earlier this week made here in south korea reported that he was recovering after a cardiovascular procedure but the later hasn't been saying in public in north korea north korea is challenging the suggestions that they laid a is gravely ill. with joining me for more on this story is our correspondent in so frank smith frank can you tell us anything more about the health of the north korean leader. well i can testify to that directly you did mention one of the reports from reuters that said that 3 medical people from china were visiting north korea that was thursday we had earlier today though a report from hong kong satellite television their vice director was said to have tweeted in china that would be able in china that kim jong un was dead that has been not corroborated by anyone certainly not from north korea and we had earlier this week c.n.n. reporting citing an unnamed source in the u.s. government that kim jong un was gravely ill we also have another report coming out today suggesting that kim jong un was seen walking around once on sometime between april 15th and april 20th so there are some mixed reports out there of boat kim jong un's health but mo

north korea. her mum was a canteen manager in a local factory. at the age of 29, she decided to leave north korea. hyun—joo paid a broker to take her from northijing, and then to hanoi. from there, she got a flight to south korea. kang nara is one of the biggest north korean youtube stars. she was still at school when she decided to flee the regime. nara lives in a tiny apartment in seoul with her mother and stepfather. herfather and brother don't want to defect. according to the unification ministry, defectors on average earn a third less than south koreans. there's a big appetite for north korean stories here. hyun—joo has used the skills she learned in the north to earn herself a big stage in south korea. singing over the years, hyun—joo saved enough to pay a broker to bring her mum to south korea. unlike south korean teenagers, when nara arrived here five years ago, she didn't even know what social media was. she's now got 50,000 followers on instagram and 90,000 subscribers on youtube. nara also hosts youtube shows for broadcasters, responding to endless questions about the lives of north koreans. it's yu hyun—joo‘s weekly recording of n

north korea. her mum was a canteen manager in a local factory. at the age of 29, she decided to leave north korea. hyun—joo paid a broker to take her from northing, and then to hanoi. from there, she got a flight to south korea. kang nara is one of the biggest north korean youtube stars. she was still at school when she decided to flee the regime. nara lives in a tiny apartment in seoul with her mother and stepfather. herfather and brother don't want to defect. according to the unification ministry, defectors on average earn a third less than south koreans. there's a big appetite for north korean stories here. hyun—joo has used the skills she learned in the north to earn herself a big stage in south korea. singing over the years, hyun—joo saved enough to pay a broker to bring her mum to south korea. unlike south korean teenagers, when nara arrived here five years ago, she didn't even know what social media was. she's now got 50,000 followers on instagram and 90,000 subscribers on youtube. nara also hosts youtube shows for broadcasters, responding to endless questions about the lives of north koreans. it's yu hyun—joo‘s weekly recording of now

korea is really a closed media environment all media north korea's state media and any foreign journalists that do have offices in north korea are tightly controlled in terms of what they can report lots of rumors flying around lots of uncertainty that what does it mean for the stability in the region. well we have to remember north korea is you know has a nuclear weapons program it's under you know sanctions from the united nations so there is an antagonistic relationship with the international community there and also concerns about potential instability in north korea without a firm sort of successor perhaps in place there and remember north korea is a buffer state between south korea which has 30000 u.s. troops here and china so if there was some type of instability to emerge in north korea it could likely be another area of competition great power competition between the u.s. and china frank smith reporting from seoul thank you very much. and now a quick look at some of the other stories making headlines today officials in the democratic republic of congo say at least 17 people have been killed in an attack at the virun

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north korea. north korea still says that they have zero infections in the country, but given the poorest 900 mile border with china where infection rates are high, it's almost impossible for north to not have any -- any infections in the country. so we don't know what his -- what his status is, but it's -- it could very well be that he wanted to be isolated from the hustle and bus witle of pyongya >> you talk about the image control that he does in your new book. you write that he wants to present himself to his country as the young john kennedy and his wife as jackie in some ways. that image clearly important. >> when kim was first identified as a successor, he was 26 years old, the world was scoffing at him for his youth about how he looked, how -- what a boy he looked -- standing next to his father who was in his mid-60s. but i said it of taking that as a deficit, he -- kim jong-un embraced that and embraced his young as an asset. so what he did with his youth and the many decades that he has ahead of him, potentially ahead of him, he tried to embrace the image of a modern, young, vigorous leader on the move. and he's transferred that to the landscape of north korea in dotti

never came true you know it's a pandemic right in north korea where does north korea live right next to that country where the coronavirus originated now north korea's did not it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a right no because of the focus on covering 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but it north korea if the leader darrius in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens. catholics in south korea are attending mass for the 1st time since longtime measures were introduced at the start of the coronavirus pandemic let's go straight to rob mcbride in seoul for a so another sign of life returning to normal in south korea. i think people here in south korea do regard this as yet another hopeful optimistic indication it's been now nearly 2 months since the cath

"me too" movement has not hit north korea, they are not in favor of female leaders, anywhere in asia particularly north korea, and a rudder less northrbid military would takeover would be a worse solution than now. elizabeth: china would not want to reunify with north korea. >> no. elizabeth: reports are coming in that u.s. has sent unconfirmed reports that u.s. sent 5 spy planes this north korea, mid rumors about his health. south korea also hearing sent anspy planes over north korea. there are reports thatting is st he is a vegetative state after a heart procedure. we keep seeing reports that north korean leader is releasing messages. to syria, cuba and south africa, he is not camera shy, he likes to be on camera. how come there are no photos of videos of kim jong-un. they are not putting out any images of him. he likes to be on camera. >> you may recall about two years ago, we went through this before he had an operation to fix a strained or broken ankle, he does not like to appear to be in a less than perfect physical state, that may know part. but the bottom line, nobody knows, my sense he is lying low, he may have a malled o m

never came true you know it's a pandemic right in north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the coronavirus originated now north korea's you know it has many cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a raw you know because of the focus on covering 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but it north korea if the leader doris in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about that before it happens rather than after it happens. still ahead on al-jazeera why doc says they could be any link between corona virus tends to out and stroke seen in young patients. don extension could make a food crisis even worse since zimbabwe. had oh there's been some pretty strong winds across northern sections of the middle east you can see the area cloud this is where we have got some rain showers and to the south of there we'

in addition you know it's a pandemic right in north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the corona virus originated now north korea's did not get it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously course johnson did so you know a do we have a smoking gun here that something is a raw you know should we expect that something will happen tomorrow probably not but again i want to emphasize because of the focus on 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but it north korea at the leader dies in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is join an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about that before it happens rather than after it happens so jim we talked out a little bit about condolence health so let me ask you what is the status of north korea's health system what sort of treatment could can john expect in a country. well i think it's mixed obviously he's going to get the best health care of anyone in that country bar none and

never came true you know it's a pandemic right in north korea where does north korea live right next to that country where the corona virus originated now north korea's you know it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know a do we have a smoking gun here that something is a raw you know because of the focus on covered $9000.00 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but it north korea if the leader darrius in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about that before it happens rather than after it happens. they call on a virus crisis now and the world health organization has warned there is no evidence that people who recover from call that 1000 are any until the infection several countries including the u.k. are considering issuing immunity passes to the patients have recovered but the w.h.o. says that could be risky from london really challenge house for the u.k. is one of m

north korea -- has tremendous power in north korea by the virtue of who he is. it has also always been true that the military is the primary arm that kim jong-un requires in order to maintain control of north korea. powerful, but at the same time, the military has always been very subservient to kimand wanting to make sure is ultimately the person who will protect the regime and protect their power. it is a nasty balance that has been maintained in north korea for a long time. if anything should happen to kim, it will raise serious issues that north korea has never had to deal with in the past. for that reason, it becomes a security threat for us. mr. secretary, thank you so very much for being with us. that is leon panetta, former secretary of defense and former white house chief of staff. great to have you with us. coming up next, robert to mel -- ummel ish with us. this is "balance of power" on bloomberg television and radio. ♪ david: this is "balance of power" on bloomberg television and radio. the oil markets are in total chaos. yesterday we saw the historic development of wti futures going to the negative. , wehey spread into brent are delighted to welcome robert thummel. give us you

north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the coronavirus originated now korea's did not it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a right no because of the focus on coverage 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if a leader dog in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens 200000 people have now died from corona virus in the world health organization is warning if you get the virus once you're not necessarily protected from getting it again and without that guarantee the agency is edging against issuing so-called immunity passports as concern that by handing them out the risk of the virus spreading could increase roi chances more now from london. the u.k. is one of many countries that has been looking at the idea of immunity passports this will be a way for people or some people at least to go back to work if they could prove that they already have had covert 19 and therefore it's assumed that they have an immunity i wouldn't be able to get again or pass it on but the w.h.o. the world health

north korea where does north korea live right next to that country where the corona virus originated now greece you know it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a right no because of the focus on covering 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if the leader doris in the context in which there is a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens. in south korea catholics are attending mass for the 1st time since social distancing measures were introduced at the start of the pandemic but bright as well from seoul on the precautions being taken. it's nearly 2 months since the catholic church and other churches here in south korea decided it was simply too risky to hold normal services instead they're holding masses on the line and it's only now all of these weeks on that the catholic church has decided it is safe to reopen its churches but only under the strictest of precautions we're at the main cathedral in seoul it can only have a congregation of up to a 1000 but only a quarter of that number are being allowed in for each mass and you know order to do so you

north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the coronavirus originated now korea's did not it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a raw you know because of the focus on 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if the leader dogs in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens to zimbabwe which has extended its nationwide let down because of iraq's incredible rise cases the restrictions have come at a cost raising concerns that a food crisis affecting hauffe the population will get worse as a. you know much of the most of the struggling to put food on the table these women are grateful for any kind of assistance years of drought rising inflation and now coronavirus have seen food prices soar several families are now eating lists many say they know not much will change until a lockdown was dictions eased or scrapped in early may. mean more good for us is killing people sure you tune in for that. we're not a doctor. so you're waiting for what we're waiting for the troops to get finished after t

north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the corona virus originated now greece did not it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a right no because of the focus on covering 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if the leader da is in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens u.s. aircraft manufacturing john bearing has pulled out of a $4200000000.00 merger with the president jet make a boeing says and forever failed to meet key conditions of the deal for the brazilian firm accuses bearing affecting out because of financial difficulties there is praise industry is in crisis because of coronavirus for the pandemic boeing it grounded its 737 max planes after 2 crashes that killed almost 350 people . the number of people who have died from corona virus in the united kingdom has exceeded 20000 and it's now the 5th country to pass a milestone the prime minister boris johnson has been recovering from from the virus will return to work on monday now he has more on the situation across europe vir i

north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the corona virus originated now did not it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a right no because of the focus on 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if the leader da is in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens the estate in new york has begun antibody tests for frontline health care workers screening program will examine whether doctors and nurses working with infected patients have been contract uncovered 19 without showing any symptoms hijack castra as this. i'm saving hamburger from an anesthesiologist and saying this new york anesthesiologist recovered from coded 19 a month ago now doctors i.v. hamburger is among an important group of frontline medical workers who hope they're immune from reinfection center here in new york that center donating on the list was the blood plasma he's donating is also being studied to treat patients so if you give these this plasma to someone who is acutely infected with corona virus the antib

korea and it seeks to to paint the north korean regime in a very negative light so the south korean government a liberal government that seeks reproach one with north korea as has really kind of played those down at the same time we need to recognize that north korea is a very controlled state controlled media and even the foreign reporters that are allowed into north korea what they can report on is tightly controlled so the information that we get out of north korea you know is very very limited. what does this uncertainty main testability in a range and while we need to recognize north korea is a dictatorial regime it has a very antagonistic relationship certainly with the united states and and the international community it is pursuing nuclear weapons it has a nuclear weapons program it's subject to sanctions from the united nations security council and north korea itself is something of a buffer state between south korea a strong u.s. ally with u.s. troops here and china any sort of instability in north korea is going to represent another area of superpower competition between china and the united states frank smith from voting for us from cell thanks very much. here's a look at some of the other stories making headlines around the world doze

never came true you know it's a pandemic right in north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the coronavirus originated now north korea's did not it has any cases i find that hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a raw you know because of the focus on 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if the leader dog in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is join an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about that before it happens rather than after it happens. back to our coronavirus coverage and signs of life are turning to normal in south korea catholics are attending mass for the 1st time since social distancing was introduced at the start of the pandemic robin wright has more from seoul on the precautions being taken. it's nearly 2 months since the catholic church and other churches here in south korea decided it was simply too risky to hold norm

north korea and our wives were very generous in letting us travel all over these crazy places but they said you could not die or get arrested. so we didn't go into north korea. we went to the border of north korea and china the northern north korea border where there's just the river that separates the two countries. many of you have seen the satellite photo of the korean peninsula, the north except for the capital is essentially dark in the south is a wonderful lights going every direction in the nisi china on the northern side and is developed very nicely but the dark section of north korea. when we arrived in north korea it was dark and we got to the river and were very excited and were like working to see north korea it's right across the river 100 miles away. it is dark over there were, we were worried, the guy said there was a city but we were city we wenenter worried we went to the wrong city because there did not appear to be anything on the other side of the river but when we woke up there was a city over there. that was like a photo photoshopped you can stand on the chinese side and look over into complete darkness. the chinese side is not shanghai or beijing by any means but it

north korea. our wives were very, very generous anybody inviting as tl over these crazy places but you did say you can't die or get arrested, so we didn't go -- prison, yet. we didn't go into north korea. we went to the board of north korea and china, the northern north korea border where there's just river which separates the countries. you may -- many of you seen the satellite photo of the korean peninsula, the north except for the capital is essentially dark and the south of course is wonderful life in filaments of likely every direction. then use china on the northern side. china is developed quite nicely but this is dark secularist with greater when we arrived in north korea it was dark and we got to the river. we were very excited. we can see north korea. right across the river 100 yards away. it's dark over there, nothing over there. we will read the guidebook said there was a city. maybe we went to the wrong city because there didn't appear anything on the other side of the river. in the morning there is, in fact, a substantial city over there so that satellite photo is in photoshop. you can stand on the chinese side and look over in complete darkness. the chinese side meanwhile the city, it's not shanghai

korea but you know back in 2011 this old house 80 of our access into north korean governments was laid bare kim kim jong il died the leader of north korea kim jong un's father kim jong il died it was 2 days later when you north korea announced it on their news show that we found out so they are very successful in preventing any information that they don't want out to get out. all right journalist frank smith a speaking to us there from seoul thank you frank thank you so much for joining us . are you coming up our 1900. 10 demick on south africa and don't forget you can always get the latest updates on our website at www dot com or follow us on twitter at news thank you for watching. combating the corona pandemic. where does research stand. what are scientists learning. background information and news. hour corona. good 19 special and next on d w. 9 pm and if. at any time any place using news if you have nothing to.

never came true you know it's a pandemic right in north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the coronavirus originated now north korea as you know it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a right no because of the focus on cover 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if the leader doris in a context in which there is a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens as being sensible things are because one of as anticipated sporting events in america has taken place virtually the n.f.l. successfully completed its trafton over video conferencing on saturday now the draw things teams recruit the best young talent on offer and usually it's a massive spectacle with thousands of fans attending it should have been held in las vegas 255 players are draft as exp

never came true you know it's a pandemic right in north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the coronavirus originated now north korea's did not it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so well you know a do we have a smoking gun here something is a right no because of the focus on 1000 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if the leader dar in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is join an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens still ahead here on the news hour in sports one of the biggest stars in tennis is getting back into the swing of things from the comfort of his story to the very. the oppression of an ethnic minority and man mine goes back many decades the intention was to make sure that rangers were no longer entitled to either basic rights or citizenship rights in a new documentary al-jazeera explores the history an

north korea and what's happening inside north korea for example, the w.h.o. has been looking for any information that they can get on the coronavirus. no information coming out of northfright now on the leader o north korea. it does appear as though those rumors are starting to subside phillip? >> inside that little box there. we heard you loud and clear. cal perry, thank you so much for the update >> comes with the technology sometimes. >> there you go. >> coming up, adam sandler crashes "saturday night live" while stuck at home. >>> and a mi dn'falyidt let lockdown stop them from welcoming a special new addition we'll be right back. dust mite droppings! eeeeeww! dead skin cells! gross! so now, i grab my swiffer sweeper and heavy-duty dusters. duster extends to three feet to get all that gross stuff gotcha! and for that nasty dust on my floors, my sweeper's on it. the textured cloths grab and hold dirt and hair no matter where dust bunnies hide. no more heebie jeebies. phew. glad i stopped cleaning and started swiffering. hey allergy muddlers... achoo! ...do your sneezes turn heads? try zyrtec... ...it starts working hard at hour one... and works twice as hard when

north korea until north korea themselves tell us exactly what is going on. there has been speculation about why, exactly, kim jong-un did miss the celebrations on april 15th, the day of the sun, the birthday of his grandfather. it's one of the most important days in the north korean calendar. that was noted. one day before there were short range cruz missiles that were launched. in the past kim jong-un has been present at. we have seen footage, images of that publicized probably about a day later, sometimes a little longer. we haven't had those images publicized at this point. that is something that many experts and officials are looking at. from the south korean point of view, they are saying there is no unusual activity ongoing and they have no reason to believe that the reports about the health conditions are accurate at this point but they are not saying they believe it is false. it's a very tricky line that everybody is trying to walk at this point because, as will said and as you said yourself, rosemary, we simply don't know for sure until north korea tells us. >> we will continue to watch the story, of course, and see if this speculation spurs north korea on in any particular way to prove that kim jong-un is healthy. paula hancocks and will ripley,

north korea we have to acknowledge north korea is the blackest of black boxes. difficult to penetrate for u.s. and other foreign intelligence services. hard to corroborate information. coming from that hermit kingdom. and that's always a caveat you have to keep in mind. as u.s. intelligence tries to interpret what's happening inside those borders. we should note this as well. cnn reporting the u.s. is taking this information seriously enough that it is the begun to look at at least the possibility of contingency planning. what would you do if for instance he were to die from this. would there be refugees. a need for humanitarian assistance. the u.s. consulting experts on the peninsula. again, let's note that is purely out of caution at this point. we're not there. again i should note they are taking this intelligence seriously. that his health is in danger. >> to will riply in tokyo. will, you have been in north korea to report 19 times since kim jong un took power. speak to the significance of what we are learning tonight. >> certainly any time there's speculation about kim jong un's health it's a major development. he vanished from public view for 40 days in 2014. and seen walking after surgery on his foot. there were death rumors swirling at that time. his absence was eyebrow raising. he hasn't been out of public view quite so long. when i asked several highly placed sources they were startled. frankly this information would be kept so secret even inside north korea. very few people would know what the health condition is of kim jong un. i have been in the country where he's rumored to be attending events and secret service surrounds the building and he never shows up. even his movements are closely guarded. only a handful of people know where he is at any given time. this is somebody who has absolute power inside a country that has nuclear weapons and missiles capable of striking the u.s.

issue regarding north korea that north korea is the blackest of black boxes when it comes to intelligence for the u.s. a difficult box to penetrate. so when discussing intelligence about northys have to keep that in mind. but, again, you really have a combination of indicators here now. the intelligence about this surgery. the complications following it. but also his absence from that event a number of days ago. >> okay. so you said the blackest of black boxes, meaning very tough to get information out, accurate information, not transparent, no transparency at all or very little. so do we know what would happen next, jim? do you know that? >> well, here's the thing about north korea, it's very top heavy government. he's a dictator of a hermit state here. we should note as well that kim has taken great pains in recent years to eliminate any potential competitors for power, including taking the step, the alarming step of assassinating his half brother in kuala lumpur airport. this is a couple of years ago. using a nerve agent. there are other senior north korean officials who he eliminated via assassination. so that leaves gaping holes if, and this is a notably large if, of c

north korea where does north korea live right next to the country where the corona virus originated now greece did not it has any cases i find it hard to believe i'm not saying he would. have contracted it obviously boris johnson did so you know do we have a smoking gun here that something is a right no because of the focus on cover 19 which is totally appropriate and all the things that means we haven't been thinking about north korea but if north korea if the leader da is in a context in which there's a global pandemic it's under sanctions and entering a recession is joining an economy declines that's a big deal and we might want to think about it before it happens rather than after it happens saudi arabia is easing curfew roles from most parts of the kingdom but it's keeping a 24 hour lockdown in mecca as well as times that were isolated after the start of the outbreak some commercial activity is also set to resume from wednesday the main mosques in mecca and medina well remain closed throughout the muslim holy month of ramadan said have a via has reported more than 16000 infections and a 136 deaths. watching t.v. is a popular pastime during the muslim holy month of ramadan and iraq is no exception it's perhaps the only custom that's remained unaffected by the curfew imposed in response to the covered $900.00 pandemic that as raise the stakes for those producing the programs some of the whole team has the s

north korea, that north korea from the perspective of u.s. intelligence is the blackest of black boxes, it's difficult to penetrate. they are always working with an incomplete picture of the intelligence on the ground. but we know that the u.s. is taking this intelligence seriously enough of that they have reached out to north korea experts and others to begin to assess what the aftermath might be if this is true, if the health -- health situation gets more severe, including potential repercussions like an outpluxflf refugees, need for assistance, et cetera. we say very clear, the monitoring intelligence indicates this. but, again, with north korea, you always have to be aware that this is a difficult country to penetrate for any national intelligence service. >> jim, what does south korea say about your reporting? >> so south korean official overnight told cnn that they have no indications of anything serious regarding his health, that, perhaps, he's traveling elsewhere in the country. we know this as well. the u.s. and south korea share intelligence. it's certain that the u.s. has shared the intelligence it's seen with its south korean partners and it's seen that the south koreans would share what they know. but the ges came last week with the ceremony and then the state of his health following the surger

korea general robert abrams. we talked about north korea as well. north koreahey have zero outbreaks of the coronavirus. he does not believe that's the case. he simply doesn't buy it that north korea has no cases. also talking about the usfk side of this, the u.s. forces in korea. they have 16 confirmed cases related to usfk, but they have 15,000 people going on and off these bases every day, and he says he's proud of that. he also says he has some advice for mill taeitaries around the . >> go hard, go early. it will seem like overreaction. it will seem a bit over the top. you know, my gosh, why are we having to do that draconian measure? a week later, your community will understand. your unit will understand why you had to do that. we've seen the worst, but now is not the time to get complacent. >> reporter: and that's the concern here as well. there are a lot more people out on the streets in north korea. there is a concern about complacency. but also around 10,000 cases in this country, the recovery rate is also significant, around 6,000, and that's somethin

affair, of course consequences for the president's relationship with north korea but also for north korea itself and the threat that northe u.s. >> so just a couple of high points here. so this is about intelligence. this is about information that the united states has gotten from a monitoring perspective. it wasn't put out by the north korean state media obviously. nobody else is reporting this directly from pyongyang, but you say grave danger. what is the best suspicion about what that means? like is he on his death bed or did the surgery go badly? what's the context? >> reporter: well, i think it's safe to say the u.s. isn't certain how grave that is. but they're concerned enough that they're monitoring the intelligence closely, and listen, when you put your leader through a surgery like that and there are complications following, and you have intelligence to that, you know, to indicate that, then you pay close attention. >> is there any word about it being covid related? >> reporter: to my knowledge, no, it has not been described to me as a covid issue. reuters has been reporting citing north korean exiles speculatio

korea. they're not particularly in favor of female leaders in particularly in north korea. a state where the military would take over would be a much worse solution. elizabeth: china would not want to reunify with north korea elizabeth: reports are coming in, u.s. has sent, unconfirmed reports that the u.s. sent five spyplanes to north korea. there is rumors about his health. there are talks that the spyplanes will eaves dropp communications. watch troop movements. south korea, sent spyplanes. unconfirmed reports. unconfirmed reports that leader of north korea is in vegetative state following a heart procedure that went wrong, due to installation after stent. we keep seeing reports that the north korean leader is releasing, messages to, to syria, cuba, south africa. general is not camera shy. he likes to go on camera. why aren't there any photos of him right now? why are there no videos of kim jong-un? the media in north korea is not putting out any images from him. he is not camera shy. he likes to be on camera? >> you made a call about two years ago. we went through this before when he had an operation to fix a strained or broken ankle. he doesn't like to appear to be in a less than perfect physical stat

korea but you know back in 2011 this opacity of our access into north korean governments was laid bare kim kim jong il died the leader of north korea kim jong un's father kim jong il died it was 2 days later when you north korea announced it on their new show that we found out so they are very successful in preventing any information that they don't want out to get out. all right journalist frank smith a speaking to us there from the soul of thank you thank thank you so much for joining us. now the media watchdog reporters without borders fears the coronavirus endemic could pose a threat to post press freedom around the globe the warning comes as the group publishes its annual press freedom index a list of countries ranked according to how freely their media are allowed to operate throughout the day we're speaking to international activists and journalists to find out about the situation in their countries but 1st a look at how different nations are faring. at the bottom of the table eritrea turkmenistan and north korea reporters without borders classify the lack of press freedom in those countries as very serious sudan is also in that category but last year's mass protests that led to the ousting of presiden

korea but you know back in 2011 this opacity of our access into north korean governments was laid bare kim kim jong il died the leader of north korea kim jong un's father kim jong il gaudi late it was 2 days later when you north korea announced it on their news show that we found out so they're very successful in preventing any information that they don't want to get out. all right journalist frank smith a speaking to us there from the soul thank you frank thank you so much for joining us now humanitarian groups fear that the coronavirus pandemic could have an especially devastating impact on the world's poorest nations among them the central african republic one of africa's most fragile countries it has a population of nearly 5000000 people and so far only a 12 confirmed cases of the crowded bars but many people there doubt that figure as did go to china reports there's widespread mistrust both of the government's response and the foreigners who some say are to blame for bringing the virus into the country. the government of the central african republic has not imposed a complete lockdown but has brought in preventive measures including running public governing so more than 15 people. are closed except for diploma

korea but you know back in 2011 this old hassid the of our access into north korean governments was laid bare kim kim jong il died the leader of north korea kim jong un's father kim jong il died it was 2 days later when you north korea announced it on their news show that we found out so they're very successful in preventing any information that they don't want to get out. all right journalist frank smith a speaking to us there from seoul thank you frank thank you so much for joining us now virgin australia the country's 2nd largest airline has gone into voluntary administration that means that administrators have been called in to restructure the airline find potential buyers and save some of the 10000 jobs at risk coronavirus travel restrictions have made virgin debt problems worse the airline had been struggling to repay around 3000000000 u.s. dollars of debt runways packed with planes going nowhere with no one the writing has been on the wall for some time now covert 19 has claimed its 1st major casualty of the airline industry virgin australia and the chief executives face said it all. this is not just something that is inversion of strongly we know it's hurting the industry globally it is the worst i've yashin

north korea hack sony in 2014 to destroy those competing infrastructure according to one estimate get these juicy e-mails from angelina jolie then the questionie emerges who did this? the us government says it is north korea some say it wasn't we don't know but it was not northkorea. it emerges with time the way they knew was certainty it was not north korea because united states was in the north korea networks. it is emblematic of how they do retribution is not just forensic evidence but also have one - - hacking h adversaries and that comes back to the broader theme of cat and mouse every single t day. and. then to spy on north korea and that is after-the-fact that's why like so much else in cyberspace it gets into my messy tangle of competition one more time. >> and the classification as well. >> yes that's why some folks said that's not credible you have not proven the evidence. >> do you say the us is getting better? >> for sure. >> other nations as well? >> united states does its best but certainly to have counterintelligence success that was our russian operation that was the extraordinary counterintelligence through some unknown t mechanism through nsa files a great insight. >> so just talk about election security you have a fascinating story i think

what he has done, is that he has tried to develop north korea into a more modern 21st century north korea. so the image that most people have of the norths of a famine-stricken economically hobbled country where the people are starving. it is bizarre, it is isolated. but what we have seen in the past few years under kim jong-un's rule, which he has very much amplified is that you have smartphones. you have laptops. you have women wearing fashionable clothing. there are water parks and amusement parks. skyscrapers. so these are things that kim has really accelerated, these developments kim has really accelerated over the years indicate to the extent, to the degree to which he wants to have a more modern north korea to show to the outside world and to his people. and i also think that he fears his people as much as he fears the united states. and that all of these luxury items and all of these hopes and aspirations he's trying to have with the emerging -- with an existing consumer society is that north koreans can have it all in north korea. they don't have to look elsewhere. >> but do they have it all? because you talk about him opening

north korea's line, that north korea has no cases. that cannot be believed. the line of rhetoric we are hearing in the media that other administration's and dem egg response is picture perfect, we are learning they were not. prior administrations dating back to the 1980s on the federal and state and local level was not up to speed. when you look at what's going on with the world health organization. now the american enterprise institute is saying potentially 2.9 million infections in china. more than they are reporting. it seems that finally the world may be waking up. we are seeing social media waking up in bangladesh and pakistan. do you think the world is waking up saying we can't go through another pandemic like this. >> one of my medical colleagues has been in touch with an infectious disease specialist. one of the things the chinese doctor said to mire friend was you a come you all aren't wearing masks in america. the reason is because you have them and you are not selling them to us. that goes back to the supply chain. what they will do to their own people and keep them in the dark they will do to their own people. we are doing really well here. if you look at h.i.v., it was four years before we had a reliable clinical test. we are moving much faster. hopefully this doesn't keep happening. one of the opportunities we have on the medical side is we have a lot of people who have gone the it and recovered. and they are going to be eligible people to donate glass ma that can help others that get this. i think people have to make sure they are talking with their doctors and working with their blood banks. liz: if you use the defense production act, should not be a first step toward getting the medical supply chain? china is moving to be a medical super power. they tried to corner the market on remdesivir and gilead. they tried to get as many ventilators as it could before it told the world it has a pandemic on its hands. when you see what's happening out of the china. dr. robert darling is one of the world's leading infectious disease experts. he's still saying china won't give over the virus samples to study. that tells you it could have been an accidental release out of a bio lab. and china doesn't want to admit the virus did emanate out of the province over there. the issue with china. should we cut back on the debt that we owe to it? how do you owe china accountable? what do you think? >> i think we need to pursue that add knew and see what happened. there is responsibility. you know, we have had terrorist attacks where certain countries did take responsibility like libya, and we were able to get compensation back. that would help us, and it might correct a wrong. but i don't expect them to change their re-behavior. but we have to change how we view china and how we work with china. or better yet, how we don't work with china because they can't be trusted. liz: thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> you have a good easter and pass yoaf as well. liz: next up, the hot debate about reopening. will the nation's 50 governors agree to the reopen? 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>> i think part of the country willa be ready by then. the reopening required testing and reporting and tracing contacts. that won't be a one size fits all policy. i am hopeful parts of the country will be ready to reopen in a few weeks. and the testing will continue throughout the rest of the springtime. liz: you need an economy to pay for public health, the emt workers, the firemen and cops. here is the forecast out of jpmorgan chase. the gdp can contract by 40%. are you seeing sufficient information coming out of all levels of government on testing, object vaccines, and on drugs? do we know when the vaccines will be ready, and the drugs will be ready and the tests will be ready? people are feeling a bottleneck on testing. apeople want information. what do you think? >> there have been delays on testing. that's soo essential. if someone knows they are sick, even if they are not showing symptoms. most people because they have common sense will stay home and ecavoid infecting people. but if you come into contact with somebody who has it, that's lost time. it's essential to go ahead and build that testing capability. we had a bureaucracy that wasn't permitting private labs. we have seen some of that resolve. i am hoping going forward the testing bottleneck will be much smoother. we have seen 10 million jobs wiped out in a few weeks. we have given up gains that took years to acquire. we have to make it so people can go and work and produce and engage in commerce. liz are * we want to see how much are i mine as well. that's why you need testing. here is the information coming out of oxford university. they are estimating 60-70 percent of the u.k. has already been infected. we have seen the initial fatality rate go down now to 60,000 in the u.s. nobody knows what the death toll will be. that of course is a disturbing number that's really concerning. but the testing is so key. new york state and the region of new york, connecticut, pennsylvania and new jersey. talking about rolling out testing as well. whose model objection best. should you get tested at your job? should employers do it? >> if we have more testing, even if you are not sure you can get tested, that will go a long way. evennd if we have states and cities say you can go out, you can shop. if people are scared for their lives if we go out. people are going to hesitate to leave even if they have permission. this is not an issue of government saying okay get back out there. you have got to be able to get the test results back quickly. and you have to be able to trace contact. so governors and mayors feel comfortable opening up their cities so people like us feel comfortable getting back out there. liz: the public will step up and give that market reality check if they don't feel safe. civil libertarians are up in arms about the phone apps that can trace you. and the use of drones with the voices of mayors in places like elizabeth, new jersey and in florida and california where flying oh people's heads with the voice of mayors saying go back inside, you are violating the shelter in place orders. people are saying that's not what america is about. it violates our values. >> i live in washington, d.c. just going biking, as you mentioned, you have police cruisers going by, telling people to disperse. even if the streets aren't cluttered. i understand mayors and city 0 officious are rightfully aware of this spreading. all of us are looking to move to a place where we can begin moving to a sense of normality. there are positive signs coming out of europe. you look at the plans for the gradual reopening of society. i think we'll see that here as well. liz: that's true. certainly many countries in europe arere talking about reopening. we appreciate it. liz: you will want to watch this next segment. it's about the drugs and vaccines that about to be up and running, we'll bring in the former director of the peace corps. stay there. i am totally blind. and non-24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424. beautifying the landscape, purifying our water supply, filtering the air we breathe, and cooling the climate. they anchor the forests where we retreat to play, connect with one another, and commune with nature. now more than ever, our national forests need us. fires, insects and disease devastate our forests each year. that's why the arbor day foundation is putting out the call to plant more trees and preserve and protect the ones we already have. visit arbor day dot org and see how you can help make a difference. we all want our kids to grow up safe and healthy. so we show them how. and we tell them with honest conversations that let them know what we expect. that's especially important when it comes to alcohol and other drugs. kids need to know the dangers and how to avoid them. and when it comes to pain medications - opioids - they need to know that they should never be taken without a prescription and never shared with friends or family. it's dangerous and illegal. so, talk with your kids. because when you talk, they hear you. it's more than just fast. it keeps all your devices running smoothly. with built-in security that protects your kids... ...no matter what they're up to. it protects your info... ...and gives you 24/7 peace of mind... ...that if it's connected, it's protected. even that that pet-camera thingy. 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>> this is a terrible story. we have 0 aircraft carriers. we have a second one that's been infected. the navy is not just doing a good job. we had the he bear is the of firing the captain on the ship. the secretary of the navy had to resign after an idiotic thing he did. >> we clearly don't have enough tests for the department of defense. two aircraft carrier is an awful lot. there are just 18. it's very, very troubling. not speaking up for the sailors or soldiers who need help. it's a very crowded environment on these vessels. great guys, men and women, tremendous amount of work. very, very talented. they can't protect themselves. i mean admirals and above need to get their heads on straight and get this story back on track and it's not, it's only getting worse. liz: a top pentagon health official saying -- >> this is as important as missiles and bullets. this is a war. the front line is our heath providers. but the other piece of that is readiness of our soldiers, airmen and marines, coast guard, sailors. fire the leadership. the secretary of the navy over the comments he made. the greatest nation in the world can't have this kind of a problem on a for we have been fighting the last 19 years. liz: other countries around the world,ie their own militaries ae getting infected with covid-19. david norquist sent a veiled juaningcl to china. the u.s. is ready to defend interests in i the south china a after the navy did ground the uss teddy roosevelt. and picked up the phone and called venezuela. we understand what your issues are. we are using the navy to combat narco terrorists and drug cartels. are you saying stop this problem now we we can do the decembers at d hand, is that it? >>? yes. and the war on drugs is something we lost years ago. the con sum sun and the policy issues. the peoplee speaking, the vice mayormen. they have a jobav right now. they can't protect their soldiers if the soldiers are sick. and they can't protect the nation if the soldiers and sailors are sick. they are failing on the men part. this is a senior leadership problem. it needs to be addressed now. thisis means more people getting firedor besides the secretary of the navy. liz: i just want to understand, i want to be clear what you are saying. we have a number of ships now infected. so what you are talking about is the former acting navy secretary thomas modly resigning over his comments about captain crozier. captain crozier was relieved of his command over a letter he wrote. he was up moring the navy to step in because hundreds of sailorsnd on his boat are sick. the navy has not ruled out reinstating captain crosser. he absolutely. it was a huge mistake they made. the commander of the air force was on that aircraft carrier. the first thing he did was send a letter. he called and sent mess ands. this was a last-ditch effort. his sailors love him. the other problem he had in the last 8 or 9 years. these kinds of crises show us good and bad leadership. what we are seeing now is bad and needs to be corrected. we need more captains of the uss roosevelt and less if you want to keep this force the best in the world. liz: thank you so much for coming on. we appreciate your insights. and thank you for your service to our country. we hope you have a good easter weekend. liz: this is a big fight coming up. getting u.s. manufacturing back home to make medical supplies that had previously been outsourced to china. the president's push to use the defense production act. can it be used to bring manufacturing back home? 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>> it's a good way to exercise our capability. but unless we continue to need ventilators in a large quantity, these are industries that will switch back. but there is no question at all both here in the united states and the rest of north america and canada and mexico, there is tremendous capability to mf things that are currently being outsourced to china and other locations and we have to change that. liz: i hear what you are saying. china is trying to become a global super power. it's on a new medical belts and roads push. there is finger pointing over what's going on with the strategic stockpile. the stockpile was depleted after the h1n1 pandemic and it was not replenished. and congress found that there was about 100 million n5 respirator masks that weren't replenished. people are criticizing it saying president trump didn't do enough. they are saying it's not his problem but it's been prior administrations. >> when you inherit something it's easy not to take it on immediately. it certainly wasn't the only priority this president had coming out of the obama years. but instead of playing the blame game, what we need to do is genuinely review not just the stockpile but our ability to ramp up quickly. there was no amo

north korea's line that north korea has no cases. that cannot be believed. also the line of rhetoric we are hearing in the media that other administration's pandemic responses were state of the art and we are learning they were not. dating back from the 1980s. the pandemic response on the federal and state and local level was not up to speed. you look at the rhetoric coming out of china. the american institute is sayi saying. -- saying 2.9 infections in china. we are seeing social media lighting up in bangladesh and pakistan against what is going on in china. do you think the world is wake up saying we can't go through another pandemic like this? >> one of my medical colleagues has with been in touch with an infectious disease doc. one of the things the chinese doctor said to my friend is how come you all aren't wearing masks in america. the reason is, you have them and you are not selling them to us. that was a problem and it goes back to the supply chain. what they will do to their own people and keep them in the dark. but the world is waking up. h.i.v., it was four years before we had a reliable clinical test. i just would like to point out one of the opportunities that we have on the medical side, we have a lot of people who have gotten it and have recovered, and they will be eligible people to donate plasma that can help others that get this. liz: the issue is, too, should the president use the defense production act, should that be a step towards getting the medical supply chain back in the united states. china is moving to be a super power with the belt and road project. it tried to corner the market on remdesivir. it tried to get as many ventilators that it could before it told the world that it had an epidemic on its hands that turned into a pandemic. dr. robert darling is one of the leading infectious disease doctors. he's still saying china won't give over the virus samples to study. that tells you it could have been an accidental release out of a viral lab. or they don't want to admit the virus he natee emanated from the province. how do you hold china accountable? those are some of the ideas republicans are pushing on now. what do you think? >> i think we need to:pursue that avenue and see what happened. we have had terrorist attacks where certain countries did take responsibility and we were able to get some compensation. but i don't expect them to change their behavior. but we have to change how we view china and how we work with china or better yet how we don't work with china because they can't be trusted. liz: congressman wenstrup, thank you for joining us. next up. the hot debate about reopening. can the u.s. do it? will the nation's 50 governors agree to the plan to reopen? we'll debate it. r, i need all the breaks that i can get. 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do we know when the vaccines will be ready, when the tests will be ready? people are feeling there are bottlenecks in delays in testing. people are exhausted and want information. there have been delayed getting those reports. if someone knows they are sick. even if they are not showing symptoms. most people because they have common sense will stay home and avoid infecting people. if you contact somebody you think has it and you have to wait a few weeks, that's lost time. it's essential we build that testing capability. we had bureaucracy that wasn't permitting different times of testing kits. we have seen some of that resolved. i'm hoping going forward the bottle necks will be much fewer. if we want main street to reopen again. we have seen 10 million jobs wiped out in just a few weeks. we have given up the gains that took years to sack inquiry. years to ainquiry. a -- acquire. liz: here is the information coming out of oxford university. they are estimating 60% of the e u.k. has already been infected and have immunity. we have seen the initial fatality rates go down in the u.s. we don't know. nobody knows what the death toll will be that's a staggering number. it's concerning. but testing is key. we know new york state and the region of new york, connecticut, new jersey. whose model do you think works the best when it comes to testing? do you think you should get tested at your job? >> even if you are not sure you have the right symptoms, you can get tested. even if we have states and cities say you can open back up and you can go back to work and shop. if people are scared for their lives to go out because they don't know whether they have the antibodies. people are going to hesitate to leave even if they have permission. this is not just the government saying get back out there. we try to hammer home that point. you have got to be able to get the test results back quickly, and you have to be able to trace so we can restore confidence so governors and mayors are confident opening up their cities and people like me and you feel confident getting out there. liz: if they don't feel safe, they ain't going to come out and consume and shop. civil libertarians are up in arms about the phone apps that can trace you. and the use of drones with the voices of mayors in new jersey, florida and california where voices are flying over people's heads saying go back inside, you are violating the shelter in place order. that's not what america is about, they are saying it violates our values. >> it's police cruisers going by, telling people to disperse, even if you are on bikes, you are directed to different streets. i understand mayor and stiff officials are rightfully wary of this spreading. i think all of us are looking to move to a place where we can begin moving to a sense of normality. you look at some of the plans in place to gradually reopen society. i think we'll see that here as well. >> it's true. certainly many countries in the europe are talking about reopening. thanks so much for joining us. we appreciate it. you are going to want to watch this next segment. it's about the drugs and vac seents that will be up and running. we'll bring on the former director. stay there. t an incomplete job from anyone else. so why accept it from your allergy pills? 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[♪] liz: let's bring in our next guest be former peace corps medical director. he has been work as a surgeon in the most dire situation. dr. steven weinberg. good to see you. can you give us the update on the status of vaccines and drugs and blood plasma therapy? how many months away are we to scope the covid-19 outbreak? >> i hope not much. in the days or weeks. in the last two hours the "new england journal of medicine" tweeted that they are involved in a remdesivir study, one of the anti-virals ," and the preliminary dat data looks good. we have been hearing about hydroxychloroquine for self weeks. we keep hearing it's anecdotal. but when they have get up to self thousand people they are not anecdotal any more. they are not double blind studies, but they are looking very good. everybody with a chemistry set in the world is trying something. several different studies in the same whose. it's looking very, very good right now. liz: there are 70 countries with 100 different clinical trials under way. the n.i.h. launching a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine. the pushback has been because there hasn't been a controlled test. but you are saying there have been enough anecdotal results. but the question is if it works on people with preexisting conditions. >> and does it work early. can it be used troph before thet sick. all of those need to be answered. but we are drinking out after fire hose right now. and we need answers, results as quick as possible. and we'll get back to all the wonderful scientific studies the next self months. where it d the next several months. where it's working that one seems to be working well and lots of folks are on it. liz: we have japan, avagan. the university of pittsburgh has a promising vaccine. , and in australia a tuberculosis drug. that's what they are work on there. more than 300,000 people worldwide have recovered. that means possible blood plasma therapies. are you optimistic about that? >> very. and a number of major medical centers in this country are now harvesting blood plasma and giving it to the most critically ill patients. this is not somebody with a runny nose or sore throat. these are for the real sick people. we have a lot of people in this country who recovered. they can donate their plasma he week. you spin off the plasma and give the blood back. all you are taking off is the liquid part. the antibodies are in there. this is not brand-new scientifically. we are use it with early good results in other cases. and you can recreate those antibodies in a laboratory. those are the antibodies we want to give people in a vaccine so they will create those antibodies which will give them immunity. liz: this is a scary disease because it immediately takes the oxygen out of your blood. even before you show shortness of breath, it takes the oxygen off. we saw the rise, then the plateau, then they fall. sit went away with sars by june and july. but it could come back. spanish flu did come back. are you concerned about this coming back in the fall and winter? >> have much so. spanish flu came back three times. we don't know if it's weather dependent. we do know this disease is present in a lot of countries right now that are warm. there is a terrible outbreak in ecuador on the shore. there are lots of sick people. we have to plan that it will and hope that it won't. that's what the vaccine research will do. if it comes back and we have plenty of people immune and the vaccine is working, then we are in good shape. liz: thanks for joining us, sir. be well. >> thank you, you, too. liz: a sailor from the uss teddy roosevelt was admitted to hospital after being found unconscious. there is another outbreak responsible board the nimitz. this is about military readiness. this is about keeping our soldiers and military safe. when we face adversity, we find a way through it. it's about taking care of each other. it's the small parts that make a big difference. at chevy, we promise to do ours. we're offering current chevy owners onstar crisis assist services and complimentary wifi data. to help keep you on the road, the chevy certified service experts are here and ready to help if you require parts, maintenance or repairs. you can even schedule your service appointments online. it's just our way of doing our part. then you might have a dcondition called dry mouth.? 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north korea needs to be taken with a massive dose of salt. one north korea expert told me it could be days, maybe even longer to know any kind of truth out of the country. >> reporter: this was the last time kim jong-un was seen in public. april 11th. a meeting with his top advisers and just a day before he reportedly underwent heart surgery. that's according to one south korean report. on april 15th, kim then missed for the first time an annual birthday event honoring his late grandfather, kim il-sung, northea's founder. north korea expert robert carlin says if kim died, his successor, likely his younger sister, would need to secure a power base before taking control of the country. >> you'll have ininsuranexperie koreans at the top. there are going to be factions trying to scramble to the top. >> reporter: but the biggest worry if kim jong-un died is the 30 to 40 nuclear weapons. >> people will breathe a sigh of relief if they discover kim showing up in two days. >> reporter: and they have refuted those initial reports. and north korea observers are saying when it comes to the health of the leader of north korea, you have to take everything with a very good strong dose of skepticism. gayle? >> all right, thank you, ramy inocencio reporting from tokyo. >>> the coronavirus lockdown and other factors caused an historic moment in the oil futures market yesterday. for just a few hours, the benchmark price produced in the country entered negative territory. so that means traders were willing t

north korea. the situation is more stable in the peninsula than it has before. but we have not advanced in negotiations, to get north korea to denuclearize. the northns want a lifting of sanctions but they were not serious about denuclearizing. i think we made a mistake in expecting too much. no more summits with north korea. sounds like kim jong-un is not in any shape for a summit at the moment. thank you, ambassador bill richardson, former governor of new mexico. that will do it for balance of power for today, having covered a fair amount from oil to immigration to north korea. shery: you have been listening to david westin with bill richardson. from new york and toronto, this is bloomberg. ♪ nowadays you do more from home than ever before. the xfinity my account app puts you in control with digital tools to give you the help you need when you need it. get fast and easy answers with personalized help 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. change your wifi password to a phrase that's easy to remember. even troubleshoot 24yourervices on your own.eek. we're working to make things a little easier for everyone. download the xfinity my account app today. scarl

north korea, edwin salvador defending north korea's report that it has ask zero confirmed cases of the virus, despite sharing a border with both china and south korea. the w.h.o. says it's receiving weekly virus updates from the northn regime. so who could question that. this is the world health organization that supported china's contention that the wuhan virus was non-contagious. british scientific journal "nature" apologized for its association of the wuhan virus with china. "naturing writing naming the virus covid-19 was a reminder to those who had been erroneously aassociating the virus with wuhan, including "nature." can you imagine "nature" falling on it's ins in this fashion. those polls from harris found at least 52% of americans agree with using the term chinese virus to describe it. we prefer wuhan since that is the exact place it began. for that reason we are calling it the wuhan virus. forgive us, world health organization. kt mcfarland, former deputy national security advisor to president trump joins us. author of the new book, "we the people. " we commend your book highly to all. let's start with trump's poll numbers. he has been a formidable and his tore egg force. now with these -- and historic for