even in places with a big al qaeda presence, including somalia, yemen, northern mali, syria -- areas where you have lack of state capacity, violence on the ground. i think part of the longer-term plan -- i think they believe that time is not on the side of the state. not only is the population restless, but there are factors that make it difficult to govern -- climate change, though bin laden did put up a message that focuses on climate change. all of these things are things that make it harder to govern as a state. the more destabilization there is, the harder it is for the u.s. and the west to do what they have done over time, which is the lack of strategy. the al qaeda backed islamic state popped up in mali. the french whacked it down. to them, if you have enough destabilization, and they built the infrastructure, preparing places like yemen and syria, to them, they will be in this very complex situation where that whacking is not going to work. >> there is an ideological way for which it is falsifiable. they will have some explaining to do because that is not supposed to happen.

even in places with a big al qaeda presence, including ,omalia, yemen, northern mali syria -- areas where you have lack of state capacity, violence on the ground. i think part of the longer-term plan -- i think they believe that time is not on the side of the state. not only is the population restless, but there are factors that make it difficult change,n -- climate though bin laden did put up a message that focuses on climate change. all of these things are things that make it harder to govern as a state. the more destabilization there is, the harder it is for the u.s. and the west to do what they have done over time, which is the lack of strategy. backed islamic state popped up in mali. acked itch wh down. to them, if you have enough destabilization, and they built the infrastructure, preparing places like yemen and were that strategy is that this will not back them down. panel, the paper draws out that the best islamic state does not have a tactical agreement with al qaeda. you said that the betrayal of ideology. i am wondering if your paper and the way you presented it appears to sugg

even in places with a big al qaeda presence, including somalia, yemen, northern mali, syria -- areas where you have lack of state capacity, violence on the ground. i think part of the longer-term plan -- i think they believe that time is not on the side of the state. not only is the population restless, but there are factors that make it difficult to govern -- climate change, though bin laden did put up a message that focuses on climate change. all of these things are things that make it harder to govern as a state. the more destabilization there is, the harder it is for the u.s. and the west to do what they have done over time, which is the lack of strategy. the al qaeda backed islamic state popped up in mali. the french whacked it down. to them, if you have enough destabilization, and they built the infrastructure, preparing places like yemen and syria, to them, they will be in this very complex situation >> a huge reason for the expansion. heard the last of a cute. it is such an infrastructure for this. islamic group either. ebay is expansionist. say they will be detailed in this.

areas with big al qaeda presence includes obviously somalia, yemen, northern mali. these -- syria, areas where you have kind of a lack of state capacity, where you have violence on the ground. part of the longer-term al qaeda plan, i think they believe that time is not on the side of the states. that not only is the population restless, but there are factors that just make it more difficult to govern. water shortages, rising food prices, climate change, not that i think it is very high on the list although bin laden put out a message a while back which focused on climate change but all these are things that make i had harder to govern as a state so the more destabilization there is, the harder it is for the u.s. and west and other countries to do what they have done over time which is this whac-a-mole strategy. a islamic state, often al qaeda-backed state pops in northern mali. french come in and whack it down. shabaab takes over southern mali and african mission in somalia whack it down. if you have enough destabilization and build infrastructure and population in yemen and syria