. >> woodruff: we take a closer look at today's hearing with victoria nourse of georgetown university. she served as chief counsel to vice president joe biden in 2015 and 2016, and as counsel to the senate judiciary committee when he was its chairman. and, saikrishna prakash is a constitutional law scholar at the university of virginia, and a former clerk to justice clarence thomas. he will be testifying before the judiciary committee on thursday as a witness in favor of judge barrett's confirmation. hello to both of you. so, victoria nourse, to you firster, what do you make of the questioning from the senators or, i guess in some cases, statements and the answers she's giving overall, what do you make of it? >> well, i think it was fairly predictable that some senators would take this this occasion tk about their own constitutional philosophy, some of these senators are in very tight races as well, so there's a bit of campaigning going on behind the scenes. you know, i think she is being very cautious, as she should, about not undermining her independence, but it's pretty predictable

. >> woodruff: we turn now to the analysis of victoria nourse of georgetown university. was chief counsel to vice president joe biden, and counsel to the senate judiciary committee when he was its chairman. and saikrishna prakash of the university ovirginia. he previously clerked for justice clarence thomas, and will testify tomorrow before the judiciary committee as a witness in support of barrett's confirmation. >> woodruff: hello, again, to both of you. and i'm going to start with you, victoria nourse, what did we learn today from judge barrett that tells us something about how she is going to change the supreme court, if she is confirmed? >> well, i think we learned that she is pable of evading lots of questions. but i think that also suggests something important about how she might rule. so she was asked several times to comment on cases, and she can't do that. but the number of things that she refused to discuss, such as did the president have to leave his office peaceably, were often quite extreme in my view. other justices have answered some of these questions, f

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nourse about, the question -- mr. norris -- didn't understand your brief correctly that you believe we can decide this case based on the current record, correct? >> yes. >> without looking at the other records? >> yes. we believe you can suppose i look at the record and, because i think this is a hypothetical, and because i think at least two of the four factors despots are you with are. two of the four factors seem to me to be much tougher than what we apply. and exhaustion requirement in it and also reapplied for reasonable relevant standard and that's different, that's obviously a lighter skinned reasonably necessary. suppose i look at the subpoena and i think that based on the cummings record it doesn't survive. do you want the court to go on did and then look at the record what you say the gaps are filled in, or are you prepared to say you are happy to the subpoena live or die on the cummings record? >> what we said is this can be upheld on the basis of the comics material, but if you have concerns about that, yo