would like to of going to the university of wisconsin but my folks thought i would be better in northfield minnesota. >> was the difference of living in madison and new york? >> i refer to the midwest as being homogenized as compared to new york. >> and did you go to school? >> i was raised in a county, so i would have liked to go to the university of wisconsin, but my parents thought i would better off going to saint luke college. >> so what is different from madison and new york? >> i refer to it being homogenized as compared to new york, it's truly the diversity and the pace of new york that make it different. the density. you know where i grew up, you were in single family houses. and you couldn't hear what was going on next door. when i first moved to an apartment in new york, and you could hear every fight. i heard a wife tell the husband she was pregnant. you couldn't miss a thing. so new york is kind of fun that way. >> how did you get involved in this organization and how long? >> i got involved in the partnership when it was first launched by david rockefeller, he was someone who