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construction is in the final stages yet the north stream to pipeline might never be completed because of the diplomatic storm over the poisoning of alexina valmy it is what you know not all over 100 companies are involved in this project half of them a german backlash against the project would hurt them to perform for an hour or so but it would be wrong to assume that what's happened will not have any consequences after this point. must go denies the allegations of an avowal nature and to hit back with its own assertions the kremlin says germany has not responded to russian requests for legal assistance but in rejects this meanwhile ukraine has joined calls for tough sanctions to be imposed on russia be all from us money in the lean we. will react with tough measures that the month so that putin is left in no doubt country. and many german politicians agree. understands only 2 things money and gas stream $2.00 is crucial to our future relations with russia. the green party believes russian gas is incompatible with clean energy. it. government must find ways to exit this project all st
construction is in the final stages yet the north stream to pipeline might never be completed because of the diplomatic storm over the poisoning of alexina valmy it is what you know not all over 100 companies are involved in this project half of them a german backlash against the project would hurt them to perform for an hour or so but it would be wrong to assume that what's happened will not have any consequences after this point. must go denies the allegations of an avowal nature and to hit...
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berlin it's great to have you with us german politicians are turning up the pressure on north stream too some of them want the project which will deliver gas from russia to germany and beyond to be stopped over the poisoning of prominent kremlin critic alexina valmy but the powerful nerve agent opposition from eastern european countries and the united states has already seen work in the baltic sea frozen with a pipeline 90 percent complete. when this 480 kilometer long stretch of pipeline is finished it will transport oil and gas from the controversial nord stream to the pipelines terminus in northern germany to the self the oil gold pipeline will then carry fossil fuel energy on to countries including the czech republic and italy the pipeline operators are based in castle at germany's geographical center. the fact that north stream to future is in doubt is going to have a knock on effect here that managers here don't want to talk about maybe scenarios . we're building the pipeline which is effectively 2 lines next to each other the 1st line is already in operation and transporting g
berlin it's great to have you with us german politicians are turning up the pressure on north stream too some of them want the project which will deliver gas from russia to germany and beyond to be stopped over the poisoning of prominent kremlin critic alexina valmy but the powerful nerve agent opposition from eastern european countries and the united states has already seen work in the baltic sea frozen with a pipeline 90 percent complete. when this 480 kilometer long stretch of pipeline is...
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live. 90 percent complete north stream to have hit a dead end germany is readying itself to receive russian gas but some politicians in berlin want the pipeline project stopped over the poisoning of prominent critic of the kremlin alexina valmy. and firms may find it harder to do business with russia soon we're going to look at the potential for economic sanctions. also in the show tech stocks took a tumble in the u.s. dragging global markets down with them is it just a blip or a reality check. this is the business i'm rob what's in berlin it's great to have you with us german politicians are turning up the pressure on north stream to some of them want the pipeline project which would deliver russian gas to germany and beyond to be stopped over the poisoning of prominent kremlin critic alexina valmy significant opposition from eastern european countries and the united states has already seen work in the baltic sea frozen with a pipeline 90 percent complete. when this 480 kilometer long stretch of pipeline is finished it will transport gas from the controversial nord stream to pipelines term
live. 90 percent complete north stream to have hit a dead end germany is readying itself to receive russian gas but some politicians in berlin want the pipeline project stopped over the poisoning of prominent critic of the kremlin alexina valmy. and firms may find it harder to do business with russia soon we're going to look at the potential for economic sanctions. also in the show tech stocks took a tumble in the u.s. dragging global markets down with them is it just a blip or a reality check....
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both on the streets here in germany friday night in the north stream has never been a purely private sector project as the german government has repeatedly argued despite the war in syria despite the use of a chemical weapon in souls bury the federal government is sending a message to the kremlin no matter what you do economic goals are more important to us than climate protection security policy and human rights. demanding the immediate term a nation of north stream 2 is in my view and hasty in misguided reaction but it pleases those who have always opposed the project the specially the greens well as germany continues to push russia for an explanation for what happened to alexina valley the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov has said russia still waiting for information it requested from germany but if the use of your mind you but you want of the german representative to the u.n. said the date is no longer a matter for bilateral relations between germany and russia but a matter for multilateral proceedings what kind of proceedings the germans are talking about they were unable
both on the streets here in germany friday night in the north stream has never been a purely private sector project as the german government has repeatedly argued despite the war in syria despite the use of a chemical weapon in souls bury the federal government is sending a message to the kremlin no matter what you do economic goals are more important to us than climate protection security policy and human rights. demanding the immediate term a nation of north stream 2 is in my view and hasty...
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the north stream party they have a point don't they no they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russian though they don't have a point i'd like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats that we're pro sobering here in our positions we're somehow getting used to this kind of accusation but that doesn't make them correct you know energy policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear mix between the renewable we need reaching technology gusev much more efficient and less harm to the environment we have to address an elephant in the room because we were talking about the s.p.d. we're talking about your party. and its relationship with russia the elephant of the room of course when we talk about north stream is a former chancellor former s.p.d. head chairman of the project the wall street journal they are stronger putin's most important all of our work the the what do you don't know how football with that do you feel comfortable with that it is putin's most important goal of the wall street journal has traditional
the north stream party they have a point don't they no they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russian though they don't have a point i'd like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats that we're pro sobering here in our positions we're somehow getting used to this kind of accusation but that doesn't make them correct you know energy policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear mix between the renewable we need...
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the north stream party they have a point don't they no they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russia no they don't have a point and i'd like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats that we're pro sobering here in our positions you know we're somehow getting used to this kind of action station but that doesn't make them correct you know energy policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear mix between the renewable we need reaching technology garces much more efficient and less harm to the environment we have to address an elephant in the room because we were talking about the s.p.d. we're talking about your party and its relationship with russia the elephant in the room of course when we talk about north stream. is. former chancellor former s.p.d. head chairman of the project the wall street journal strode or putin's most important of iraq the the what do you know how feeble what that do you feel comfortable with that it is that putin's most of the horton goldberg wall street journal has traditionally bee
the north stream party they have a point don't they no they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russia no they don't have a point and i'd like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats that we're pro sobering here in our positions you know we're somehow getting used to this kind of action station but that doesn't make them correct you know energy policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear mix between the renewable...
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from russia flows through north stream one degree neglect your own partners concerns look there are 2 things i want to tell you for one thing that maybe surprised you and our viewers that the european union is much more united on this and you maybe think we had a number at all this prime minister well we say this reaction should leave their starts with a stoppage of work of nordstrom's here with strengthens russian power not 60 n.e.p. is that absent 1018 but you can insert so you uniquely lead me to choose the european way but not the germany way for that you need to lead and you don't feel like you know that you need to let me complete that sentence because we had 24 european member states supporting a political the march on washington raising concerns about the american reaction which is threatening with extra territorial section our sovereign decision about our interests. just for a 2nd cent about the european union would put in place a lot sanctioning american companies that's the definite pick one example for example the the asst done a shame factor not that he speaks about dizzy
from russia flows through north stream one degree neglect your own partners concerns look there are 2 things i want to tell you for one thing that maybe surprised you and our viewers that the european union is much more united on this and you maybe think we had a number at all this prime minister well we say this reaction should leave their starts with a stoppage of work of nordstrom's here with strengthens russian power not 60 n.e.p. is that absent 1018 but you can insert so you uniquely lead...
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the north stream party they have a point don't they know they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russian that they don't have a point i'd like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats that we're pro sobering here in our positions you know we're somehow getting used to this kind of accusation but that doesn't make them correct you know and if you policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear makes between the renewable we need reaching technology garces much more efficient and less harm to the environment we have to address an elephant in the room because we were talking about the s.p.d. we're talking about your party. and its relationship with russia the elephant of the room of course when we talk about north stream is. former chancellor former s.p.d. head chairman of the project the wall street journal there are strode out putin's most important all of our work the the what do you know how football with that do you feel comfortable with that it is that putin's most important goal god wall street journal
the north stream party they have a point don't they know they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russian that they don't have a point i'd like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats that we're pro sobering here in our positions you know we're somehow getting used to this kind of accusation but that doesn't make them correct you know and if you policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear makes between the...
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not want and that's why the novelli business is being immediately joined with north stream 2. british counties reimposing covert restrictions in england a ban on gatherings of more than 6 people controversial is due to start on monday lockdown measures are also being tightened in scotland too it comes with an alarming rise in corona virus transmissions. the prevalence of the virus in the population is increasing we found evidence that it has been accelerating at the end of august and beginning of september. the number of positive cases per $1000.00 covert tests of doubled since the end of july on friday the number of new daily confirmed cases rose to more than $3500.00 an increase of more than 600 on the previous day the total number of confirmed cases in britain is no more than $360000.00 but the world health organization is covert special envoy told us direct we may not be over the worst of it yet. there will be a mole. dishy is what you get. like a fish and by the way i have 3 cases going to do every kind to shred between people. all right usually i. read to them. an evolut
not want and that's why the novelli business is being immediately joined with north stream 2. british counties reimposing covert restrictions in england a ban on gatherings of more than 6 people controversial is due to start on monday lockdown measures are also being tightened in scotland too it comes with an alarming rise in corona virus transmissions. the prevalence of the virus in the population is increasing we found evidence that it has been accelerating at the end of august and beginning...
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demanding the immediate term a nation of north stream 2 is in my view a hasty and misguided reaction but it pleases those who have always opposed the project especially the greens well as germany continues to push russia for an explanation for what happened to alexei in the valley the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov has said russia still waiting for information it requested from germany but it's the use of your money you put you on top of the german representative to the un said the data is no longer a matter for bilateral relations between germany and russia but a matter for multilateral proceedings what kind of proceedings the germans are talking about they were unable to say in the interests of our german colleagues we urged them to provide all necessary information which might in any way should lights when absolutely unfounded accusations investigators in russia are of also being on the search for more information police in the city of thompson which is where all x. in the valley had been he was flying from tomsk to moscow before his plane had to make an emergency landing
demanding the immediate term a nation of north stream 2 is in my view a hasty and misguided reaction but it pleases those who have always opposed the project especially the greens well as germany continues to push russia for an explanation for what happened to alexei in the valley the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov has said russia still waiting for information it requested from germany but it's the use of your money you put you on top of the german representative to the un said the data...
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the north stream party they have a point don't they know they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russia no they don't have a point i like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats and we're pro sobering here in our positions we're somehow getting used to this kind of accusation but that doesn't make them correct you know and if your policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear mix between the renewable we need reaching technology garces much more efficient and less harm to the environment we have to address an elephant in the room because we were talking about the s.p.d. we're talking about your party and its relationship with russia the elephant of the room of course when we talk about north strain. is get former chancellor former s.p.d. head chairman of the project the wall street journal. putin's most important of our work the the what do you know how feeble what that do you feel comfortable with that putin's most of the horton goldberg wall street journal has traditionally been maybe not the most symp
the north stream party they have a point don't they know they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russia no they don't have a point i like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats and we're pro sobering here in our positions we're somehow getting used to this kind of accusation but that doesn't make them correct you know and if your policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear mix between the renewable we need...
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but i was supportive of that i was the 1st one of the words up you know heard of the north stream to absorb drug able when i came along i said wait a minute we're projecting germany from russia russia's foreign ministry's way to much side of the route claiming that europe should stand up for its own interests and not become washington's puppet german political commentator i go hey i'm a believe berlin would take a significant hit if it pulled the plug on north stream. it's a catastrophe if this pipeline is being abolished because energy is the main cost for everything you do so if you increase the cost for your most vital product you need then you have disadvantaged in the rural economy so german economy will have no chance on competing in the world economy and that's exactly what ones you want america 1st he wants american business to go in germany and europe will be dependent on. possibilities from poland because the gas pipeline is not coming we are dependent on other routes and all the other routes are dependent on 3rd parties so we will always be able to be blackmailed by the ot
but i was supportive of that i was the 1st one of the words up you know heard of the north stream to absorb drug able when i came along i said wait a minute we're projecting germany from russia russia's foreign ministry's way to much side of the route claiming that europe should stand up for its own interests and not become washington's puppet german political commentator i go hey i'm a believe berlin would take a significant hit if it pulled the plug on north stream. it's a catastrophe if this...
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meantime senior politicians in germany calling on the government to pull out now the north stream to part project over the novelli case the vast gas pipeline connecting russia to germany should be ready by the end of the year political analyst john laughlin has questions though over the efforts to derail the project. it's immediately been joined with the north stream 2 gas pipeline project the germans who previously the german political class has previously supported the completion of the gas pipeline very strongly not least because germany doesn't have any other energy source and no major coup. or appearing in what was a consensus so the fact that they're not stream to gas pipeline has been immediately put into the equation into what should be a private police investigation shows who would benefit the answer is the american exporters of liquid natural gas and all those in europe who are determined and have been for many years and decades to drive a wedge between europe and russia for the not stream to gas pipeline is not just a symbol although it's a very powerful one it is also a r
meantime senior politicians in germany calling on the government to pull out now the north stream to part project over the novelli case the vast gas pipeline connecting russia to germany should be ready by the end of the year political analyst john laughlin has questions though over the efforts to derail the project. it's immediately been joined with the north stream 2 gas pipeline project the germans who previously the german political class has previously supported the completion of the gas...
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project so germany if germany were to join in these sanctions that were to withdraw from north stream that would be an immense loss of face. for chancellor merkel who as i say only a few days ago repeated her opposition to the extraterritorial american sanctions and repeated her commitment to building the gas pipeline so i expect that this event has put the german government into a state of crisis because it is as if the german government were being forced to do something that essentially it doesn't want to do the russians have asked for all the information on the bombings case and the results to be sent to moscow so that they can look at them do you expect a germy to go ahead and comply with that request and also do you think it strange at all that there was no communication whatsoever before the statement was just put out there. well no i don't expect that the germans will do as the russians asked because again on past form that's not what's happening when the strip whole event took place in 2018 russian is the russian embassy in london for example repeatedly asked for 'd informatio
project so germany if germany were to join in these sanctions that were to withdraw from north stream that would be an immense loss of face. for chancellor merkel who as i say only a few days ago repeated her opposition to the extraterritorial american sanctions and repeated her commitment to building the gas pipeline so i expect that this event has put the german government into a state of crisis because it is as if the german government were being forced to do something that essentially it...
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to rumble on and is gaining momentum and right in the crosshairs of that diplomatic row is the north stream to gas pipeline the project that would see russian gas pump directly from russia into germany now this has been something this has had its critics for a long time the united states has threatened crippling sanctions against it some of germany's own european partners have been quite vocal critics of the north stream to pipeline. project however as far as germany has been concerned in the past this is something that's an economic project and it's set aside from everything else that may be going on however what we are starting to see is perhaps that mood may be changing in fact friedrich metz who is a man who has a pretty good chance of being angular merkel success so when she steps down as german chancellor next year he said that. if he had the power now he would be placing an immediate 2 year moratorium on the infrastructure project while we've heard from senior cabinet figures here in berlin in the last week and also suggesting that the project may well be suspended or even cancelled
to rumble on and is gaining momentum and right in the crosshairs of that diplomatic row is the north stream to gas pipeline the project that would see russian gas pump directly from russia into germany now this has been something this has had its critics for a long time the united states has threatened crippling sanctions against it some of germany's own european partners have been quite vocal critics of the north stream to pipeline. project however as far as germany has been concerned in the...
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to is nothing that we can promote together with russia hope the north stream to pipeline to hold the russians accountable germany says it will share its lab results and 5 dinners with e.u. nations and get this nato new response to russia's offers of a legal assistance that medical corp russia will learn that the value they have been poisoned not from the german government but from the news if they miss to justify some previously prepared response measures that have already been agreed on it becomes clear why they're deploying megaphone diplomacy substituting normal corporation with an information campaign public appeals to the e.u. and they too and reference to the c.w. whenever such a thing which is such a diplomatic reaching the hazards they always have to us. who is benefiting who does something was benefiting and we have as we have already heard this equation there are heavy forces would god want a closer relationship between russia and germany specially according to north korea to project but where also that the that you have to ask what could the russian government benefit of s
to is nothing that we can promote together with russia hope the north stream to pipeline to hold the russians accountable germany says it will share its lab results and 5 dinners with e.u. nations and get this nato new response to russia's offers of a legal assistance that medical corp russia will learn that the value they have been poisoned not from the german government but from the news if they miss to justify some previously prepared response measures that have already been agreed on it...
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the north stream party they have a point don't they know they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russian that they don't have a point i'd like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats that we're pro sobering here in our positions you know we're somehow getting used to this kind of accusation but that doesn't make them correct you know energy policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear mix between the renewable we need reaching technology gustus much more efficient and less harm to the environment we have to address an elephant in the room because we were talking about the s.p.d. we're talking about your party. and its relationship with russia the elephant in the room of course when we talk about north stream is a former chancellor former s.p.d. head chairman of the project the wall street journal. putin's most important all of our work the the what do you don't know how football with that do you feel comfortable that that putin's most important goal covered wall street journal has traditionally been may
the north stream party they have a point don't they know they say that they say that you're motivated by a traditional empathy with russian that they don't have a point i'd like to remind you you know we're used as social democrats that we're pro sobering here in our positions you know we're somehow getting used to this kind of accusation but that doesn't make them correct you know energy policy of course is highly political we need to make sure that there's a clear mix between the renewable we...
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germany cut its ties with russia cut its economic ties the north stream to project with billions uponbillions you know e.d.s. part of europe's energy future its energy future designed to pub billions of cubic meters of gas from russia to into the heart of europe there are many nations that would i would just like to mention here that in the immediate aftermath of a poisoning of such a high profile poisoning there are going to be a lot of rumors a lot of speculation a lot of unsubstantiated reports and unsubstantiated opinions we don't know yet what happened we don't know how it happened we don't know what will happen what will come out in the immediate future we're talking about verified reports information that can be corroborated nevertheless there are many nations who would see it as advantageous for us to stop for example the mood seem to pipeline if it cuts cut its economic and political ties to russia for example eastern european countries who make a killing transporting russian gas from russia to transit money from russia into europe ukraine for example the united states which
germany cut its ties with russia cut its economic ties the north stream to project with billions uponbillions you know e.d.s. part of europe's energy future its energy future designed to pub billions of cubic meters of gas from russia to into the heart of europe there are many nations that would i would just like to mention here that in the immediate aftermath of a poisoning of such a high profile poisoning there are going to be a lot of rumors a lot of speculation a lot of unsubstantiated...
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the north stream to gas pipeline project was a major factor in the debate the pipeline which would take russian gas under the baltic sea directly into germany well lawmakers fall into 3 camps when it comes to the multi national multi 1000000000 euro infrastructure project there are those that say it needs to be halted immediately and perhaps cancelled altogether there are those that want to wait and see how russia reacts and how this story develops and there are those saying that it's simply too important economically and it must remain purely an economic project no matter what else is going on we have those see the heated debate over north stream both on the streets here in germany and on friday night in the bundestag nostra inspired by north stream has never been a purely private sector project as the german government has repeatedly argued despite the war in syria just by the use of a chemical weapon in souls bury the federal government is sending a message to the kremlin no matter what you do economic goals are more important to us than climate protection security policy and human r
the north stream to gas pipeline project was a major factor in the debate the pipeline which would take russian gas under the baltic sea directly into germany well lawmakers fall into 3 camps when it comes to the multi national multi 1000000000 euro infrastructure project there are those that say it needs to be halted immediately and perhaps cancelled altogether there are those that want to wait and see how russia reacts and how this story develops and there are those saying that it's simply...
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i'll just mention the north stream 2 part line now hangs in the balance over the poisoning allegations donald trump has repeatedly told germany to quit the major gas project with russia but i was supportive of that i was the 1st one to work up you know heard of the north stream towards or drug able when i came along most of them and it was rejecting germany from russia. meanwhile russia's foreign ministry has weighed in on the role claiming europe should stand up for its own interests and not become washington's poppet at a commentator i could hardly believe that germany would take a significant hit if it pulled the plug on wall street. it's a catastrophe if this is being abolished because energy is the main cost for everything you do so if you increase the cost for your most vital product you need then you have disadvantaged in the rural economy so the german economy will have no chance on competing in the world economy and that's exactly what prime ones who want america 1st he wants american business to go in germany and europe will be dependent on what mean possibility from poland b
i'll just mention the north stream 2 part line now hangs in the balance over the poisoning allegations donald trump has repeatedly told germany to quit the major gas project with russia but i was supportive of that i was the 1st one to work up you know heard of the north stream towards or drug able when i came along most of them and it was rejecting germany from russia. meanwhile russia's foreign ministry has weighed in on the role claiming europe should stand up for its own interests and not...
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the german side have said the future of north stream 2 depends on how russia responds to accusations of poisoning against alexei novelli now from the russian side we've heard quite a lot on tuesday coming out of the foreign ministry we heard on monday that requests for information from moscow to berlin would be met that heiko mass the german foreign minister had greenlit the process that would see information transferred over to russia however what we're hearing from the russian side is nothing is being forthcoming just yet we understand the german ambassador to moscow has been invited to the foreign ministry to discuss this matter further as the heart of the russian foreign ministry spokesperson says they've received no information so far from germany and the starting to really want some answers to their requests. we expect burden to provide all the data they have to the bundeswehr about the results and the evidence in possession of the german foreign ministry it's time for them to show their cards because it's obvious to everyone the burden is bluffing in the interest and due to po
the german side have said the future of north stream 2 depends on how russia responds to accusations of poisoning against alexei novelli now from the russian side we've heard quite a lot on tuesday coming out of the foreign ministry we heard on monday that requests for information from moscow to berlin would be met that heiko mass the german foreign minister had greenlit the process that would see information transferred over to russia however what we're hearing from the russian side is nothing...
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similar feeling from russia's permanent representative to the european union he said that the north stream to gas pipeline project came about because of the european union and in particular germany's need for gas a commercial need for that gas that still exists and that's why in his opinion he thought the north stream to pipeline would go ahead as it being planned well alexina valley the man at the center of all of this in his alleged poisoning is said to be recovering in the hospital he's still being treated out here in berlin earlier this week we heard from the hospital saying that he was now able to leave his bed for short periods of time. or to discuss the move further let's cross live to bill but dr own opponent political analyst the surface for joining us good to have you with us on the program today resolution is passed it is non-binding of course nevertheless there is a strong consensus clearly given the the majority of votes to take some form of action do you expect any other serious further steps to be taken against russia. expects a lot of serious steps to be taken but today's w
similar feeling from russia's permanent representative to the european union he said that the north stream to gas pipeline project came about because of the european union and in particular germany's need for gas a commercial need for that gas that still exists and that's why in his opinion he thought the north stream to pipeline would go ahead as it being planned well alexina valley the man at the center of all of this in his alleged poisoning is said to be recovering in the hospital he's...
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the north stream to pipeline through the baltic sea means a lot to both parties for russia it's a source of solid foreign currency for germany and other e.u. countries it's a major energy conduit. but following the poisoning of russian opposition figurehead alexina valmy a crime blamed on moscow the german government has for the 1st time considered halting construction of north stream to it wouldn't be the 1st time the e.u. has levied sanctions against russia. the number of cases in which countries impose sanctions on others is climbing accelerating rapidly from 2004 on besides russia the countries most often targets of dharana north korea as well as some african countries. sanctions are often justified as a response to violations against human rights or democratic procedures they're often aimed at trying to prevent terrorism and war but how effective are sanctions really at achieving their aims opinions vary. and earlier we asked gabriele felber meyer president of the kill institute of the world economy just how meaningful economic sanctions from the e.u. would be without the u.s. on bo
the north stream to pipeline through the baltic sea means a lot to both parties for russia it's a source of solid foreign currency for germany and other e.u. countries it's a major energy conduit. but following the poisoning of russian opposition figurehead alexina valmy a crime blamed on moscow the german government has for the 1st time considered halting construction of north stream to it wouldn't be the 1st time the e.u. has levied sanctions against russia. the number of cases in which...