for example, nrel was the developer, essentially inventor and developer. there's a number of solar companies making the technology. those technologies are continuing to improve. one doesn't know whether silicon or some other technology. they're certainly a player in that field and they're certainly in a competitive race. so i think to have a hull market for clean energy standard, a protection tax credit, those are mechanisms that can stimulate private sector investment that then stimulates manufacturing in the united states. and this is why, yes, china wants to export, but they also realize that we have to create a home market as well. it's this mixture that they need. >> and you're employing if we don't extend the ptc, that home market missi t bipartisan way that's crucial -- >> well, it's who goes through how do you get a market draw, how do you help bring slightly lower cost financing, all those things. you talk to any supplier of wind, they would rather set up a supply chain in the country where these things are being installed. this is heavy stuff. an