npis have been relaxed _ place in the summer. npis have been relaxed at— place in the summer.his stage. plan b is yet to come _ relaxed at this stage. plan b is yet to come so — relaxed at this stage. plan b is yet to come. so it is effectively living with a _ to come. so it is effectively living with a higher incidence of covid—19. my question in relation to that aspect— my question in relation to that aspect is, _ my question in relation to that aspect is, various patient representative groups, long covid sos. _ representative groups, long covid 505. long — representative groups, long covid sos, long covid support, long covid kits, had _ sos, long covid support, long covid kits, had written letters to you outlining — kits, had written letters to you outlining the move to step forward at that _ outlining the move to step forward at that point slightly earlier in the pandemic. they complained and made _ the pandemic. they complained and made representations to you that long _ made representations to you that long covid was being ignored and those _ long covid was being ignored

harder, broader on the introduction of npis- yes?— of npis. yes? that is a clear lesson- _ of npis.a clear lesson. and _ of npis. yes? that is a clear lesson. and your _ of npis. yes? that is a clear lesson. and your second - of npis. yes? that is a clear. lesson. and your second lesson of npis. yes? that is a clear- lesson. and your second lesson was the way he — lesson. and your second lesson was the way he returned _ lesson. and your second lesson was the way he returned to _ lesson. and your second lesson was the way he returned to this - lesson. and your second lesson was the way he returned to this issue, i the way he returned to this issue, and you said there was a need to establish some greater degree of clarity on the level of mortality and morbidity that the government and morbidity that the government and society were willing to accept, end quote. and that there is book ending it, february, and then looking at your observations on the second wave, the same concern, you are not being provided with the strategy and that makes it much more difficult for you as advisers to gi

we thought a lot about npis, you had to use them _ thought a lot about npis, you had to use them together, probably. this was going — use them together, probably. this was going to be behaviourally difficult _ was going to be behaviourally difficult. all of that was done through— difficult. all of that was done through february. where we were wrong, _ through february. where we were wrong, and — through february. where we were wrong, and i think it is very clear, is the _ wrong, and i think it is very clear, is the betief— wrong, and i think it is very clear, is the belief that we understood when _ is the belief that we understood wheh to— is the belief that we understood when to do that. it wasn't that we hadn't _ when to do that. it wasn't that we hadn't said — when to do that. it wasn't that we hadn't said do it and this is going to be _ hadn't said do it and this is going to be needed, but we thought we could _ to be needed, but we thought we could understand when to do it. third _ could understand when to do it. third day— could understand when to do it. third day to day came in duri

we thought a lot about npis, you had to use them _ thought a lot about npis, you had to use them togetheris the belief that we understood when _ is the belief that we understood when to— is the belief that we understood when to do that. it wasn't that we hadn't _ when to do that. it wasn't that we hadn't said — when to do that. it wasn't that we hadn't said do it and this is going to be _ hadn't said do it and this is going to be needed, but we thought we could _ to be needed, but we thought we could understand when to do it. third _ could understand when to do it. third day— could understand when to do it. third day to day came in during the week— third day to day came in during the week that — third day to day came in during the week that led up to the 14th and 15th should clearly that we were much _ 15th should clearly that we were much further ahead, it was much more likely— much further ahead, it was much more likely to _ much further ahead, it was much more likely to be _ much further ahead, it was much more likely to be needed urgently

to try to reduce dra- in doubt, but npis to try to reduce drag and _ in doubt, but npis to try to reduced then keeping it under control with test and trace, but the reality _ control with test and trace, but the reality was — control with test and trace, but the reality was we didn't have a test and isolate system at scale, and pubtic— and isolate system at scale, and public health england seemed unable to operate that and that would have required _ to operate that and that would have required a _ to operate that and that would have required a lot more planning over previous— required a lot more planning over previous years and had occurred. even _ previous years and had occurred. even with — previous years and had occurred. even with that, because we got to see did _ even with that, because we got to see did so — even with that, because we got to see did so widely across the uk, not from _ see did so widely across the uk, not from china, — see did so widely across the uk, not from china, not from the countries where _ from china, not from the countries where people thought this would co

i think for the future the plans for what npi i involved earlier? l future the plans for what npi is involved earlier? i think for the i future the plans for what npi is to put in place, that is not a health department thing and false we got the health day structure is properly set up it was a cabinet office thing, quite rightly. it wasn't mid to late february that the system got going on designing npi is and we got to work designing that in the department in the area of the legal things that were needed but that sort of work, hopefully for next time will already be on the books, you know? we should already have published legal draft legislation, published legal draft legislation, published draft legislation that is ready in case it needs to be enacted. back then thanks to the preparation work, one of the areas of preparation of work that went well we had a draft bill that should already be published and scrutinised. so there are two things already. scrutinised. so there are two things alread . a ~ scrutinised. so there are two things alread . ~ , ,

, and simon ridley, one of the cabinet office officials, gave a presentation about npis, and then thereink there was a problem. people question whether the measures were fair, they questioned whether they would work, and if they did work, they wanted financial support. so first of all, slightly contrary to what it had a moment ago, this does appear to suggest that you were contributing to discussions beyond simply the nhs capacity matters. i discussions beyond simply the nhs capacity matters-— capacity matters. i think on this occasion. _ capacity matters. i think on this occasion. i— capacity matters. i think on this occasion, i was _ capacity matters. i think on this occasion, i was asked, - capacity matters. i think on this occasion, i was asked, what - capacity matters. i think on this occasion, i was asked, what are people in the health service, in liverpool, merseyside, the north—west seeing about what is happening in the local situation, because obviously part of my responsibility was to be out and about around the country talking directly to people who were affected. and i think

— associated with lifting various npis around that time? yes.that — around that time? yes. we had raised the risk that prevalence _ around that time? yes. we had raised the risk that prevalence was _ the risk that prevalence was increasing and would continue to increase, and i had commissioned a piece of work from the academy of medical sciences, sorry, going back to my notes, to take into account all of the things that the government needed to consider. and our view was that the increased lifting of measures would drive an increase in prevalence and that, inevitably, that starts to put pressure on the remaining things that were open. and therefore, in a sense, there is a trade—off between schools and other things, and certainly for the reasons discussed earlier, our belief was that schools should usually be the last thing too short, because of all of the knock—on consequences for children. yeah. sir patrick, given those consequences, schools being open is clearly hugely important, but given also the context around prevalence and r rates, were y

that could include everything from evaluating the effects of npis, which one work and which didn't, whatdetection systems and ways to understand viruses. it should be a broad activity and should draw on existing groups rather than necessarily bring everybody into something that is only working on that. then you have a huge amount of expertise brought into an area of focussing on pandemics and oxford and liverpool and others suggested doing this and i'm a strong supporter of the idea that it would be useful. ~ ., ., be useful. would it involve government _ be useful. would it involve government funding? it i be useful. would it involve i government funding? it would be useful. would it involve - government funding? it would and i think it should — government funding? it would and i think it should involve _ government funding? it would and i think it should involve uk _ government funding? it would and i think it should involve uk hss, i think it should involve uk hss, because that is the body with the responsibility for this area and one of the things that i observed during this pandemic

not just within the different proceedings but also npi a does its own thing.got a whole lot of different parts of it the federal government largely coalescing on the cybersecurity management plan other parts largely coalescing on rounding that in the cybersecurity framework which we think is the right place to grounded. that harmonization would create a lot of efficiencies and i think it would improve overall security for the echo system the cybersecurity framework really has become the dominant approach to ensuring cybersecurity both within the private sector, cross sector as well as within the federal government. i would just throw that out there. the rule absolutely heading in the right direction as with the rules for some the other proceedings that also adds extra boxes to check which are different boxes to check than the other rules. i would encourage harmonization along those lines were should be good for the overall echo system we are trying to secure to this largely overlapping with what we are trying to secure it 5g of soul and so forth. >> thanks chr

and if we just i think about the pandemic, and the npis that were adopted during the pandemic, we thinkality venues and so on, these were not executive decisions for you to take during that time, where they? titer;r during that time, where they? they weren't. there _ during that time, where they? they weren't. there are _ during that time, where they? they weren't. there are some _ during that time, where they? tie: weren't. there are some pieces of legislation which we welcome too, i'm sure, the civil contingencies act, which states basically that the mayor is the voice of london, and so in civil emergencies he or she has an important role in being that voice, particularly when it comes to message carrying, for londoners to know what to do.— know what to do. china 'ust to be clear, i know what to do. china 'ust to be ceenl i am — know what to do. china 'ust to be clear, i am certainly _ know what to do. china just to be clear, i am certainly going - know what to do. china just to be clear, i am certainly going to - know what to do. china just to be | clear, i am certainly going to come

district attorney mayor, and our courts here npi, but since the united states supreme court ruled back the rights of women almost 50 years of protections, pennsylvanians voted to stand up. the only reason i became the face woman speaker in pennsylvania how speaker, why i had to gavel, while democrats have a one seat majority in our chamber, because they recognize that just last year, republicans, when they control the house, they were trying to push a constitutional amendment, get this, to ban abortion and require restrictive voter i. d. here in our state. >> let me ask you about that, because they at the state, the support for abortion rights outweighs opponents of abortion rights, but more people are supporting abortion rights and votes like the one that you talked about in pennsylvania in votes like what we saw on tuesday, in these referendum, no matter who puts them in the courts forward. this seems to be into the fence of rights and democracy, as opposed to just a fight about abortion. >> that's right, because the question is what wright is next? in 2020, we saw pennsylvania is a

you would only get to a situation you would only get to a situation you would not have to consider npihat was going to take some time. you have to do whatever you are doing for a period of time until essentially the cavalry came over the hill in the form of medical science. in the hill in the form of medical science. . , ., , ., science. in that period before it became apparent _ science. in that period before it became apparent there - science. in that period before it became apparent there were i science. in that period before it. became apparent there were cases science. in that period before it - became apparent there were cases and then subsequently deaths in the united _ then subsequently deaths in the united kingdom, there are references to you _ united kingdom, there are references to you in _ united kingdom, there are references to you in the — united kingdom, there are references to you in the e—mail correspondence with government and also meetings, referring _ with government and also meetings, referring to _ with government and also meetings, referring to the risks of overr

were was that always that you were only going to get to a situation you would not have to consider npisedical countermeasures . countermeasures. >> a search is underway for four young men who have been reported missing in the north of wales. jevon hurst, harvey irwin , wilf jevon hurst, harvey irwin, wilf henderson hugo morris henderson and hugo morris haven't been accounted for since sunday morning. they were last seen in a silver ford fiesta as they headed off on a camping trip in snowdonia area. trip in the snowdonia area. nonh trip in the snowdonia area. north police is appealing north wales police is appealing for anyone with information to contact them . government contact them. government borrowing was higher than expected in october , reportedly expected in october, reportedly due to cost of living payments and benefits. the office for national statistics says public sector net borrowing stood at £149 sector net borrowing stood at £14.9 billion last month. that's 4.4 billion more than a year before . the chancellor says that before. the chancellor says that while the government

my view is always that you were only going to get to a situation you would not have to consider npisou'd the sake of argument. once you'd got medical countermeasures , got medical countermeasures, government borrowing was higher than expected in october , than expected in october, reportedly due to cost of living payments and benefits. >> the office for national statistics says public sector net borrowing stood at £149 net borrowing stood at £14.9 billion last month. that's 4.4 billion last month. that's 4.4 billion more than a year before . billion more than a year before. the chancellor says that while the government has reduced inflation, more work is needed to achieve the bank of england's goal of 2. lang lancashire police has been criticised for its handling of the disappearance of nicola bully. a review found failings in the way personal information about ms bullies health struggles was disclosed to the press, which contributed to wild speculation. it said that non—reportable background information should have been provided to the media to help shape responsible reporting witho

were was always that that you were only going to get to a situation you would not have to consider npisfor the sake of argument. once you'd got medical countermeasures . countermeasures. >> the prime minister has defended the decision to hand tough sentences to climate protesters who caused major disruption . it comes after the disruption. it comes after the united nations raised concerns over the sentences handed to protesters who scaled the dartford crossing last year , dartford crossing last year, saying they were significantly more severe than those imposed in the past . more severe than those imposed in the past. but rishi sunak defended the tough penalties, saying the protesters were selfish and intent on causing misery to the hard working majority . lancashire police has majority. lancashire police has been criticised for its handling of the disappearance of nicola bully . a review found failings bully. a review found failings in the way personal information about ms burley's health struggles was disclosed to the press, which contributed to wild speculation . it said that specula