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. >> former cia and nsa chief michael heyden said it's time for ordinary americans to make tough choices. >> what's the balance the american people want between their privacy and their security? >> reporter: meanwhile, u.s. and british embassies in yemen have been ordered closed amid new evidence al qaeda is planning another attack. u.s. officials say the embassy threat was not specific but given current circumstances they are not taking any chances. brian mooar, news4, washington. >>> a florida man suspected of gunning down a child in three other family members during thanksgiving dinner has been captured. after a nationwide manhunt. th police caught up at a hotel in the florida keys. hotel workers tipped them off saying they saw the suspect's picture on "america's most wanted" accused of kills his twin sister, aunt and a young cousin. >> it was a huge relief to know that the monster's in the cage. >> it's been an added stress, having this policem manhunt goig on. my mom and daughter are on my mind all day long. i wake up in tears. >> the suspect's car, a key part of the manhunt was fou

he said he was conservative his son, he's in yemen, and the nsa intercepted background. follow those meetings with written communications and telephone calls. we know that yemen is a hotbed of terrorism. apparently intelligence community didn't receive a possibility al qaeda and the arab peninsula might attack the homeland which is the story is another failure of imagination and it seems al qaeda is fixation on aviation system all of it seems to me not just in retrospect but before the effect of to have been enough to put on high alert and there certainly is the president's view as he has said repeatedly. another thing i would say is john brennan was famous the, the white house countered terse adviser, has acknowledged that he was briefed by the saudi tourism official himself was nearly assassinated by an assassin who used petn, one of the things used this device, on the body and this wasn't shared he said with the faa or tsa because this was an assassination attempt in a building. it seems to me that we have all of the failure of pagination the predated the 9/11 point.

not under fbi, nsa, homeland security. it is under direct tore of national security. not any single person's jurisdiction. and all the different agencies are there and they're all supposed to be participating and all supposed to see data and sharing and thinking making sure they don't miss things. design it is supposed to do exactly what it should have done here but it didn't. why didn't it? i don't yet know that answer. >> host: tucson, arizona, jerry on the republican line. >> caller: good morning. in the regulatory world of fda is called root cause analysis when a problem is occurred. when you do to find out true systemic of the problem was. in my opinion, when i look what i know, this truly wasn't a system failure. this was a system failure because humans who followed the system, didn't carry through on their responsibilities. now, one then i think that all of us have and learned over the years is that the intensity of your boss, for a certain task or a certain priority sets your priority. and, when i learned that eric holder, his law firm did probone work for the

once there was information and an intercept, presumably the nsa heard something about a nigerian who would be involved in a christmas day attack -- once we know nigerian, once we have a partial name, that should be in the system so that when the cia receives additional hum int, the father of this young man coming into the embassy, we don't know exactly what he said. whether there was information about a threat his son made about america. that information should have been knitted up together with the prior electronic intercept that talks about a nigerian being involved in a christmas airplane attack. >> this goes to the question of bureaucratic bloat. one of the issues i keep hearing when i talk to intelligence officials is they feel there were more entities added on after the 9/11 commission made recommendations and none taken away. there are more people working in the community. there are more bits of intelligence coming in. maybe it needs streamlining. my question to you, fran, because you worked in this community, did the 9/11 commission recommendations fail? >> i will tell you i

the heads of all these agencies, the nsa, tsa, the cia, the state department, the fbi, the whole alphabet soup of national security and military institutions and agencies here in washington, is going to be meeting in the situation room and, perhaps, it was a result of that renewed scrutiny. of course the president did reveal that detail that we have learned since the thwarted attack, that al qaeda in yemen played a very large role in it. perhaps that was part of the upshot, some of the new information we're learning. >> what's the key in terms of this tuesday meeting that president obama has called for at the white house when he returns from vacation? what specifically is he asking from all of his intelligence agency heads on this? >> this information that he shared with the american people yesterday, that al qaeda on the arabian peninsula had a hand in this thwarted attack, wants to know why intelligence agencies didn't share that information with each other? after all, it was the 9/11 commission that is responsible, their recommendations, for forming many of these very same agencies, th

former c and nsa chief, michael hayden, says it's time for ordinary americans to make some tough choices. >> what's the balance the american people want between their privacy and their security? >> so far today, there aren't many visible security changes at airports in europe. british and swiss officials are set to be still studying the new rules. >>> well, the u.s. and british embassies in yemen will remain closed for another day after threats of an al qaeda attack. the embassies were locked up yesterday after the new intelligence surfaced. white house officials are calling the threats, quote, active and ongoing. security has been beefed up around the embas and employees have all been evacuated. a u.s. security tm is expected to meet today to discuss when the american embassy will reopen. >>> security lines out at newark international airport are moving one again, one day after a security breach that shut everything down for nearly six hours. authorities say that a man walked through a checkpoint exit into the secure side of a terminal last night and then disappeared into the crowd. fli

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we have now a system in place that the fbi and cia, nsa, department of homeland security, and others are working very collaboratively together in. what we need to do is to be sure we're able to leverage that system every day, making sure that it's 1,000% perfect so that we don't have another person like abdulmutallab come in. yes, i think the american people can take comfort in knowing the government has worked hard since 9/11 and has made steady progress, not just in terms of helping to secure the country, but also degrading, disrupting, and we're ultimately going to defeat al qaeda. >> i guess what a lot of people should be concerned about is that sense of, you know, how does this kind of thing happen? where you have multiple end points into the system -- inputs into the system, where there's information that looks a lot clearer in hindsight obviously. nevertheless, for trained professionals to look at and say, oh, this has to be blinking bright red. has to go to the top of the system. how do we get from where we apparently are to that place? >> as i said, i think that we have been

similarly here as the president said again today, the nsaç intercepted messages that said a terror attack nigerian banker went to the state department not once but twice. talked to uxe central intelligence agency too. then followed up with telephone calls and with written communication. as the president said that was enough at a minimumç to get him on the no-fly list in which case he wouldn't have boarded the flight at all. >> lehrer: mr. simon, youç know this. you've worked in government as a career. you're a specialist in this particular area.v: do you leave the words... hearing the words of the president with a sense of confidenceç "now, final he, they're going to get their act together and we're going to stop this and they're going to stop... they're going to start connecting theç dots, et ceter, et cetera, et cetera"? >> well, look. this case was complicated by the fact thatç under the way we use intelligence,78p&h! h didn't give the system what the system needed to move, to move expeditiously. normally a walk-in to the embassy who provides information on a suspectedç terrorist

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when is the nsa billing to coordinate with the judicial branch, i.e. fbi? guest: i do not know what the answer is to that. i know that unfortunately the intelligence reform bills pushed through the congress, very few congressmen actually read it. it expanded the intelligence community from 16 units to 18 units. as a result it has created a greater bureaucracy. we still have computer systems that are not shared across the system. i am told that we sometimes have three or four different cpu's under their desks in order to have contact with different agencies. personally i think that nothing short of another attack on the short of another attack on the united states is guest: certainly, the leadership has not been inspiring. caller: good morning. i would like to know, how can we as americans stop someone who is willing to put a device on themselves and blow themselves up and others. i would like to know how we can stop it. guest: i do not think there is a way to stop it with any 100% assuredness. one way to stop it is to decrease the motivation of those people

did the nsa failed to pass on the information?r was it at the counter- terrorism center that they failed to connect the dots? i do not know is, president has figured this out yet. at the moment, we do not know where to point their finger. that is why we're in this pause period. either through the presidential investigation, or in congress, i am sure the public will know. reporters are asking the same questions. we hope to answer them as soon as we find out the answer. there will be hearings this month. i do not yet know the dates. anytime you have something like this -- it is almost like a competition among the committees in congress to call witnesses. various committees will have hearings in the house and senate. host: what is the national counter-terrorism center? guest: is a facility in northern virginia. it is a huge room filled with computers. it is basically the brain of the united states intelligence system. any tip -- it was created after september 11. this was the place that was supposed to answer the 9/11 commission repo

it can be a case developed by the cia, ntia or nsa or even ourselves, it goes national terrorism center the national counterterrorism center makes the determination as to which lists the individual be nominated to whether the no-fly, the selector the terrorist screen database. for domestic terrorists it is the fbi that makes the recommendation to the screening center as to who should go on that list. it is screened by both the contributing agency to the national counterterrorism center screens of the national counterterrorism center screens it themselves and finally the terrorist screening center does a followed screening, follow-up to assure there is sufficient identifying data and that the information supporting the person on that list supports the criterion for being placed on that list. >> i've gone over my time and i obviously have a lot more questions but i don't want to interrupt others. we will go through these questions and you and i may want to spend some time later in the week -- and by showing a list i will submit for the record, a long list and there will be submitted for t

it can be a case developed by the cia, ntia or nsa or even ourselves, it goes national terrorism center and the national counterterrorism center makes the determination as to which lists the individual be nominated to whether the no-fly, the selector the terrorist screen database. for domestic terrorists it is the fbi that makes the recommendation to the screening center as to who should go on that list. it is screened by both the contributing agency to the national counterterrorism center screens of the national counterterrorism center screens it themselves and finally the terrorist screening center does terrorist screening center does a@@@@@@k do you think we can do better by getting people off of the list? i heard somebody on a talk show the other day say it keeps getting stopped. >> in some sense, yes. if people do not belong on the best, they should be off for a variety of reasons. feres with their right. who would be responsible to that? is the nctc? >> in terms of international terrorism? yes. but also dhs in terms of the redress process when somebody files a complaint that they

former cia and nsa chief michael hayden said it's time for ordinary americans to make some tough choicess the balance american people want between their privacy and security? >> all international travellers will see an increase in random screening including the use of those controversial body scan machines. >>> this morning fed chairman ben bernanke is calling for tighter regulations to prevent anotr financial meltdown. courtney reagan joins us more now with this story. >> reporter: good morning. ben bernanke says lack regulations are to blame. but the housing boom holding ragts too low after the 2001 recession. bernanke says extra low rates were needed to jump start the economy and job market after 9/11 and those accounting scandals remember enron and world come that rocked wall street. however he didn't rule out raising rates in the future as a way to heed off market bubbles that could throw the u.s. into another crisis. an americans spent more money going to the movies than watching dvds at home. hollywood earned a record $10.6 billion last year thanks to block busters like "avatar."

nsa deficit hog i support that. that is the reduction is get the economy growing again.se steps that have been taken have been quite effective. if we go back to the chart and what's happening in economic growth in the first quarter, we had a negative 6.4% negative growth. this quarter, we are expecting and the forecaster is ours forecasting 2.2% economic growth. that is a remarkable turnabout in critically important to reducing the deficit both short-term and long-term. if necessary, but not sufficient. so i believe we need more measures that provide the quiddity to help create the conditions for the private sector, to increase jobs. but at the same time, we've got to give it and deal with the long-term debt threat. and i know that's, in many ways, that sounds counterintuitive. that sounds contradictory. unfortunately, economics is often contradictory. yeah? >> will anything be finalized -- [inaudible] >> yes. yeah? >> you mention scoring tart money is not set. the baseline they produced last month with some circumstances had produced so much in a positive way that the b

when is the nsa billing to coordinate with the judicial branch, i.e. fbi?uest: i do not know what the answer is to that. i know that unfortunately the intelligence reform bills pushed through the congress, very few congressmen actually read it. it expanded the intelligence community from 16 units to 18 units. as a result it has created a greater bureaucracy. we still have computer systems that are not shared across the system. i am told that we sometimes have three or four different cpu's under their desks in order to have contact with different agencies. personally i think that nothing short of another attack on the united states is going to move us off dead center. the bureaucratic lethargy is extraordinary in this government. leadership from past presidents has been uninspiring. host: good morning, next caller. caller: how can we as americans stop someone who is willing to blow themselves up and others? how can we stop that? thank you. guest: i do not think that there is a way to stop it with any kind of 100% sure this. one way to stop it is to decrease

about what you feel -- our society is a democratic bubble in the world, and perhaps agencies like the nsainto things, do you really feel that undermining our only source of really protecting ourselves is a wise thing at this time? guest: well, you bring up the justice department investigations, and that is into the detention and interrogation program abuses. you raise a point that others have raised, in and outside the cia, that i investigating -- that by investigating, he will hurt future operations and lower morale. i think eric holder has at least listen to some of that, because he has kept his investigation fairly narrow. it is a hard thing to assess, exactly, what the impact this has on at the operations, how muchxd intelligence officers get gun shy when they fear of future investigation. they certainly say there is that concerned that no one will want to do anything too risky, because they will have to spend their kids' college education on a lawyer, because ultimately it the winds were shipped and will be called before progress. -- winds will shift and they will be called before co

it can be in international terrorism case developed by the cia, dia or nsa or even a cells because nationalunter-terrorism center makes the determination as to which lists the individual will be nominated to whether it be the no-fly, the select the or the terrorist screening database. for domestic terrorist it is the fbi that makes the recommendation to the terrorist screening center as to who should go on that list. it is screened by both the contributing agency to the national counterterror some centers crain's it and then the national counterterrorism centers crain's at stem cells unfun let's terrorist screening center does they follow up screening to ensure that there is sufficient identifying data and that the information supporting putting the person on the west supports the criteria for being placed on the list. >> i have run over my time. i have got a lot more questions but i don't want to interrupt the others. we will go through these questions and you and i may want to spend some time later in the week. i have a list of testimony i'm going to submit for the letter, will be submitt

and there are references from conversations picked up by the nsa from al-qaeda in the arabian peninsulaof a nigerian that they are going to use for an attack. obviously the father indicates a nigerian. and then somehow that didn't all come together. now, here's what troubles me, we live in an age which any one of us and our young children, our grandchildren now in my case, can go on their computers, go to google and search an enormous array of databases immediately. my impression and, director blair, mr. leiter, you respond to this, is that at nctc we don't of that ability now. you got a series of separate databases from different parts of the intelligence community and the government so that in that sense -- and you've got access to all of them, plenty of sharing. but there's not a program, a search engine right now by which you can by act or by a somewhat automatic software programming can have expected in this case, for instance, that there would have been a hit and an alarm on umar farouk abdulmutallab or umar farouk, nigeria, december 25th, am i right? do we not of that capacity wi

21 people, and the president had the defense department, the state department, the cia, the dea, the nsa, you know, embassies consulates and he had probably a lot more information and better advice than i had. so on issues of war and peace, you know, i was reluctant to say, well, i know what i think and i'm just going to stop the president. so i did, there was a time when i defered to the executive on those kinds of issues. >> i forgot, emily lovejoy, hofstra university. >> good. glad to have you here. >> hi, i'm mike wing from university of iowa. i had a question. do you -- >> congratulations. >> oh, thank you. >> hawkeyes looked good. >> do you think that the, members of both the house and senate are becoming complacent and siding with their party simply to save their seat? or is it maybe their actions have become acceptable by the american public, by continuing to vote them in as incumbents? or is it possibly that the more powerful members of each party are restricting outside thought and maybe stepping over party lines? >> you know, it is really interesting question. i don't know the

caller: the top two managers in the cia and the fbi, and maybe the nsa.ncies does it take to figure out we're at war with these extremists? it is all about corruption and america should be ashamed. host: the caller mentioned medicare and the president will be meeting today on capitol hill with leaders talking about how to move full word in creating conference legislation for the house and senate versions of that legislation. taking your calls for the next few minutes of the airline security measures. there some 20 officials that met with the president. we will speak tomorrow with eric clapton on "washington journal" tomorrow at 7:00 a.m.. from pennsylvania, tim on the republican line. caller: i am basically going back to when the vice-president had mentioned it is not a matter of time of wind, but if -- or if not if, but when this is going to happen. now it appears that there are obviously -- they are obviously trying to make it happen. it seems to me that if they assume that from the beginning of the administration, why have they just now, when something

the nsa intercepts that phi gearian was being prepared for the attacks in the united states here on the homeland. my understanding is one of those intercepts, i think there were several, specifically mentioned the first two names of the terrorist. you put that together with the fact that this suspect's own father, not just any guy all of the street as it's been said in the intelligence community, but a respected nigerian banker went physically to the embassy, talked to not one but two the state department and intelligence agency. it was a missing personals. i'm concerned about my son. he's in yemen. they followed those meetings up with written communications and telephone calls. we know that yemen is a hot bed of terrorism. apparently the intelligence community didn't conceive that they might attack the homeland. which seems to me another figure of imagination. and we also know about al qaeda's fixation on the aviation system. all of that it seems to me not just in retrospect should have been enough to put us in the high alert. that certainly is the president's view. another thing that

when the shootings at fort hood happened and we found out that there were some intercepts found by the nsa and fbi that weren't acted upon. this is obviously is a bigger problem than anybody realized. i think the president will try to address some of that. >> host: terrorism and homeland security is our topic for the next 45 minutes with evan perez, of "the wall street journal." if you like to get involved in the conversation, 202-7070002 for democrats. independents, 202-268-2065. send us messages on e-mail or twitter. this announcement the president has this afternoon will he reach out to countries oversees and trying to enlist them in making the decides united states and in fact the world safer. >> guest: the president since he came to office has been trying to sound that theme. he traveled overseas, trying to, at least, at least make, make the words that come out of the president be about more cooperation and so on. and i think he is going to try to incorporate this theme, which is, you know, the concern about terrorism and, perhaps something that, has been gone into the background, und

so when the is cia and the nsa and the dia going to coordinate with the judicial branch, i.e. fbi. >> you know, i don't know what the answer is to that. i know that unfortunately, the intelligence reform bill that was pushed through the congress with very few congressman reading it apparently was expanded the intelligence community from 16 to 18 units. and as a result, it has created a greater bureaucracy. we still have computer systems that aren't shared across the computer. i've been told that people at nctc have sometimes three or four different cpus in order to have conduct with different agencies. i personally think that nothing sort of another attack on the united states will really move us off of dead center. the bureaucratic lethargy is extraordinary in this government. certainly, the leadership under the last several governments has not been inspiring. >> host: next on the democrat line. good morning. >> caller: good morning. i would like it know how we as americans can stop someone who's willing to put a device on themselves and blow themselves up and others. i would

nsa, cia, developed by the state department goes into the nctc for determination as to where that person should we and on which watchlist. and to the extent there is follow-up, it is generally there when it comes to international terrorism. >> i just like to make the observation that there was information that was put into the databank and it appears like before christmas day no one acted on that. >> well, there is some information that did get to nctc and other information that did not get to nctc. and so it was a question and i think it's fair to say that some person should have passed information into nctc and did not end up there. and the database where you have the information that leads to putting a person on either a select or no-fly list for international terrorism is generally goes through that process. >> i guess my concern is that it's not clear as to whose responsibility it was to take that information and to develop it, whether it is a serious enough link a monopoly to protect america against that individual, but to use that information to try to determine whether there is a