so when i was growing up in the ninety's in north korea that's when those korea's economy was collapsing and they were start providing the food and the pop and rationed to us so people had to find their ways to survive which means in gauging in black market that through brown market the people was able to get in the smuggled the black d.v.d.'s from china so i was you know i was are so lucky to be able to access this are so the information and i remember for the 1st time watching a movie take cannick and as a young girl watching titanic it would is a complete shock that i just couldn't believe why anyone in this word you know make a movie out of such a shame for a story in school idea in the learn about juliet everything there are learned in garment of was being all revolutionary and dying for the regime and suddenly you you see young movie made the arrow by this chamber story and at the end of men by for the woman and i never seen anything like that and that's her and i started to really fear that maybe in our though our side the world is not the monstrous and scary place and also maybe

in north korea by the virtue of who he is. it has also always been true that the military is the primary arm that kim jong-un requires in order to maintain control of north korea. powerful, but at the same time, the military has always been very subservient to kimand wanting to make sure is ultimately the person who will protect the regime and protect their power. it is a nasty balance that has been maintained in north korea for a long time. if anything should happen to kim, it will raise serious issues that north korea has never had to deal with in the past. for that reason, it becomes a security threat for us. mr. secretary, thank you so very much for being with us. that is leon panetta, former secretary of defense and former white house chief of staff. great to have you with us. coming up next, robert to mel -- ummel ish with us. this is "balance of power" on bloomberg television and radio. ♪ david: this is "balance of power" on bloomberg television and radio. the oil markets are in total chaos. yesterday we saw the histori

and we also have to remember that north korea is really a closed media environment all media north korea's state media and any foreign journalists that do have offices in north korea are tightly controlled in terms of what they can report lots of rumors flying around lots of uncertainty that what does it mean for the stability in the region. well we have to remember north korea is you know has a nuclear weapons program it's under you know sanctions from the united nations so there is an antagonistic relationship with the international community there and also concerns about potential instability in north korea without a firm sort of successor perhaps in place there and remember north korea is a buffer state between south korea which has 30000 u.s. troops here and china so if there was some type of instability to emerge in north korea it could likely be another area of competition great power competition between the u.s. and china frank smith reporting from seoul thank you very much. and now a quick look at some of the other stories making headlines today officials in the democratic

we're all exercising a lot of speculation especially concerning the decision making process within north korea but you know back in 2011 this old house 80 of our access into north korean governments was laid bare kim kim jong il died the leader of north korea kim jong un's father kim jong il died it was 2 days later when you north korea announced it on their news show that we found out so they are very successful in preventing any information that they don't want out to get out. all right journalist frank smith a speaking to us there from seoul thank you frank thank you so much for joining us . are you coming up our 1900. 10 demick on south africa and don't forget you can always get the latest updates on our website at www dot com or follow us on twitter at news thank you for watching. combating the corona pandemic. where does research stand. what are scientists learning. background information and news. hour corona. good 19 special and next on d w. 9 pm and if. at any time any place using news if you have nothing to.

now on bbc news, our world: north korea's celebrity defectors. e are 30,000 north korean defectors currently living in south korea. most have fled the brutal regime of kimjong—un in the hope of a better life. but many feel isolated in south korea. now, some north koreans have found success in turning their defector status into a career. but will south korea everfeel like home? yu hyun—joo has been living in south korea since 2004 when she fled the north. she is on her way to the set of one of the country's most popular tv shows. now on my way to meet you is a weekly show all about north korea. hyun—joo has been a guest on the show since it first launched in 2011. each week, guests tell stories about life in north korea... singing ..and sing traditional north korean songs. singing hyun—joo had a relatively good life in north korea. her mum was a canteen manager in a local factory. at the age of 29, she decided to leave north korea. hyun—joo paid a broker to take her from north korea to beijing, and then to hanoi. from there, she got a flight to sou

korea. now, some north koreans have found success in turning their defector status into a career. ll south korea everfeel like home? yu hyun—joo has been living in south korea since 2004 when she fled the north. she is on her way to the set of one of the country's most popular tv shows. now on my way to meet you is a weekly show all about north korea. hyun—joo has been a guest on the show since it first launched in 2011. each week, guests tell stories about life in north korea... singing ..and sing traditional north korean songs. singing hyun—joo had a relatively good life in north korea. her mum was a canteen manager in a local factory. at the age of 29, she decided to leave north korea. hyun—joo paid a broker to take her from north korea to beijing, and then to hanoi. from there, she got a flight to south korea. kang nara is one of the biggest north korean youtube stars. she was still at school when she decided to flee the regime. nara lives in a tiny apartment in seoul with her mother and stepfather. herfather and brother don't want to defect. according to the unification minist

nuclear weapons program it's subject to sanctions from the united nations security council and north korea itself is something of a buffer state between south korea a strong u.s. ally with u.s. troops here and china any sort of instability in north korea is going to represent another area of superpower competition between china and the united states frank smith from voting for us from cell thanks very much. here's a look at some of the other stories making headlines around the world dozens of inmates have rioted at a prison in argentina's capital want to sign a is that demanding improved health measures ofter a coronavirus case was confirmed in the facility several other riots have broken out in argentinean prisons in recent days making one in my dead. officials in the democratic republic of congo say at least 17 people have been killed in an attack at the national park the park which is known for its mountain gorillas has frequently been threatened by militias and poachers so far no group has claimed responsibility. muslims around the world have begun marking the holy month of ramadan und

nuclear weapons program it's subject to sanctions from the united nations security council and north korea itself is something of a buffer state between south korea a strong u.s. ally with u.s. troops here and china any sort of instability in north korea is going to represent another area of superpower competition between china and the united states frank smith from voting for us from south thanks very much. now a quick look at some of the other stories making headlines commemorations have been held to mark the 105th anniversary of the armenian genocide with traditional events canceled due to the coronavirus on manias paid tribute to the victims at home a mania calls the killings a genocide a claim supported by many countries including germany rejected by turkey. dozens of inmates have rioted at a prison in argentina's capital one of cyrus demanding improved health measures after a coronavirus case was confirmed in the facility several other riots have broken out knowledge and 20 in prisons in recent days leaving one inmate dead. well some sport and the coronavirus pandemic has hit the wor

now these images show kim's last appearance in north korea state media on april 11. since then a south korea newspaper reports that he allegedly received a cardiovascular procedure the next day because of excessive smoking, obesity and over work. three days later he was absent for north korea's most important holiday. anniversary of the birth of the country's founder. his grandfather. another u.s. official tells cnn concerns about the north korean leader health are credible. the severity is hard to assess. joining me now is seen your adviser with the international crisis group. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me back. >> south korea and china insist kim jong un is not ill. but we are hearing he could be in grave danger after under going some sort of surgery. what are you hearing about his health? >> i'm hearing mixed views as well. but i think we need to be extremely careful and cautious when ever you hear the rumors and thinly sourced information about the health of any kim loerd. we have been here many times before and have been wrong before. bu

is there anything different happening in north korea?: there is nothing we can confirm on chairman kim jong—un's health, but as the national security council standing committee has said, it confirmed there is no unusual movement in north korea. that stance is still valid. next — does the fact we've not seen or heard from kimjong un mean anything? this is the last time kim jong un was pictured in the state newspaper — on april 12, attending a meeting of the politburo the day before. we know he missed high—profile events such as his grandfather kim il—sung's birth anniversary on 15 april and a 12 april session of north korea's parliament — which isn't really a parliament, but that's a different story. state media also failed to report a 14 april weapons launch — that would usually dominate coverage had kim been present. all of which may suggest something is wrong. but remember, this is a guy who back in 2014 didn't appear for a0 days, then reappeared — with a cane. and we still don't know what happened then. and listen to this from profess

the most sensitive topic inside north korea. and so we may continue to hear lots of conflicting stories and rumors until we get facts from the north koreans themselves, or at least their version of the facts. >> will, stay with us. let's go to paula now. just stay with us, will. but, paula, one indication that there could be trouble, uncertainty within north korea, some kind of mobilization of the military. seeing that at this point? or anything which would raise concerns? >> at this point, no, john, we haven't seen anything like that. but it -- it's right. this is one of the first things that the south korean officials look for. defense ministry doesn't have a comment at this point. but the blue hats, the presidential office here in seoul, does say that they have seen no abnormal activity within north korea, at this point. could be referring to military, as well. but they also said they have nothing to comment on when it comes to this reporting. but when it comes to the military, it is interesting that we have seen kim jong un q

into a more modern 21st century north korea. the image that most people have of the north is of a famine-stricken economically hobbled country where the people are starving. it is bizarre, it is isolated. but what we have seen in the past few years under kim jong-un's rule, which he has very much amplified is that you have smartphones. you have laptops. you have women wearing fashionable clothing. there are water parks and amusement parks. skyscrapers. so these are things that kim has really accelerated, these developments kim has really accelerated over the years indicate to the extent, to the degree to which he wants to have a more modern north korea to show to the outside world and to his people. and i also think that he fears his people as much as he fears the united states. and that all of these luxury items and all of these hopes and aspirations he's trying to have with the emerging -- with an existing consumer society is that north koreans can have it all in north korea. they don't have to look elsewhere. >> but do they h

where does north korea live right next to the country where the corona virus originated now north korea's did not get it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously course johnson did so you know a do we have a smoking gun here that something is a raw you know should we expect that something will happen tomorrow probably not but again i want to emphasize because of the focus on 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but it north korea at the leader dies in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is join an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about that before it happens rather than after it happens so jim we talked out a little bit about condolence health so let me ask you what is the status of north korea's health system what sort of treatment could can john expect in a country. well i think it's mixed obviously he's going to get the best health care of anyone in that country bar none and

all exercising in a lot of speculation especially concerning the decision making process within north korea but you know back in 2011 this opacity of our access into north korean governments was laid bare kim kim jong il died the leader of north korea kim jong un's father kim jong il died it was 2 days later when you north korea announced it on their new show that we found out so they are very successful in preventing any information that they don't want out to get out. all right journalist frank smith a speaking to us there from the soul of thank you thank thank you so much for joining us. now the media watchdog reporters without borders fears the coronavirus endemic could pose a threat to post press freedom around the globe the warning comes as the group publishes its annual press freedom index a list of countries ranked according to how freely their media are allowed to operate throughout the day we're speaking to international activists and journalists to find out about the situation in their countries but 1st a look at how different nations are faring. at the bottom of the table eritre

that is because we see so little of what is meaningful behavior from north korea. ned before, they are sort of trolling, playing with us. north korean leaders have missed demands. then they showr up three or f weeks later. if cam ward a pop back up in two weeks, -- kim were to pop back up in two weeks, it would not be n ordinary from north kore they don't tell us a great deal and they don't care that we won't know. may have heard about t south korean official who said kim jong-un was alive and well. article responded, laura -- our correspondent, laura bicker, can help us with this. >> the advisor has gone even further. he saidd kim jong-un is alive well. it is worth noting the advisor is not a member of the presidential team and he is not privy to any ielligence ratings. -- intelligence briefings. >> what about the rumor kim jujong-un has been d in initial test or has been quarantined because his no evidence of that.19? we also need to look at the chinese angle. over the weekend, reuters cited unnamed sources saying a team of chinese doctors traled to north korea to

all exercising in a lot of speculation especially concerning the decision making process within north korea but you know back in 2011 this old hassid the of our access into north korean governments was laid bare kim kim jong il died the leader of north korea kim jong un's father kim jong il died it was 2 days later when you north korea announced it on their news show that we found out so they're very successful in preventing any information that they don't want to get out. all right journalist frank smith a speaking to us there from seoul thank you frank thank you so much for joining us now virgin australia the country's 2nd largest airline has gone into voluntary administration that means that administrators have been called in to restructure the airline find potential buyers and save some of the 10000 jobs at risk coronavirus travel restrictions have made virgin debt problems worse the airline had been struggling to repay around 3000000000 u.s. dollars of debt runways packed with planes going nowhere with no one the writing has been on the wall for some time now covert 19 has claimed its

i mean, the state of medicine in north korea is not terribly good. at this stage, nobody knows. i do think the united states command in korea is ramping up their surveillance to get some hint of what is going on. so far from my sources, the people i know in korea, no one knows any better than the north koreans and the north koreans are not talking. >> quite a mystery. we'll have you back on about it, major general robert scales. now retired. thank you so much for your service to our country. we love having you on. >> thank you, liz. elizabeth: same here. love having you on. okay, just ahead we'll stay on the tara reade story. it has major implications for the 2020 race. it is gaining traction. we're going to debate next why much of the mainstream media now accused of silence on this. we're bringing in christopher bedford. he is senior editor at "the federalist." he will weigh in on this next. ♪. save hundreds on your wireless bill without even leaving your house. just keep your phone and switch to xfinity mobile. you can get it by ordering a free sim

'm not sure that north korea would suddenly implode. to accept that north reasonably stable and will be with us for a while. it's always possible. get always possible to someone who comes in who sees gorbachev figure nd wants to move the regime ideologically a little bit. this happens when the regime, when the king passes away. that north korea doesn't really change, it's a enduring stalemate, i don't see that the north koreans are going to give up nuclear weapons. if they were going to do it, they would have done it in the ast year or two talking to donald trump. the americans didn't offer much or the weapons, if you give up your weapons and development aid, trump promised condos, none of that is real. to get their nukes, we have to a lot.hem like billions and billions and billions of aid. a consensus in the united states to make that of extreme generous offer to the north. the nuclear standoff is stable, is going to use them. rishaad: just briefly, the if he were to pass away, would that open the door with seoul and lead reunification

all exercising in a lot of speculation especially concerning the decision making process within north korea but you know back in 2011 this opacity of our access into north korean governments was laid bare kim kim jong il died the leader of north korea kim jong un's father kim jong il gaudi late it was 2 days later when you north korea announced it on their news show that we found out so they're very successful in preventing any information that they don't want to get out. all right journalist frank smith a speaking to us there from the soul thank you frank thank you so much for joining us now humanitarian groups fear that the coronavirus pandemic could have an especially devastating impact on the world's poorest nations among them the central african republic one of africa's most fragile countries it has a population of nearly 5000000 people and so far only a 12 confirmed cases of the crowded bars but many people there doubt that figure as did go to china reports there's widespread mistrust both of the government's response and the foreigners who some say are to blame for bringing the virus

north korea is challenging the suggestions that they laid a is gravely ill. with joining me for more on this story is our correspondent in so frank smith frank can you tell us anything more about the health of the north korean leader. well i can testify to that directly you did mention one of the reports from reuters that said that 3 medical people from china were visiting north korea that was thursday we had earlier today though a report from hong kong satellite television their vice director was said to have tweeted in china that would be able in china that kim jong un was dead that has been not corroborated by anyone certainly not from north korea and we had earlier this week c.n.n. reporting citing an unnamed source in the u.s. government that kim jong un was gravely ill we also have another report coming out today suggesting that kim jong un was seen walking around once on sometime between april 15th and april 20th so there are some mixed reports out there of boat kim jong un's health but most interesting today though is that widely tweeted message that

where does north korea live right next to that country where the coronavirus originated now north korea's did not it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a right no because of the focus on covering 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but it north korea if the leader darrius in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens. catholics in south korea are attending mass for the 1st time since longtime measures were introduced at the start of the coronavirus pandemic let's go straight to rob mcbride in seoul for a so another sign of life returning to normal in south korea. i think people here in south korea do regard this as yet another hopeful optimistic indication it's been now nearly 2 months since the cath

north korea has a stockpile of nuclear weapons, and right now it's just not clear who is in command. ere is not a clear succession strategy in place because the north koreans would certainly not expect kim jong-un, in his mid-30s -- yes, overweight, yes, a smoker with a history of heart problems in his family, but still, they would not expect kim jong-un to go any time soon, so if north korea is indeed scrambling, there is going to be a lot of concern on who has their hand on the nuclear button in north korea now and moving forward. >> we'll continue to watch this story very closely. will ripley in tokyo, thank you very much. >>> ahead for us, a remarkable story. an army reservist and mother of two is being targeted in a vicious and remarkable conspiracy theory that she was the first to spread coronavirus. cnn's exclusive interview with her is next. things can get a bit cloudy for you. but now, there's the dell technologies cloud, powered by vmware. a single hub for a consistent operating experience across all your clouds. that should clear things up. overnight they became our offices

so when i was growing up in the ninety's in north korea that's when those korea's economy was collapsing and they were stopped providing the food and the pop and rationed to us so people had to find their ways to survive which means in gauging in black market that through brown market the people was able to get in the small going to brew like d.v.d.'s from china so i was you know i was are so lucky to be able to access this are so the information and i remember for the 1st time watching movie take cannick and as a younger watching titanic it would is a complete shock that i used couldn't believe why anyone in this word you know make a movie out of such a shame for a story in school idea in the learn about julie it everything there are learned in garment of was being all revolutionary and dying for the regime and suddenly you you see young movie made the arrow by this chamber story and at the end of men die for the woman and i never seen anything like that and that's her and i started to really fear that maybe in a the outside the world is not the monstrous and scary place and also maybe

you said north korea, right after the korean war, economically superior to south korea. so you think the socialism wasn't the reason behind that? and the second question is, i understand that north korea is right now using its options to imitate china's for vietnam's economic path. do you think is a viable option for them? >> so, i mean, the chinese peninsula was occupied by japan for many years, and korean peninsula was run by the chinese. it was sort of a dictatorship but it was mostly a private property kind of system. the reality was most of electricity and heavy industry that existed in korea was on the northern side. it wasn't a result of, just a result of the conditions that were present there. i would applaud north korea moving in the chinese direction. i mean, just because you can have all the freedom and the world doesn't mean some freedom is not going to help. millions, hundreds of millions of the chinese people are living dignified, comfortable, mitchard existences because the chinese government now lets them engage in trade and market, and that should be som

sent 5 spy planes this north korea, mid rumors about his health. ring sent anspy planes over north korea. there are reports thatting is st he is a vegetative state after a heart procedure. we keep seeing reports that north korean leader is releasing messages. to syria, cuba and south africa, he is not camera shy, he likes to be on camera. how come there are no photos of videos of kim jong-un. they are not putting out any images of him. he likes to be on camera. >> you may recall about two years ago, we went through this before he had an operation to fix a strained or broken ankle, he does not like to appear to be in a less than perfect physical state, that may know part. but the bottom line, nobody knows, my sense he is lying low, he may have a malled o malledde. nobody knows, i think that united states come mond in korea -- command in korea is ramping up surveillance to get a hint of what is going on, so far, from my sources people i have e-mailed in korea, no one knows any better than north koreans, they are not talking. elizabeth: wow. quite a my

so that was north korea and you see the dark picture, the upper left, sort of north korea and you wake up in the morning and you see there's 200,000 people living on the north korean side on the border but it is nicer. as we went up and down the river and at one point i remember thinking they were trainees patrol boats and i was very happy to see them, it was a strange feeling because of our vote or fear he on the river, if it breaks down and drifts to the north korean side, i would really help the chinese navy would come and get us before we got to the wrong side of the border. this is typical what you would see of a broken down home, in a vertically, i still feel sorry -- we went in to some farming areas and everybody we saw working in the field was using hand tools and animals to drug plows and things and there was one guy that we saw on the field and he had a diesel tractor and it looked ancient and you could hear the chug of the diesel and old diesel engine. it was a little incline on the farm field and he could not make it up. you could hear and eventually -- i really felt sorry

south korea has denied media reports that north korean leader kim jong il is gravely ill off to heart surgery syl said it had seen no signs indicating that the 36 year old was in a c.d.s. condition speculation emerged after kim was not at celebrations last week for the birthday of his grandfather a key event honoring the nation's found that he'd never missed before. donna frank smith joins us now from seoul frank good to see you what do we actually know right now. well what we know is what you just mentioned that kim jong un skipped the anniversary of his grandfather's birth that's kim il sung on april 15th that's so important in north korea because the kim dynasty must be maintained and that made inside the dynasty is what kim jong un largely uses to legitimize his power so skipping that is a major thing that we need to look at we also need to look at the source here the source is what's called daily n.k. it's a web site here in south korea a media outlet that supported by a number of n.g.o.s and generally run by defectors that rely on sources inside north korea making phone calls us

not only in north korea. but other places where north korea is present. >> all right. director clapper, thank you so much. appreciate your time. more protests erupting over stay at home order. for every person you see at this protest there are tens of thousands at home. or at their jobs as essential workers. so, since that's the case, who is really behind the protests? next. at t-mobile, we know that connection is more important than ever. so we're making big moves to help those who need it most. introducing t-mobile connect. a prepaid plan to help keep america connected. starting at just $15 a month, it gives flexibility for uncertain times. visit t-mobile.com/connect to learn more. you can also manage your account, and make payments online. stay connected with t-mobile connect. i've always loved and i'm still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'll go for that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has

at the smuggling that goes on between the borders of china and north korea.hose also going to many of the markets within the country. so, he does believe that the virus would have spread fairly quickly within the country itself. but he does not believe that that would have had any impact on kim jong-un. >> paula hancocks following all these developments and this story and all possible speculation. we'll talk again soon. >>> we'll take a short break. still to come, the british prime minister is back on the job after recovering from the coronavirus. we will look at the growing pressure on boris johnson to determine what's next in tackling the pandemic. we're back with that in just a moment. memory supplements neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. try neuriva for 30 days and see the difference. it's kind of my quiet, alone time. audible is a routine for me. it's like a fun night school for adults. i could easily be seduced into locking myself into a place where

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and north korea is the champion of -- of that.lso, i think, the kim regime has tried to shield information from getting outside of their inner circle to make sure that there are no grand ideas among other officials about -- about coos, but rising against kim. so that kind of ambiguity about his health and whereabouts is a way for the regime to protect itself from domestic -- potentially domestic opponents and officials as well as for foreign relations as well. >> one of the only ways the u.s. actually has been monitoring anything inside north korea is from satellite imaginary. there was this image of a train, perhaps kim jong-un's train at this coastal resort where he is known to frequent. what does this show you? >> so the train is -- it's interesting that it's there. and that suggests with the reporting that he went there to either conva leideo less or relr do self-quarantine or to recover after surgery. so we don't know. so it's not -- the train in and of it self is not diagnostic of how he's doing or where he is, but it adds a

where does north korea live right next to the country where the coronavirus originated now north korea's you know it has many cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a raw you know because of the focus on covering 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but it north korea if the leader doris in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about that before it happens rather than after it happens. still ahead on al-jazeera why doc says they could be any link between corona virus tends to out and stroke seen in young patients. don extension could make a food crisis even worse since zimbabwe. had oh there's been some pretty strong winds across northern sections of the middle east you can see the area cloud this is where we have got some rain showers and to the south of there we'

where does north korea live right next to that country where the corona virus originated now north korea's you know it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know a do we have a smoking gun here that something is a raw you know because of the focus on covered $9000.00 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but it north korea if the leader darrius in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about that before it happens rather than after it happens. they call on a virus crisis now and the world health organization has warned there is no evidence that people who recover from call that 1000 are any until the infection several countries including the u.k. are considering issuing immunity passes to the patients have recovered but the w.h.o. says that could be risky from london really challenge house for the u.k. is one of m

now, we should note whenever you're discussing intelligence with north korea, that north korea from the perspective of u.s. intelligence is the blackest of black boxes, it's difficult to penetrate. they are always working with an incomplete picture of the intelligence on the ground. but we know that the u.s. is taking this intelligence seriously enough of that they have reached out to north korea experts and others to begin to assess what the aftermath might be if this is true, if the health -- health situation gets more severe, including potential repercussions like an outpluxflf refugees, need for assistance, et cetera. we say very clear, the monitoring intelligence indicates this. but, again, with north korea, you always have to be aware that this is a difficult country to penetrate for any national intelligence service. >> jim, what does south korea say about your reporting? >> so south korean official overnight told cnn that they have no indications of anything serious regarding his health, that, perhaps, he's traveling elsewhere in the country. we know this as well. the u.s. and s

when i came in from russia to can that north korea, and iran. iran?nfrom iran was a terror. we had 82 points of fighting, i8 was a terror. we had 82 points of fighting, 18 points of meat that don't major confliction. the first week i said tell me about iran. " sir, we have 18 points of confliction." meaning yemen, syria, iraq, they were going into iraq all over the place. they are much different nation right now. i stopped that horrible deal, horrible deal, and they want to talk, except that carrie violated the logan act. he made the deal and he doesn't want them to make a deal because i would've made a deal, in my opinion, except thatjohn kerry, who made the deal originally, which was a stupid deal originally, which was a stupid deal to make him a given $150 billion, give them 1.8 billion in cash in green, that would be more than this room ten times with hundred dollar bills that you could fill up this room ten times with hundred dollar bills, it's not that smaller room. i say he violated the logan act. i think it was a major violation. i think we wo

in the north korea networks.it is emblematic of how they do retribution is not just forensic evidence but also have one - - hacking h adversaries and that comes back to the broader theme of cat and mouse every single t day. and. then to spy on north korea and that is after-the-fact that's why like so much else in cyberspace it gets into my messy tangle of competition one more time. >> and the classification as well. >> yes that's why some folks said that's not credible you have not proven the evidence. >> do you say the us is getting better? >> for sure. >> other nations as well? >> united states does its best but certainly to have counterintelligence success that was our russian operation that was the extraordinary counterintelligence through some unknown t mechanism through nsa files a great insight. >> so just talk about election security you have a fascinating story i think the audience would be surprised who was interfering in the election? >> i did not write it until i wrote it k t it's the answer is britai

where does north korea live right next to the country where the coronavirus originated now korea's did not it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a right no because of the focus on coverage 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if a leader dog in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens 200000 people have now died from corona virus in the world health organization is warning if you get the virus once you're not necessarily protected from getting it again and without that guarantee the agency is edging against issuing so-called immunity passports as concern that by handing them out the risk of the virus spreading could increase roi chances more now from london. the u.k. is one of many

we don't know but it was not north korea.it emerges with time that the way the united states knew with such certainty is it was it north korea was that in fact the united states was in north korean's networks and that leads the "new york times". i think it's how the nations attribute making. itre isn't forensic evidence that comes back to the cat and mouse game that happens every single day. the u.s. was in the north korea networks despite 11 suit then covered covered after the fact. that's why the attribution business like so much else in cyberspace gets into this messy tangle competition will morepe time. see what it across the nation to. >> guest: and that's for sure and that's why they talk about sources and methods which is why some folks say thats is not credible because you have not proven the evidence. >> host: would you say the u.s. is getting better at determining attribution and a stronger and more appropriate way? areet there natures jet nations as well? >> guest: the united states as it's best to hide but certain

judging by behaviour of the top north korea officials. hen kimjong il died in 2011, there were over two days of silence before north korean state media would tell the world about what happened. during that period of time. nk state media continued as normal, nothing unusual detected on the ground in north korea. the point being — people who study north korea every day aren't sure. and that's a very good guide for all of us unless better and clearer information emerges. there much more background there much more on the website. there you go, lewis, i did my best to take you through it. thank you very much, extreme caution is the watchword, isn't it? to bring you up—to—date with europe. for some time now the uk government has been coming under pressure to outline a way out of this crisis, some of the loudest voices coming from its own ranks. today borisjohnson said ministers would be saying more over the coming days. so what would it take to lift the lockdown and what have other countries done? our science editor david shukman has been examin

she pushes north korea propaganda. she does rigid censorship.u're saying regardless of this inhumane and oppressive behavior that will still continue no matter who the leader is, right? if that is to be believed. >> like the old "saturday night live" cartoons what do you want, coke or pepsi it, doesn't matter because it tastes the same. we'll not see big shifts. if you think about it, the reason for that is, this country is built in a very weird way. it is all designed to keep a couple of people in porno films and whiskey. they can't take big, risky changes and without putting themselves at risk. so it is very unlikely we'll see a dramatic, dramatic shift. that is what i always loved about the president's strategy it is designed to work no matter who is in charge. it is not predicated what the north koreans do. it is designed to protect us from the worst things they might do. liz: what do you, what do you think happened to kim jong-un? what do you seriously think is going on? >> that's a great question because exactly the wrong question for peop

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some folks in the industry say we don't know what it was in north korea.it emerges that time the way the united states knew with certainty that it was korea was the united states was in the north korean networks. i think it's emblematic of how a nation does attribution many cases. it's not just forensic evidence, it's also hacking adversaries and hacking them for so much what they are doing but that is the cat and mouse game that happens every single day. this is what they uncovered after-the-fact. like so much else in cyber space he gets into the messy thank you of competition one more time. and that's obviously not something -- which is why some folks it is not credible. snooki said say the u.s. is getting better at determining attribution in a more concrete way? >> for sure. >> and other nations as well? united states is -- but it certainly is the case that other nations appear to have counter intelligence against the u.s.. go to back to the shadow brokers predict that was a russian adversary that was an extraordinary counterintelligence attack and neve