first, for those who solomon northup being you, those of you saw 12 years a slave who was a freelack man in the north who was kidnaped, sold back slavery and of course, the southern states had immunized themselves from from from having to pay compensation for people who were wrongly re enslaved. right. so and his his story is very because as i mentioned, one of the challenges when you're writing about enslaved is is is that is the material frankly it's like really, really hard find the material and you know enslaved people were by law and by practice barred from learning to read and write. so the kinds of things you would rely on letters, journals and that kind of thing are not ng for those records that i mentioned, and you're also looking for contemporaneous voices of people at the time who can illuminate something for you. solomon northup was someone who was shipped to louisiana and very vividly about a lot of things, about what new orleans was, about what. the plantation life was like. and that was very instructive. he also wrote about being reunited with his family and unfortunat

solomon northup was someone who was shipped to louisianand very vividly about a lot of things, aboutbout what. the plantation life was like. and that was very instructive. he also wrote about being reunited with his family and someing that happened to.ot■) the two sisters who were split by the sale, but his his experience was wasice, which is helpful. thank you. yeah. uine visiting new york. great talk. i'm wondering, i'm also been reading about the others which broke about catholic children. well, there is an overlap. that is the thing i've been hearing about is the boarding h are catholic soldiers. that said. so was there overlap in terms of the same church organization more than both of these are? how is about indigenous boarding schools. yeah. yeah. i i'm glad mentioned that because i would not want my sort of introduction of tha subject about oppression, leading to oppression, the different views for people to think that, you know, indigenous people were so beautifully treated because we right. the in which you know the the the the operative frade phrase was sort of kill the ind

i, i began reading the book, and one thing that struck me in particular northup, and in particular andout and in particular about the very details of hhomecoming. what i was wondering is is what i was wonder is what i was wondering is in the course of your research, what did think? was what did you believe to be among the most striking parallels and contrasts the story of solomon northup, that of emma and of anna and louise of anna and louisa. okay, so good first, for those who solomon northup being you, those of you saw 12 years a slave who was a free black man in the north who was kidnaped, sold back slavery and of course,he southern states had immunized themselves from from from having to pay compensation for people who were wrongly re enslaved. right. so and his his story is very instructive because as i mentioned, one of the challengbt enslaved is is is that is the material, frankly it's like really, really hard find the material and you know enslaved people were by law and by practice barred from learning to read and write. so the kinds of things y journad that kind of thing are

joining us now is nancy northup, she's the president and ceo of center for reproductive rights.e. i appreciate you being here. thank you. >> thank you. >> we are used to thinking about abortion rights now in terms of the patchwork of states that have various laws either banning or allowing it. this case that's coming to the supreme court tomorrow is about medication abortion nationwide. this is a texas case that would essentially rescind fda approval for one of the drugs that's used in medication abortion, and it wouldn't just be for red states. it would be everywhere, right? >> yeah, it makes me think about, you know, when the draft opinion first came down and we read it and the center for reproductive rights litigated the dobbs case. and of course the line there from justice alito, we're going send this back to the states. this case puts the lie to that. we're back in the supreme court less than two years later, and they are going to decide whether really important approval for medication abortion, and particularly, you know, the approval for it to be done by telemedicine, whi

solomon northup as a kind of organizing figure. so they are definitely an important, important voice. but i'll just say that the slave narratives in 1933 collected in the during the depression are great, not for the period of slavery, but for the period after slavery. so if you want to talk about black life in the 1870s, 1880, zora neale hurston is one of the people who's collecting these materials and her descriptions of. the kind of intricacies of black life grow out of the slave narrative in the fantastic forces forces. what impact did the great migration and have on the economy the demographics of the south and was there resistance to people trying to move to chicago, new york especially employers when their employees were trying to move away to those urban areas of north. it's sort of the great migration is not in my period. it's it's work that's later. no, it's it's it's very important it's important it's critical to understand sort of what makes the great migration possible, which is a war in world. one submarine warfare mak