she has served in the northern airland assembly as a former minister for agriculture and rural development and chairperson of the health committee amongst other things. michelle has been a shinfian activist since her teams and has been elected almost continuously since 1998. and today's guest is andre murphy. andre is human rights advocate, working on behalf of victims affected by political violence during the recent conflict. andre murphy, welcome to the show. thank you sean, lovely to be here, great to see you, so andre, tell me a bit about your child, grown up, well, i was born in dublin, um, and the 1970s, grew up in um, what was, i suppose a really emerging ireland at that stage, you know, we it was very poor, there was a massive recession, especially during the 1980s, um, and we were just, you know, family affected by all of that economic environment, when i was 15, we um moved to tallo, which was at that stage a big sprawling housing estate where there was no footpaths, you had to go across fields to be able to get to a bus maybe every hour that ran, and i can remember it just being