we are spending the hour with noura erakat and gideon levy. of your recent pieces is headlined "we can keep lying to ourselves on apartheid but israel has crossed the line." talk about the sensitivity of israel to this accusation, palestinians and many others around the world have leveled it for a long time. it is increasingly adopted, that term, by mainstream organizations like human rights watch -- and we just saw b'tselem. the significance of calling it this a how it chges? clubs unfortunately, it is very, very, very slow process. still a long way to go. very long way to go. because, amy, israel, as you know, is a society in total denial. i cannot recall one siety which lives in such a denial like the isrl jewish society and the last 20 years or so. nothing from the occupation gets into our daily lives. the occupation seems to be somewhere else, be the oceans, another continentf at all. the israeli is not affected by the ocpation, not affected by the apartheid. live our lives in our bubble, which is very pleasant and i would say very democr

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. >>> and we are back with peter beinart, dan senor and noura erakat. think it would generally be there are many people who believe that the palestinian cause is just, but that its leadership has not been particularly wise. it hasn't negotiated seriously going back to, say, the 2000 deal between arafat and the israelis. how would you respond to that? >> i would respond that no matter what leadership we've had, israeli has considered its talking point that it has no negotiating partner. i would emphasize to the audience we remain a stateless people without an army or even an airport and continue to struggle inder apartheid and occupation despite all odds. it is a lot to ask of us to have robust leaders when they are exiled and impositions because the power deferential is real. we are under apartheid. i want to emphasize into the two-state solution is long dead and used as a veneer to continue this violence. the u.s. provides israel with $3.8 billion dollars a year and has issued 43 security council vetoes to impede an international resolution to this issu