northup wants to respond. and were we going to have a second round here 'cause i have -- >> i wasn't going to. why don't you let her respond. >> okay, ms. northup. >> let me see the goal is some sort of realistic allowing the lead content to be whatever it is. that's necessary to hold the atv or the bike or whatever together. but functional purposes has been proposed. any proposal i have seen for it has said if there is -- no alternative, material that will provide the same thing. if there's no harm to the children. well, first of all, i'd just say if there's no harm to the child, why would there be any other -- any other reason any way to outlaw this screw, nut, bolt, whatever. but it means the big industries like atv -- and i respect how important that is to you particularly. they can summon the money. and the met lurj cal studies to show there's nothing that meets that standard or whatever. but small businesses or businesses that make school science kits, they don't have the number of products and the price

research just visited families and asked them to describe what happened to the victims a method known as northup c we estimated that something like four percent of the deaths between one life and sixty nine years of age were due to malaria and if you multiply that percentage by the national number of deaths at those eight you get two hundred thousand deaths before age seventy in india it's a staggering number especially compared to was health organizations estimate of just fifteen thousand then were fatalities it disputes the study saying verbal autopsy responders could mistake muti is commonly found symptoms it is true that you can confuse malaria deaths with other causes of fever however the w.h.o. accepts the use of verbal autopsy poor estimating childhood deaths from malaria in africa so i've been puzzled why they would think a method would work in one continent and not three thousand miles away in another here most medical stuff and indeed hospitals agreed the number of malaria deaths is flom old in the w.h.o. for. as india faces this killer disease it's important for the government and the

chair tenenbaum, commissioner northup, commissioner adler have made themselves readily available, their staffs have been readily available. and within a week after they appointed the new small business ombudsman we had a conference call with him. very readily available. they've been great working with us. >> has it translated into action, though, or relief? >> to some extent. we're waiting still on the component safety certification rules to come down. we had really hoped that would have been done a long time ago but we recognize the massive rulemaking undertaking that is. so we feel that they are listening to our concerns. it hasn't always articulated itself into a ruling that was going to be helpful. but we do feel they are listening. they are trying. >> okay. good. mr. lamar, let me ask you, if i may, kind of follow up on that same question. i know that your industry has had a lot of contact with the cpsc. >> uh-huh. >> and i'm curious about, you know, if your perception is that they've been receptive and willing to listen? and even if they have, do they kind of come back and say tha