none of this was known for the nrc or to the nrc until harold benton showed up three days later. so, between one and 2 pm in the afternoon there was a hydrogen explosion and it was so powerful that the control room shook. the pressure indicator in the control room showed not just high pressure but temperatures spiked and the plant manager, guy name miller was in the room when it happened. and they discussed that he was aware of the explosion. immediately after he drove off to tell the governor everything was under control. a couple of quotes from miller, both in phone calls and in congressional testimonies and things like that. referring to the temperature, they were hot enough to be scared. pretty early, we were scared but we didn't know where the the plan was going and we were not in our minds convinced that the war was totally covered. none of that made it to governor thornburg. if the nrc had known that they would've told governor thornburg to evacuate. that did not happen for two days. >> during the trial, this is a little bit of inside baseball, i was a little bit of an exp

from the nrc tapes, roger madsen. >> laying them down is risky. there is negligible risk in bringing this plant down. no plant has ever been prepped or analyzed in this condition. in the history of this program -- with a damaged core. >> there are 72 nuclear plants in the country right now operating. there are about hundred 20 in the pipeline similar under construction, and sometime between now and 10 years from now we will have about 200 plants running unless the program is curtailed. based on the accident experience up to the present time, and 10 years we will have an accident like three mile island every year or two. >> this is the can stroll control room at millstone connecticut. the first warning would come here. everything in the reactor is controlled by switch and handle in this room. delegate sensors continuously monitor conditions inside the reactor core. every system as a backup system. often a backup for the backup system. in spite of the elaborate technology or maybe because of it, things go wrong. when that happens, an alarm sounds. a

to theber when we went nrc, excuse me for jumping thornburgt i remember standing before the nrc and saying, i will not to reopen this plant until i am convinced -- if i have to call the national guard till i am convinced that we can run this plant safely, and as it is now, i do not see it. i am crying. i am clapping. he gets it. he understands where we are coming from. two weeks later, he was convinced. when his term was up, he got a beautiful job in the white house -- i mean, in washington. what i did was i made a sign that said governor thornburg is a wimp. i went to down to the governor posner mansion and stood there with though assigned. i rang the bell, but he never answered. [laughter] everything we tried to do from a health study -- they promised us a health study. they promised they would do a health study. i know we live in a five mile radius, and the lady that was supposed to do the health study happened to live in the gardens. when no one came to my door, i called her and said, did i miss you, and she said, i was told not to do that area because you are not in the five-mile radi

so i don't have a lot of sympathy for the nrc. when we came back i went to the different meetings and realized that when one question was asked in one township the same question was asked in another township and at the time nrc and gpu were answering the questions. they were giving different answers and after a few months it was so clear to me that they were either lying or they really didn't know what they were doing. either case not comforting. while i was going to these meetings i thought -- saw other ladies there and one of the ladies lived a quarter of a mile or a mile outside of the development. i say the development because we lived in schell gardens with 500 families and a beautiful place to raise your children. i thought it will be our forever home. my 50-year-old daughter was like four months old when we moved in. we loved middletown. we loved the area. beth and i saw these ladies and we decided, listen we've got to do something about this we have to do something positive in a good way without being angry and just do som

is there an actual nrc plant to do it? eric: the nrc offers three options, decon, the immediate decommissioning. that is what the industry does now. i'm a little concerned about that. a third party comes on-site. and the third option, which i think would be a horrible option, you reach in the -- you in tomb the reactor. , tmi two, when it came online, there was no decommissioning fund. the industry and the government had no vision how they would clean it up. remember, ratepayers paid to build the plant. defuel thepaid to plant. and ratepayers will pay for the decommissioning. tmi 1 has a decommissioning fund, but they can go back to the ratepayers. tmi 1 is likely to be decon, immediately decommission. tmi 2 will probably make history again because they will have to find a fourth way to decommission the plant. it is owned by different company. first energy owns tmi two. exxon owns tmi one. this is a really bizarre scenario where one plant may be decommissioned and this one may not. owned by two different owners. this plant

is there an actual nrc plant to do it? nrc offers three immediateecon, the decommissioning. that is what the industry does now. i'm a little concerned about that. a third party comes on-site. , which ihird option think would be a horrible option, you reach in the reactor. when it came on monday mother was no decommissioning fund. the industry and the government had no vision how they would clean it up. toember, ratepayers paid build the plant. ratepayers paid to fuel the player. and ratepayers will pay for the decommissioning. 1 has a decommissioning fund, but they can go back to the ratepayers. decon,s likely to be immediately decommission. 2 will probably make history again because they will have to find a fourth way to decommission the plant. it's really bizarre scenario where one plant may be decommissioned and this one may not. owned by two different owners. this plant has 520 employees, this plant has zero. our last call from philadelphia, carol, good morning. caller: i'm originally from pittsburgh. i have been to that area a few times. the last time i stayed in a hote

. >> nrc has ordered officials to seven other nuclear plants around the country. narrator: richard thornburg had been governor of pennsylvania for less than 3 months. he was the first elected official to confront the possibility of a nuclear catastrophe. it was the worst accident in the history of the nuclear industry. but when the first call came into thornburgh at 8:00 a.m., march 28, no one suggested the dimensions of the problem. two hours later, the lieutenant governor was so reassured by the plants operator that he announced everything was under control. but then, that same afternoon in a spot check at the state capitol, the governor's own inspectors pick up abnormal readings of radiation. the search for the truth was underway. the governor's press secretary talked to producer george. >> the company was giving us conflicting statements, and it did not take us too long to find out that they were failing either intentionally or unintentionally to tell us the whole story. >> on the first day of the crisis, does the utility company, metropolitan edison, refuse t

now land grants can apply directly to an rcs -- nrcs for federal dollars. they can now directly access federal funds for work on their land and infrastructure. i appreciate new laws requiring new rules, but i do not want to lose the momentum while we await final equip rules. one is to allow land grants to enter into pilot project agreements. what will your department due to ensure continuity of funding while you finalize the equip rules? sec. perdue: the program has been one of our popular conservation programs you generously funded, although it has always been oversubscribed. this will create more demand and more need for funds in the equip program. we are working feverishly on all these conservation issues to implement the farm bill as he wrote it. there are various issues -- by the way, i need to mention you might want to look at the funding for the implementation of the farm bill. it seems to be fairly slight this year compared to the new changes. you have new software, need training, different things like that that we are trying to work to get right be

calculations of what he believes to have been released, and he came up with 36 million .uries the nrc's website will tell you 10 million, but their own guy is saying, 36 million. back to a bit of inside baseball, during the trial, they hired a guy named john daniels. he tried to prove 10 million in his calculations, but when i saw his calculations, there were numerous errors. are brought that up in my usingtion and actually his calculations, he comes out uries. million c daniels recently his second expert report and comes in at 17 million. so, how much was released? the n.r.c. is at 10. daniel's revised is at 17, the 36,c.'s lake barrett is a and daniels before it is revised is at 150 million curies. i am actually more at 100 million curies, that is the estimate i came up with. this brings me to dr. steve wing. he passed recently, but he did tmi.idemiological study of i first met him here in harrisburg in the rotunda 10 years ago. i had predicted 10 million curies and i couldn't figure out why there weren't any cancers. and steve had come up with this cancer map that showed up and down

alex vogel, a former counsel for the nrc. great to have you here. mary ann, let's start with you. you've been through impeachment fights before on capitol hill way back when. now there's like attention i would imagine from the old guard, who knows the consequences of impeachment and a very energized base, the resistance that wants to get donald trump out of office not trying to win an election against him. your thoughts. >> i think it's important for congress to act. that's what robert mueller obviously is expecting. he took his case against donald trump and referred it to congress just as he has 14 other cases in federal court. so the best thing congress can do is to first get the full mueller report, all of it, with all the evidence. you saw jerry nadler, the congressman and chairman subpoena to get that. that is the right thing to do. hold hearings on it. see what else is there. there's still a lot of ongoing cases out there, a lot of grand jury team and unsealed indictments and then see if impeachment is the right route to take. it's the false choice here that you can't pursue

i know, steve, congressman you were at the nrc c dinner already been through so many years.ght at the trump hotel and this just happened. the president was in fine form and a stand-up comedian if he didn't become the president, this is the president watch. so going in the war with some socialists. [laughter] and it looks like the only nonsort of heavy socialist is being taken care of pretty well. [laughter] her former vice president. are you having a good time, joe? [laughter] are you having a good time? but we will be running against somebody that will go as far left as possible. >> laura: well, there was a joke they were. but joe biden was the focus of some of trump's humor. congressman comeau when you watch trump up there tonight and again we could have had a longe. he has an ability to just rip off that teleprompter. i'm getting text messages. this is memorizing. people wanted it to go on and on and it did go on and on. >> ari: laura he was so animated in talking about how great this country is and what he's doing. and how he was talking about there with joe biden was ba

the nrcs nevada, natural resources conservation service in nevada, this winter's snow pack is no joke mount rose site it is 157 inches deep with 59 inches of water, or 162% of normal. that is a lot of snow and a lot of water. the snow melt started a little bit yesterday. it will probably be cut back a little today because it is snowing at donner mm for sierra 164%. same for the central sierra, southern 155 liquid. that is a lot of snow that has to melt to give us all that water. you can see the snow at tahoe and truckee. there it is rain and donner summit says snow. on the peninsula a couple of cells going through. right over redwood city, i know a couple of cells right there. to the south, 280, 101 toward san jose, as well and the santa cruz mountains toward the east san jose foothills, to evergreen, now starting to make a move also toward the east bay. sonora grade to pleasanton, 680, you can see that moving in the san jose foothills and a pretty good cell went through willow glen not too long ago. not too heavy but we have rain in the forecast. we will get a break on wednesday. thu

so the nrc p. -- >> you better come up, he is floundering. >> roche is on the aaa committee that reviews the standard and they have reviewed it this year. the standard is reviewed on a regular basis. the congress and the f.c.c., realizing that their primary goal was not health, turned to the e.p.a. and other organizations. >> we will let your friend try to explain this. >> that standard was approved in 1998, and this standard, you can further explain. >> just to clarify from the accident -- acronyms and timelines, the f.c.c. standard combines a two existing standards of the times in 1996. it combines the national radiation protection standard, and the electronic engineer standard. since that time, the standards have been updated many times. the most recent update is coming in a couple of months. i am part of the subcommittee that sets the standard, and our standard is unchanged from that time from 1996. we are continuously looking at new literature, but all that points to the fact that the standard is well established, the standard is effectively the same in almost -- across all the deve

. >> dana: let me read to you an op-ed by matt gorman, one of our friends here, formerly with the nrcat joe biden is in the democratic friends so now that he is running, but every attack will fit under a neat little narrative that it is his biggest problem. and that the party has passed him by. do you think that that is true? >> it may be somewhat problematic in the primary, but i think as a candidate he comes into the race with very high favorable ratings. about a net 20 points favorable to unfavorable. he is very well-known. he is showing already that he is leading donald trump from 8-9 points on an overall ballot, so for those democrats out there that are looking for the person to be donald trump, right now he has a great deal of evidence that he may be the candidate. >> dana: with the pole that just came out from georgetown on civility in politics, it is a pretty high number. 90% of people are concerned about incivility and rude behavior. 80% the goal of compromise and common ground that it is important to them. 83% unacceptable behavior now. accepted as normal. this is a georgeto

both by the nrc, the county commission, the presidential commission by the state of pennsylvania and by congress and lots of other people and they said why was the plant licensed, they were things that were not clear. and those were valid questions because, the utility it turned out was not well-equipped to operate the plant. but, according to all the licensing parameters that govern the plant it met the standards and that came as a huge shock to everyone because it did meet standards and yet you had a major accident. >> the book is titled 3 mile island, a nuclear crisis and historical perspective, our guest, samuel walker, thank you very much for being part of the program . >> thank you it's a pleasure to be here . >> and our best to your brother . >> here's what's next, footage of richard thorne burrell and his reaction to the accident and a look at the legacy of the nuclear crisis and a discussion on 3 mile island and the fukushima disaster. taking a look at friday's american history primetime, edward ayres talks about the battle of gettysburg describing how people in surrounding

this took place earlier at a dinner sponsored by the nrc see and hear are the comments.o clip] time had been here by that 3, 3 .5 years, going into the war with some socialist. it looks like the only non-sort of heavy socialist is being taken of -- vacant -- being taken care of pretty well by this socialist. our former vice president. i was going to call him, i don't know him well. was going to say "welcome to the world, joe tomko are you having a good time, joe? are you having a good time, joe? host: when it comes to the support of the vice president, you heard several democratic lawmakers. you can find that on his twitter feed if you wish. we will go to judy in maryland. hello. caller: i don't know what qualifies a person to be president or first lady because if donald trump or anybody in -- republican party is what qualifies a person to be the president? people seem like they don't have morals now, thinking back to what they heard because melania with a briefcase neck.d to her host: what do you think about the response to joe biden? caller: i have been watching joe bi

west health recently partnered with nrc out of chicago so understand perceptions of factors that contribute to high costs. what we found is nearly three out of four americans thought the players that make up the health care system man tan high prices. we asked about. competition. two-thirds think the same players maintain low competition. high prices, low competition. what do you call that? the oxford decision nary defines that as a cartel. turns out gary's description of the health care system is an apt description and americans overwhelmingly agree. for me personally when i thought about a cartel, many things came to mind, however the u.s. health care system was not one of them. as it turns out we seemingly have one and it's life in well inned with and across the country. now i would like to introduce someone who works tireless will and i who has been a powerful champion to improve our health care system, making it more affordable and accessible. please welcome the board chair of the united states of care, senior adviser for the biden policy senter and former acting administrator for cms.

you can tell it is a politically loaded term by the fact that within 24 hours, the nrc said the hunterse now become the junta's -- the hunted. i think using that language gives me some concern that he has prejudged what happened but i agree with -- i agree that all investigations on either side should have adequate predication before law enforcement tools are used. host: you talked about the reaction yesterday in the circles you run in, and among former obama officials, to that hearing and that word. that: there was concern that term was playing into a political attack made against the department and the fbi. it is important in the long run for our country that law enforcement efforts of the department and the fbi be viewed by the public as good-faith efforts to find out what happened and follow the facts where they lead. when that becomes politicized, everyone loses. host: on capitol hill over the last two days, the attorney general received a lot of questions about the mueller report, the reduction process -- the redirect -- the readacti on process. guest: there are two questions i wi