed in the clearance system to actually for the out people who do damage to the -- damage coworkers -- murder coworkers but also damage to the national security. it's a very bro

north dakota rise? without objection. mr. cramer: thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, wayne and lee anne operate a ranch in north dakota. they've never been active in politics but a recent letter from their insurance company has changed all of that. for their letter informed them that they'd be losing their health care coverage due to the excessive regulations of obamacare. mr. speaker, 36,000 north dakotans are receiving similar cancellation notices, similar to that of wayne and lee anne. each of these figures on this poster represents over 1,200 north dakotans just like wayne and lee anne. on the other hand, only 30 north dakotans have been able to sign up for obamacare through the first month. not 30,000, not 3,000, not even 300, mr. speaker, 30. each figure on this part of the graphic represents one north dakotan able to sign up. mr. speaker, in north dakota, like much of america, a man's word is his bond. we must help the president make good on his promise and pass the keep your health plan act tomorrow. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. for what purpose does the gentleman from michigan rise? without objection. mr. camp: today i rise on behalf of the people i represent in michigan who are feeling the real impact of obamacare. they're paying more for health care losing the coverage they have and li