you mentioned the five guys from northern virginia arrested in pakistan.i found thatfascinating for the reason that they had been active the local chapter in the islamic circles of north america. that is an organization in the u.s. since 1971 and was part of the longer activist tradition of islamic activists whcame to the u.s. in the early 60's and set up an champagne the illinois and for most of their history they were not concerned with preventing radicalization. we will say that. i think it is fair to say they were more concerned with pursuing atimuslim discrimination than worrying about their people becoming radicalized. after th happened that was the first time i can recall clearly they were going to take action they wanted to set up programs to intervene. they wanted to be involved and obviously preservation to the degree but that is a change from what was happening in the past ten or 15 years and so i think encouraging more of that is the answer that you have to be involved with muslim community period. that is more of an issue for the law enforceme

in this setting, in northern virginia, and it was. this was an act of this committee that had been there forever these decades before that. millions and millions of dollars have been provided from saudi arabia from individuals and the government to set up a wide range of organizations -- muslim organizations. those reorganizations that were raided and operation green quest for four or five months after 9/11. in that lecture that was mentioning, it is a march 2002 sermon. he discusses operation green quest and how this is a war against muslims. we can say no longer this is a war on terrorism. it is a war against muslims. they raided all these organizations. they arrested them. they held them in handcuffs. even from that point on, this idea that he was once moderate and was there to speak out against 9/11 and he was the representative moderate moslem voice -- muslim boys, i think that is a misrepresentation. that ism voice ba, i think a misrepresentation. what turned him into militancy in the formal way it was after his imprisonment in

fact, the number of such cases has increased sharply and includes the group of five men from northern virginiaarrested in pakistan last december for plotting terror attacks. and the 14 men from minnesota charged last year with helping young somali americans join terror groups in east africa. the two men arrested this weekend had no training and were hoping to be embraced by radicals once they arrived in somalia. they're to be charged with conspiring to kill, main and kidnap persons outside the u.s. and are scheduled to return to court for a bail hearing on thursday. just last month just last month, addressing some of the recent cases, president obama added "homegrown threats" to his administration's top national security priorities for the first time. we look at this phenomenon now, with jessica stern, a former national security council staffer for president clinton. she has been a professor at harvard law school and has written extensively on terrorism. and fathali moghaddam, a professor of psychology at georgetown university. his latest book is called "the stern, il-- stern i will start with

it is almost as if the narrative has taken on more salience among a muslim american living in northern virginia. what do we make of this? how can it become less popular in the arab-muslim world and become more popular in some of our own communities? >> i think some of this is a measure of time. the narrative reached these shores a bit late. i view this as a 30-year proposition. it took a while to get here. there are a threat to 20 million americans or something. i have wondered about going to the university of maryland and asking a statistician, if you saw going from three to a dozen plots in a country of three under 20 million, how statistically significant is that? i do not see this as an epidemic threat in the united states. they said not more threats in europe. easily 10 to one. i think we still should consider ourselves lucky, given that we are the head of the snake and that this country is so large and diverse. you are looking at cities at once. places like los angeles to new york -- you are looking at 50 cities at once. i did not necessarily view the plots as any indication of a radical

guest: let me assure you that i am pretty solidly middle-class and northern virginia where i live. i just look at the numbers. it has been good for mexico and good for the united states and the u.s. economy. let's not with the past, let's look at the future. what jobs will we create for the generation coming up? ltural nation, no longer and manufacturing nation. we're basically the middle- classservice sector nation. since nafta passed, two-thirds of the new jobs added have been in service sectors were the average pay is higher than in manufacturing. we have not been swapping out gh-payg manufacturing jobs for w-paying service jobs. theconomy of today and tomorrow is primarily a service economy and information and technology economy. we need to prepare for the future. host: daniel griswold is with the cato institute. he earned his master's from the loon school of economics an is the author of "mad about trade." todd tucker is a graduate of george washington univerty, studied at cambridge in england and ishe author of a booklet the rise and fall of fast track trade economy." caller:

glenn knight from virginia beach, tom -- from charlottesville, and gerry connoley from northern virginia, have tough races. democrats are most excited about results from the connolly district, the more conservative candidate, sort of outsider beat the favored candidate, fairfax supervisor pat herrity in that primary, which may give gerry connolly an opportunity. he beat fimian, the republican businessman, in 2006. but in virginia is second and fifth district, where you have freshman democrats who won thanks in part due to a really strong turnout in 2008, this is going to be much tougher for them in the fall. host: let us talk about north dakota, the senate race. senator byron dorgan is retiring. what is the analysis for this race? guest: not a lot of attention paid to the north dakota raised because once senator byron dorgan announced he was stepping down and democrats did not put a strong candidate forward, it went almost into de facto republican column. the governor john hogan -- he is heavily favored to win the seat. democrats playing a lot of defense but this is not the place where t

guest: let me assure you that i'm pretty solidly middle-class in northern virginia where i live. i just look at the numbers. it has been good for mexico, for the u.s. let's not look at the past. what sort of jobs will we create for the generation coming up? we need to face the reality that we are no longer primarily an agricultural nation, no longer and manufacturing nation. we're basically the middle- class, service sector nation. since nafta passed, two-thirds of the new jobs added have been in service sectors were the average pay is higher than in manufacturing. we have not been swapping out high-paying manufacturing jobs for low-paying service jobs. the economy of today and tomorrow is primarily a service economy and information and technology economy. we need to prepare for the future. host: daniel griswold is with the cato institute. he earned his master's from the london school of economics and is the author of "mad about trade." todd tucker is a graduate of george washington university, studied at cambridge in england and is the author of a booklet the rise and fall of fa

we'd see them in the grocery store in northern virginia.our wives would drive in together for senate matters. i recall sitting with him in his office one day when he spoke of the death of his grandson and how it tore him apart. he had been killed in an accident. he had his portrait in his office with black drapery and we sat there, this man who could be so controlled -- we sat, held hands while he cried about his grandson. and at that time i did not have the privilege of being a grandfather yet. today i think i can more fully understand what he went through. i remember the emotion and the strength of it. this was not the person you saw often as leader of the senate, chairman of a major committee, in control, but a human being mourning somebody very dear to him. he was a self-educated man. he learned much throughout his life, but then he had much to teach us all. it was spoken of how he would talk to the pages. but he would talk to anybody about his beloved senate. and he did more than that, he wrote the defensive history of the senate. we -

the west virginia civil air patrol, the valley head fire department, the northern greenbrier e.m.s., greenbrier county ambulance, cash rescue and the green banks a stronmy observatory which is close to pocahontas county. i'd also like to thank the snowshoe resort for their willingness to share equipment. we also had the pocahontas county emergency management, west virginia state police, pocahontas county sheriff's department, pocahontas county 911, u.s. forest service, barto, frank, durbin fire and rescue along with department of natural resources and sheriff departments from the surrounding areas. as you can see, it was a collegial effort, an enormous effort and one that really, when we first received the news of this accident over our local television and radio stations, really had us on the edge of our seats because i think we knew how treacherous a rescue in this area could be at this time of the year. i'd like to say congratulations, again i'd like to thank my colleague, mr. rahall, for bringing this resolution forward and i'd like to ask my colleagues to join in congratulating

if we look in northern virginia where many people have migrated over the years, we think those are state that had been read that are purple. it also means that perhaps certain states could be more susceptible at the margin in certain terms. this is an area will -- or economic life looks very different. what identification do they have? does that sharpened some of the political conflict that we have now? these are low-cost regions. sectional conflicts is really intense could become that intense as boundaries overlap. >> this question is best for him. we talk about hispanic votes. they have tried to mobilize hispanic voters in the past. certain states like colorado and california are seen voters vote on how they view immigration. say the republicans do not act and it managed to pass immigration reform? how long before these voting ?atterns crystallize t ninth >> i think they -- crystallized? >> i think they already are. it is now a 2-1 democratic group. these voters will of the basis of immigration. i think you're right about that. economic issues are also a real driver of this. if you loo