saying that there is a bigger issue here, which is the fact that the united states does not or should noten gauge in interrogatory techniques that is pretty well widely agreed to constitute torture. he's made that very clear in a number of press conferences, trying to turn a page in our country's history. again, this issue comes back to the fact that republicans are very strongly trying to distinguish themselves from that line in saying that actually the larger issue is the safety of this country and the national security issues we face everyday. the ends do justify the means is their argument. >> if you want to read more of jar red allen's argument, you can find it on the hill.com and at c-span .org. houston, texas on the line for republicans. go ahead. >> what's going on. i appreciate you having this topic on discussion. i put dick cheney and nancy pelosi on blast. i'm tired that every time i call into c-span, something happens with my credit card account. i want to thanchingt f.b.i. >> we'll move 0 on to daffen important, go ahead. hello. this is the first time i have ever gotten through