i know he has spent a lot of time since taking office on this north korean threat right now. elise, stand by. will ripley joining us from beijing. been to north korea a dozen times over the past few years. will, you're getting more regional reaction, reaction coming in from other countries over there where you are? >> reporter: and we know that the chinese government, wolf, continues to reiterate their stance, that the united states shares some of the blame here for the escalating tension on the korean peninsula. what china, we expect, in the coming hours will call for, all sides remain calm despite the news in the "washington post" that north korea, according to the "post p" had a miniaturized nuclear warhead. they need to suspend exercises with south korea and believe if the united states suspended those military exercises, perhaps north korea would be willing to suspend the tetie t stop launching missiles, stop testing more nuclear devices. already conducted five nuclear tests and not ruled out the det devices. the problem, the united states said they absolutely won't disco

today, the full security council has come together to put the north korean dictator on notice emma and this time, the council has matched its words and actions. the resolution we have passed is a strong, united step towards holding north korea accountable for its behavior. the security council increased the penalty of north korea's ballistic missile activity to a whole new level. north korea's irresponsible and careless acts have just proved to be quite costly to the regime. this resolution is the single largest economic sanctions package ever leveled against the north korean regime. the price of the north korean leadership will pay for its continued nuclear and missile development will be the loss of one third of its exports and hard currency. this is the most stringent set of sanctions on any country in a generation. deep, andons will cut in doing so will give the north korean leadership a taste of the deprivation a have chosen to inflict on the north korean people. missilesnd ballistic -- missile development is expensive. the revenues the north korean government received are not goi

north koreans and the americans of not spoken in a sustained serious way in a long, long time. the trunk administration says it is open to engagement. north korea must stop its malaise that ballistic missile testing before those talks begin. the north koreans have said we will talk to the u.s., we are willing to talk and even denuclearization, but we will not do so under threat. i think donald trump's recent statements make it very difficult for north koreans to agree to those talks. we need to create the right atmosphere. we need to get talks going. there are some back channel discussions that go on between some senior state department officials and north koreans. the gears have not yet engaged and i think we have just a few weeks really to defuse tensions before some upcoming u.s. and south korean exercises begin and before north koreans might testing intermediate range missile in the waters around kuan which could create a showdown between the u.s. and north korea. host: jim is waiting in iowa. independent. i believe the north koreans have always talked tough like this for a

in a world where the north korean missile tests seem routine, let me be clear. this is not business as usual. mistake, as north korea's missile capabilities advance, so too does their contempt and disregard for the security council. we must meet this belligerence with clear, unequivocal condemnation, and with clear, unequivocal consequences. president, we have band north korean exports of coal, iron ore, lead, and seafood. these are the lifeline exports that sustain the deadly aspirations. in simple terms, should the north korean regime continue its reckless pursuit of an illegal missile program and deadly nuclear program, they will have vastly less resources to do so. we have also capped the number of foreign workers from north korea. every year, dprk sends thousands of ordinary workers oversee. they often open-door for conditions and long hours, and their toil provides critical concurrency to the north korean government. this is undoubtedly a form of modern slavery. today, we have taken the first step to ending it. the world will now monitor and curtail work au

a sense of as well is the confidence of the north koreans in their technical capabilities. the fact that they are now spelling out specifically what they intend to do in terms of the range, the missile trajectory, to go 2100 miles from the korean peninsula to the island of guam, a small 210 square-mile island, 30% of which is u.s. military assets. they are essentially saying, we can strike, we can demonstrate exactly how we will do it, and perhaps this is the only way from the north korean perspective to send a message to president trump that they are serious, that they will strike back if they feel threatened by the united states. so, clearly the rhetoric has now been dialed up even further. if it was white hot yesterday, it's even hotter today. >> certainly is. and the statement concludes with these very ominous words, and let me read it to our viewers. the kpa strategic force of north korea will finally complete the plan until mid august and report it to the commander in chief of the dprk nuclear force and wait for his order. we keep closely watching the speech and behavi

in a world where north korean missile tests seem routine, let me be clear. this is not business as usual. make no mission take. as north korea's missile capabilities advance, so too does their contempt and disregard for this security council. we must meet this blue ridge rens with clear, unequivocal condemnation and with clear unequivocal consequences. today, mr. president, we have banned north korean exports of coal, iron ore lead and seafood. these are the lifeline exports that sustain kim jung un's aspirations. should they continue their pursuit of an illegal missile program and a deadly nuclear program they will have vastly less resources to do so. we've also capped the number of foreign workers from north korea. every year, they send thousands of ordinary workers overseas. they often endure poor conditions and long hours and their toil serves to provide critical foreign currency for north korean government coffers. this is undoubtedly a forge of modern slavery and today we have taken the first steps to ending it. this is undoubtedly a the world will now

president trump on that it working vacation in new jersey making the toughest language yet toward the north koreane. on tuesday during another briefing on the opioid crisis here in america, he was asked a question about north korea. his language was something we have not heard from an american president. >> north korea best not make anymore threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal statement. and as i said, they will be met with fire and fury and frankly power. the likes of which this world has never seen before. >> fire and fury certainly not the words of diplomacy. president trump essentially drawing his own red line toward north korea. the president's words seemingly off the cuff coming this response to a question certainly would seem to escalate this more than deescalate it. it certainly heightens what is the biggest crisis now facing the administration. >> this is hardly the first time north korea has made harsh threats. had this one being taken more seriously? we want to go to alexander field

first here let me read a few quotes here says china could easily solve this problem meaning the north korean problem that unfortunate character the u.s. has at the united nations that nikki haley says time for talk is over before we get to how the u.s. and its allies look at north korea can you explain to us how the north koreans see their dilemma of be threatening western powers and their neighbor to the south. well peter let's not forget the north korean issue was largely issue resulted from the cold war i mean the cold war largely waged by president harry truman based on an i c sixty eight document largely about the perception of soviet fear rather than the factual assertions about soviet fear and then of course the invaded the north korea the korean peninsula which was one country throughout much of history up until the second world war it was one country one people one culture but then unfortunately the war happened and twenty percent of the north korean population were wiped out of this earth thanks largely due to the u.s. invasion so the memory of history is still fresh and currently

that's been more necessary for the north korean regime than for most other totalitarian regimes that we know. north korea is unnatural state. there's absolutely no reason for this country to exist apart from sustaining this one family in power indefinitely. more than china, more than the soviet union, more than burma in recent years or any other totalitarian state you can think of. its existence depends on maintaining myths, myths about the true history of the korean war, myths about the origins of the kim regime. myths about the economic well-being of the people of north korea relative to those living in south korea and the rest of the world. and its success in creating those myths is why it has succeeded over the years and it is also what makes it particularly vulnerable for a strategy that punctures those myths by exposing people of north korea to information. and 20 years ago most people in the north had no idea, no clue what was going on outside their borders. that's changed to a dramatic extent. this began during the great 1990's when many north koreans had to make their way to

another fateful year in the north korean relations with the world. january of 1992, the joint declaration was signed between the north and south and both sides committed not to process, store, ship, hold, use nuclear , then the u.s. imposed missiles sanctions in june of that year, and then the iaea said there were irregularities in north korea's first nuclear declaration. 25 years ago, that happened. 25 years ago, i don't think we would have said 25 years from that point we'd be on kim regime 3.0. that it would be a full-on nuclear weapons state and that it would be a cyber power. we wouldn't know what that was in 1992, a cyber power, right? as one of my mentors is fond of saying, problems don't age well. so now we're 25 years on and we are where we are. however, on the cyber threat, we are seeing a ramp up in north korean cyber capabilities over the last decade, eight years specifically, that kind of harkens back to the kind of ramp up in, you know, their gaining of nuclear knowledge, nuclear capabilities. right? s attack,9, a major ddo north korea a

i've been involved with this north korean question for 20 years now. part of the problem is there has never been good options. and i think wes makes an important point on the degree of rationality. the good news about north korea is they are a criminal regime. so they want to stay in power. so that makes them less likely to do some act that would bring armageddon down on them. having said that, remember they have shot down a u.s. air force aircraft, they seized a u.s. navy ship at sea, there was a couple three years of active warfare on the dmz in the '60s. so we have an issue with this guy and i think the next time around either president trump or the south koreans will not tolerate a major strike on us. so this is a very dangerous situation. >> what is the proper response here, what would you advise president trump do? >> there are no great options. we have to diplomatically engage, we have to go to the chinese and say you people will not be better off with a nuclear-armed unstable north korea. what if they strike at the japanese or threaten the u.s.

in a world where north korean missile tests seem routine, let me be clear. this is not business as usual. make no mistake. as north korea's missile capabilities advance, so tooir does their contempt in this m regard for this security council. council. we must meet this belligerence with clear unequivocal condemnation and with clear unequivocal consequences. of today, mr. president, we have bad north korean exports of coal, iron ore, land and sea seafood. these are the lifeline exports that sustain kim jong-un deadly aspirations. in simple terms should the north korean regime continue, they will have vastly less resources to do so. we have kept the number of foreign workers from north korea.ds every year dprk said styles of ordinary workers overseas. they offer often into her poor condition long hours and their total service to provide critical foreign currency for north korean government coffersv this is undoubtedly a form of modern slavery. and today we've taken the first outstanding it. the world will now monitor and curtail work authorizations to these des

an american in north korean custody.later died. those talks obviously haven't calmed tensions, but they could become a foundation for more serious negotiations. we turn now for a view from north korean capital, pyongyang, and associated press correspondent rafael wober. rafael, thank you very much: rafael, during past points of tension, we've seen things like air raid drills, camouflaged cars in the streets of pyongyang. but today it's actually quiet. why is that? >> i think here people have lived with this threat of war for decades so, on the streets of pyongyang, it is still calm. there isn't preparation visible here for war. but the statement which came from the general in charge of the d.p.r.k.'s strategic forces, that's its missile forces, that came from him this week is something new, and it sets a bar, it sets a kind of -- something to try to focus u.s. attention on making steps towards negotiations sooner rather than later. >> here in the u.s. kim jong un is often disparaged. i want to play sound, one u.s. ambass

the north koreans are always complaining about these kinds of things. complaining about joint military exercises the united states does with south koreans, complaining about this piece of equipment, that piece of the claimant. -- equipment. they have in making a stink about the b-1's coming from guam. the threat now is a challenge to differentiate from a strike or attack. the north koreans are not saying they will strike or attack obama. they are certainly not saying they will try -- the north koreans are not saying they will strike or attack guam or that they will set off a nuclear attack. what they will do it is more in termsnd problematic of how the united states respond . what they say they will do is fire for missiles to miss guam. they are even avoiding the territorial waters around guam. if they execute this, is to fire missiles as a demonstration of power, a challenge to the united states. they call it the "enveloping fire," and shooting around guam, not at guam. host: let's get our viewers in the conversation. professor john delury joining us fr

. >>> we're following a lot of breaking developments on the north korean threat so let's get right to it. >>> north korea threaten is the u.s. territory of guam in response to two american bombers flying over the korean peninsula. >> it represents the greatest crisis undoubtedly since the cuban missile crisis. >> i think that -- u.s. officials have's s assessed nor korea has a miniature warhead. >> they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. >> what he was basically doing is threatening a you into clear war against north korea. >> it is important for our president not to be unpredictable. >> he does need to reinforce the message of deterrence. >> by using this kind of language we are playing right into kim jong-un's hands. >>> this is "new day." >>> good morning, everyone. welcome to your in the new day. bill weir joins me. we've already had a lot of breaking news. >> is it like this every morning? >> little bit. this seems to be a bit of a different category today but we're glad you are here. >>> we do start with breaking news at this hour. secretary of state r

and you know the north korean regime doesn't want to see that happen again and uses the south but if there's another war it is a korean war true there will be an absolute apocalyptic collapse catastrophe in east asia. north korea has i'm to itself with the deepest sense of security that it thinks it needs to protect itself against another onslaught by the united states it's very simple. and the north koreans are not going to preemptively launch their nuclear missiles against the united states although they can't do it right now. the only time they will you they're not suicidal the only time they'll use them is if they believe the united states is about to take them out. so essentially it is it is to preserve the regime in the in the current political order there but seems quite reasonable here in the i'm glad you mention it calling the north korean regime in saying on balance and all that it does not help whatsoever it's very rational to protect yourself or a gentlemen to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on north

look at it from the north korean side. if those missiles are shot down, that's a risk for north korea because it shows that the threat may not be as great as they 'ade to their people and the world. this will be the first real life test of u.s. missile defenses if this were to happen. >> it's also a test of back channel communications. what we don't know, we heard rex tillerson yesterday but what we don't know is if there are, what back channel communications are going on with china, quite frankly, to try and de-escalate all of this, to try and make sure that this doesn't occur, and that none of this has to happen despite what the rhetoric is out there, despite the fact that each side is ratcheting it up. >> john kirby, how hard would it be for the u.s. to shoot down four incoming intermediate range ballistic missiles heading towards guam? >> it's tricky stuff. you got to be close enough to get that shot. you can certainly do it in the terminal phase but they're doing it quickly there and you don't want to have to take your

he helped to get the release of one of the americans that the north koreans had held prisoner for a while. he has been very instrumental in formulating not only intelligence policy but overall policy toward north korea. it has been a challenge that has really plagued us since the early 1950s. the issue that general clapper raised is one that really gets to the heart of the matter. we have to be very careful with how we discuss these kind of things. the fact of the matter is, we are talking about something that is a report of a capability. it is not the use of the capability and it is not something that results from that use of the capability. so we are at risk of engaging in overheated rhetoric at a time when they haven't specifically done the kinds of things or met the kind of thresholds that we would require another nation to meet before we went to attack them. >> cedrick leighton, thank you very much, colonel. >> both sides of the aisle are not pleased with the president's threat to kim jong-un. >> this is so irresponsible, i can't even believe that he did this. >> more on how all of t

t was the north korean guerrillas in the mountains that did this. if you look ght, cross from the south into the north into the dmz and you get binocular powered things, almost anywhere you statues of or four im ill song in these mock so i es they've built think as long as the kim family is in control, the public narrative of the korean the democratic peoples republic of north korea is going the same. it's the other countries with ccess to documents, new interpretatio at rpretations, looking changes that have taken place is what is causing the memory to parts of the r world. you >>> for as little money as possible. protect thing was to american lives, liberty, and property from tyrants foreign and domestic. >> then new jersey residents and the 1967 discuss rebellion. >> there were 268 reports of fire. no snipers were ever found. no evidence. other than police gun shells. no footprints. fingerprints. nothing was found. yet 26 people were killed. policeman, one fireman. the rest citizens. forces he three police operating. thisee

but people seem to be continually surprised by north korean breakthroughs. when i was in the cia1999 we worked on an unclassified national intelligence element that predicted by 2015 north korea would have the capability to hit the u.s. with a nuclear weapon. gerri: first it looks like the cuban miss soil crisis. now it looks like the manhattan project. how concerned should we be and what kinds of protection do we have for ourselves, for our own people? >> north korea has been working on its nuclear program since the 1960s. but under kim jong-un we have seen an exponential increase in the number of launches for the systems still in development and deployed systems exercising the warplanes. we have the icbm and intermediate range missile that can reach guam. also already medium-range missiles that can reach south korea and a japan already. we have ground based interceptors to defend the home landlord. gerri: i understand the north koreans have something like 60 nuclear warheads, we have 6,800. but the bottom line isn't the number because any one of these could

north korea and the united states? >> good morning, there are two elements to this. from the south korean presidency, we hear there is no eminent crisis, they are watching for any new provocations from north korea and that they are determined to pursue a path of peace. underneath the surface, there is anxiety because i think that down beat reaction reflects decades of south koreans listening to fiery rhetoric from the north. but now for the first time ever they are listening to fiery rhetoric from the president of the united states. they haven't heard this in decades. and they are worried about it because as you say, no one stands to lose more in any kind of war than south korea. this is absolutely the front line. there are 10,000 artillery tubes pointed in the direction of seoul. never mind nuclear weapons and the south koreans have woken up to new realities now. they now know from that intelligence assessment their neighbor to the north is nuclear armed and now know they have heard donald trump's threats but what do those threats mean? what constitutes a threat for the president of the

and that will just further anger the north koreans. they always see these as a provocation. >> that is a good final note. kelly cobiella, thank you so very much. to miguel almanguer in guam, courtney kube at the pentagon and kristen welker, you're going to be another easy friday afternoon and evening for you all at the new jersey white house. thanks so much for today. >> thanks, andrea. >>> colonel jack jacobs joins me now. jack, you and i have seen a lot of threats and counterthreats over the last decades. but this -- the last couple of days, the language, the rhetoric coming out of new jersey, and the response, understandably from the bellicose north korean regime, just reaches a whole new level. we're talking about two nuclear countries, one doesn't have delivery systems yet, but we're on the -- really on the point of the tip of the spear, as the government in guam says. >> these are interesting times to be sure. no matter what happens, the united states has the conventional capability to utterly destroy the north korean forces. the

north korea. >> director of the institute for korean studies. i'm the moderator of today's panel and at the great pleasure of introducing our three distinguished speakers, dr. robert colluding and dr. greg brzezinski. the topic is how to handle north korea. more specifically we mean how to do with north korean issues and the recent rhetorical crisis. looking at what happened just a few days ago in the korean peninsula, north korea firing another, this time, three missiles short-range missiles from its east coast. i think it is very timely and important topic to discuss and so we are extremely grateful to have three expert here today. we also warmly welcome all of you, make sure to have enough time for q&a and hope we have fruitful discussions later. today's panel is cosponsored by the institute for korean studies and the institute for humanitarian policy studies. first, just a few points for housekeeping. i want to thank my colleagues for organizing this panel, and the two institutes for their hard work in helping organizing this event. i also wa

the north koreans only ally of sorts is not terribly happy with it. that would be china. so what is the source of hostility between us and north korea? to the get a lot out of that? do we? how would we solve this? oddly enough, and i believe this alone and i will come back to it if people are interested. i think the key for me oddly enough is human rights. if the north korean human rights situation was not what it is, i think normalization would be easily imaginable. thank you. [applause] >> thanks for those three analysis. now we would like to move on to dr. etzioni. >> i'm fortunate to follow up dr. gallucci. first of all i found a soulmate. he left his genes behind, so did i, so maybe the future we can create a new norm, especially formal attire. and also he did a wonderful job of outline options, which allows me to move directly to speak to what option which i believe is more promising than others. i choose my words carefully when i say more promising than others. i'm not saying there may be no great option but i think i tried to show that compares favorably to the oth

nikki haley praised the severity of the resolution the price the north korean leadership will pay for its continued nuclear and missile development will be the loss of one third of its exports and hard currency this is the most stringent set of sanctions on any country and a generation. in the response to the sanctions to north korea issued a stern warning to the united nations and threaten the united states mainland with a potential nuclear strike meanwhile the foreign ministers of both south and north korea met briefly over the weekend in a failed attempt to normalize relations artie's election has further details tonight while these measures are indeed tougher than before they were adopted over the weekend by the u.n. security council and they involve ban on the exports of a lot of things that basically form the north korean economy such as coal and iron ore seafood and many many other things also including the reduction of the current numbers of north korean laborers working abroad and also prohibiting new joint ventures with an investment in joint ventures with north korea obviou

north koreans, chinese, everything under the control of the south koreans. it didn't stop the armistice because both the soviets and the americans, the two driving forces on either side, had decided there was going to be in armistice. and it came about. but that's the way things began. in this context of nationally driven narratives, mike is absolutely correct that things began to change in 1988 with the seoul olympics, but they continued with the collapse of the soviet union and the opening of archives in eastern europe and moscow. we began to get documents that charles krause referred to to tell us what really went on. we learned some very different accounts from what we had thought. we found out, among other things, that the north koreans had been the ones really pushing for the invasion and they had been put off for a long time by stalin. we found out that stalin changed his mind, that he was getting pushed very hard by mao zedong to return a lot of the concessions made to the people's republic by the nationalist regime in 1945. mao changed his mind beca

the north korean people inside country. as you know, north korea is a surveillance state, it basically its power and control from surveilling its own people and repressing its own people. i think that in some circumstances, works against us and works for the north korean own e to control their people. host: if north korea gets into the arms race and tries to to everything that happens on the korean penince have resources to do that, it could exhaust the dictatorship? guest: north korea get resources from different sources. we know trade with chien china, 90% of trade is with china. they sell mineral to countrys funding, foreign currency from illegal operations north korea. we've heard many things they have done before, selling drugs, selling counterfeit cigarettes, ways they earn currency so they it feeds development of nuclear weapon and laliftic missile program. own people, r sometimes to countries outside of north korea to earn through work, through logging, forestry in russia and channelsces, those are of currents that h

well peter let's not forget the north korean issue was largely issue resulted from the cold war i mean the cold war largely waged by president harry truman based on an i c sixty eight document largely about the perception of soviet fear rather than factual assertions about soviet fear and then of course the invaded the north korea the korean peninsula which was one country throughout much of history up until the second world war it was one country one people one culture and then unfortunately the war happened and twenty percent of the north korean population were wiped out of this earth thanks largely due to the us invasion so the memory of history is still fresh and currently the north koreans have. i'm not defending the north koreans but they do have legitimate security concerns you know one hundred and sixty thousand u.s. troops stationed across western pacific the cold war architecture for deployment remaining largely intact and also around military exercises between south korea and

that said, the interpretation from the north koreans could very well be in the face of cooperation withhe south koreans military operations by the americans in this region, in the face of what the president says, maybe he really means to destroy me. maybe he means to overturn my regime. in the midst of this kind of tension, if you're the president, you can't afford to have a foreign leader misinterpret what you say. the fundamental principle is simple. the hotter it gets in the kitchen, the cooler the cook has to be. and the president is getting hotter. that's not a good way to do business. >> bianna, i want you to weigh in as well. the president issued that threat saying if the north koreans make any more threats, you know what's going to happen. now the north korean military said they are examining the operational plan to strike around the u.s. territory of guam, which has a significant u.s. military presence there. how do you see it? >> well, it could, in fact, be calling his bluff. it was a bit disconcerting to see the president say those words, not with his national security adviso

so, you know, we have the north koreans and donald trump exchanging insults as perhaps only they can. anderson. >> the secretary of defense james mattis issued a strong warning to north korea today. >> very serious minded in comparison to what we saw from others. the secretary of defense, let me read some of what he said very, very stern saying "the dprk, north korea, should cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people. the dprk regime's actions will continue to be grossly overmatched by ours and would loose any arms race. the secretary making clear he's not -- the u.s. is not going to tolerate north korea launching an attack. >> secretary of state rex tillerson today seems to be dialing down in the wake of the president's comments yeds. >> everyone is wondering is this the good cop-bad cop routine. listen for a minute what the secretary of state had to say. >> i think what the president was doing was sending a strong message to north korea in language that kim jong un would understand. because he doesn't seem to underst

if they took action against north korea, the north koreans would go crazy. during the first nuclear crisis over korea, the leader of north korea, the grandfather of the he calledader, together his military people and asked them if he could beat the and then asked if they lost, what would happen and his son spoke up and said if we lose, i will destroy the of because what good is the earth with north korea? withannot really do that nuclear weapons and biological agents, but he can make a -- ofdous amount of him damage. china worries they could fire missiles at them on the peninsula and the chinese have deployed a mintz -- missile defense system because they are worried. host: joe osama line. caller: -- joe is on the line. caller: you are doing a wonderful job as most hosts do. many don't realize we are still officially at war with these folks. i want to know from a diplomatic point of view, what can the united states and china and north korea do to get together and say look, let's stop the war ? what would you propose? i think the difficulty is north koreans ar

this is about not just saving ourselves, but there are 200,000 north koreans in concentration camps inth korea. this is a human rights issue. we do have the press d. dent where we can get -- precedent where can you get rid of the weapons of mass destruction. even if it was, this nation does unprecedented things all the time. and convince lunatics to give up. china is helpful now. china has said, if north korea strikes first you are on your own. that is a gift. and i think that shows that they understand that donald trump is serious, that the american people understand what is at stake here, despite the rhetoric we're hearing, awful rhetoric, not supporting the president, casting him as shockingly as the aggressor. no one around the world believes that. >> i want to bring up something else you said recently, tammy, you recently wrote an article on, quote, the smug bigotry of trump haters where you highlight the, quote, thinly veiled contempt of those unlike society's all-knowing benefactors. the poster boys of this behavior, is jim acosta and his cluelessness debating steven miller on i

north koreans don't get out of north korea much. how do they bump up against an american? and last problem i think people in this country don't understand well the power of propaganda. the people you bump up against that you want to serve american interests because they don't trust their own leader are going to be indoctrinated for 40 or 50 years he's not only the political leader but the answer for everything in north korea. that's a tough recruitment target, what we call intelligence a hard target. difficult to get a picture of what they think, wolf. >> the u.s. intelligence community believes kim jong-un is rational, maybe unpredictable but rational. he wants to survive and the regime to survive. >> we should dispense with that notion that you have a crazy man there because who knows what his mental state is, but at least the strategic steps taken by north korea maybe sense because in their view, their only means of survival. they look to the iraq invasion and the libbians who gave up nukes and what happened to their regime. so a lot of these acts make sense in a brutal

for example, want to be a able to arm themselves and be able to tee fend themselves against a north korean strike which may not have an american counterstrike so this is what's concerning less that north korea will be able to hit the united states because it's not likely they'll want to do so because with our counterstrike will be extremely difficult for north korea. >> colonel jacobs -- >> but they'll be able to strike our allies in the eastern pacific. >> colonel jacobs, it's tim seymour. doesn't abe need a strong show or support from the allies and if so, what is that response >> yeah, it does because the japanese are very much concerned about what they perceive to be our -- maybe not our -- clearly not our inability, our reluctance to strike north korea. what's going to happen probably increase joint exercises in the seas around south korea and japan, and what should come as an affirmation of american commitment to defending japan. >> so what do you think the u.s.' next steps would be or should be? >> well, i think we are and should send an increased naval presence in the region, altho

david: the fact that north koreans miniaturized nuclear weapons. miniaturized nuke in the hands of a terrorist is a frightening thing. >> that's what we have been telling the officers in the pentagon. you don't have to have interballistic missile capability to use it as a weapon. david: be sure to vote in tonight's poll. do you believe in cyber china to stop aiding and abetting china. cast your vote on twitter @loudobbs. a reminder to follow lou @loudobbs, like the show on facebook and instagram @loudobbs tonight. the dow up 14 points. volume on the big board 3.1 billion shares. for the week the dow falling 1%s and the s. & p and nasdaq 1.5%. a reminder to listen to lou's reports three times a day coast to coast on the salem radio network. west virginia governor jim justice is a proud republican supporting president trump. >> he's got real ideas, he cares about america and cares about us, west virginians. david: governor justice joining me next to discuss yes switched me next to discuss yes switched parties and why the democrats do you remember wha

no sign of a north korean diplomat here. >> thanks so both of you. we know you're continuing to monitor the ongoing situation while rex tillerson is at the region in an asian summit. the topic of north korea brush for discussion. >>> ahead in the newsroom, today, who could possibly follow the mooch? how about a white house policy adviser days after his heated argument with a cnn reporter? you're live in the cnn newsroom. >> announcer: cnn newsroom brought to you by ruby tuesday. wise man, i'm nervous about things i can't control... affecting my good credit score. i see you've planted an uncertainty tree. chop that thing down. the clarity you seek... lies within the creditwise app from capital one. creditwise helps you protect your credit. and it's completely free for everyone. it's free for everyone? do hawks use the stars to navigate? i don't know. aw, i thought you did. i don't know either. either way it's free for everyone. cool. what's in your wallet? finding the best hotel price is whoooo. now a safe bet. because tripadvisor searches... ...over 2

monitors north korean state media official statements to see what that says about their intentions. clearly, north korea watching u.s. national media about its coverage of the president, referencing his frequency of golf outs. today saying in their statement that president trump, the american president in the words of the north koreans, u.s. president at the golf links again, let out a load of nonsense about fire and fury, failing to grasp the ongoing grave situation. so that a bit of a rhetorical shot across the bow. but let's be frank here as well. north korea made a very specific and threat threat, specifying a target, guam, where the u.s. has two military bases, a kind of missile in intermediate ballistic missile and even the number of missiles it claims it would use, four missiles. i spoke to a senior military official in the pentagon tonight. he said when an adversary like that, particularly a nuclear adversary like that makes a threat like that they take it very seriously. >> earlier tillerson was at a refueling stop in guam. it sounds like he was trying to calm the situation.

>> the north korean military released the exact information on how fast the four missiles will fly towards guam and how the north intends on letting them explode in the waters instead of on the u.s. territory. that doesn't matter, a close strike would be considered an attack on the u.s. soil. the north korean statement indicates that president trump isn't getting it saying sound dialogue isn't possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him. guam is not only a u.s. territory but a military base. meantime, here at home, we're on a roller coaster of rhetoric. first, the president made his fire and fury comment and rex tillerson tried to lower the volume saying he doesn't believe there's any eminent threat of an attack from north korea. and that nothing about the situation has changed dramatically in the last 24 hours. but hours after tillerson's comments, defense secretary james mattis warned that north korea should stand down because allied military has the most robust defensive and offensive capabilities on earth. amid all of this, the state department say

it was reinforced in the early 2,000s when the north koreans saw the u.s. de iraq and topple saddam hussein who didn't have nukes. they saw muammar gadhafi overthrown, he voluntarily abandoned his nuclear program. so the north is really committed to this. they've just accelerated, i think, in the last couple of years the pace at which they're doing it. i think one of the big questions is how the north koreans are going to respond to the very confusing signals coming from washington. secretary of state tillerson has mentioned talks but president trump is talking in very, very forceful and extreme language, so i think there is a risk because i don't think the north is going to change its approach of a misunderstanding leading to some kind of conflict. >> woodruff: why do you believe there is a risk of a misunderstanding? >> well, the north koreans are going to respond to threats from the united states with full speed ahead because that's just their style. this is not a system or regime or leadership that's going to bow to that kind of external pressure, and if