number two is the nsa.when they say i want to put an essay in charge of all the public networks, it doesn't bring screams of joy. [laughter] but even worse than a corporate perspective is, okay, it's not dhs and it's not nsa. how about the fbi? >> did you get that last one? >> i did. the problems that we have are the ones of the general counsel. the general counsel -- dmitri did a really good job. am i going to want the fbi crawling over my network? the most for the most part, they're going to say no. so it defaults to dhs, but people do not trust its. >> it. >> okay, so if you stick more money in the chain of command, you think that the private sector would sign-on? >> no. i think you really need to focus. you try to do it at the end. you don't need to regulate the whole world. we don't need regulate the whole economy. different sectors are in different places. one sector -- maybe you don't care about it. technically agriculture and national monuments our critical infrastructure. banks and telecom, they ar

maryland houses many major government institutions like fort meade, the naval academy, nih, adn the nsa. all would take drastic funding cuts. >> we are one of the most defense-intensive states in the country. maryland is in the cross hairs of the fiscal cliff. >> another economist points to one of baltimore's crown jewels, john hopkins university. it would take a big hit because it is the leading recipient of nih research grants. >> it is not just about spending cuts. tax increases will happen, too. because maryland is a higher- income state, more money will come out of your pockets. >> also, more investment income. capital gains and dividend tax rates are also scheduled to rise. >> experts predict maryland will be in a recession by early next year if a solution is not agreed upon. the most recent state analysis estimates maryland could lose more than 53,000 jobs at the end of the fiscal year this coming june. >> the nation's highest court says it will decide whether police make connect -- may collect dna samples for people under arrest, which could have nationwide implications. the sup

in sports this morning some nsa near nastiness both on and off the track at sunday's race in arizona.tionally knocked clint bowyer into the wall. it happened in the pits. bowyer find out what's happening and he sprints in to the pit as well. he gets stopped outside of gordon's trailer. police officers had to guard outside. road rage. for real. when we come back from the yellow brick road to the auction block one of hollywood's most famous dress went to the highest bidder this weekend. shipping's a hassle. i'll go to the mall. hey. hi. you know, holiday shipping's easy with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service. if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. yea, i know. oh, you're good. good luck! priority mail flat rate boxes. online pricing starts at $5.15. only from the postal service. in some cities around the country. in washington partly sunny 67 degrees. mostly cloudy in atlanta 71. partly sunny in st. louis 48 trees. mostly sunny in denver 49. cloudy in seattle with showers 50 degrees. >>> police in southfield, michigan near detroit are tryin

of the nsa, general alexander, current head of the nsa, shawn hammett, former executive assistant director of the fbi, people will have seen this from a different perspective. they don't look nearly at the headlines that someone lost 50,000 names and passwords. what they have seen in their day to day life is threats on critical infrastructure, attacks on u.s. commercial states a military networks. they see it every single day. i have been talking about this while i was in the fbi for many years. you can look me up on things i have said for years, having no idea that i would move into this space. why would i move into the space? because there is a problem and needs to be fixed. i did not move into the space to try to promoted hoping i would make a dollar. i want people to understand this thread is absolutely real. host: next call is from boston, on the democratic line. caller: from the iranian perspective, i would like to remind you that it was the united states that fired the first shot when it launched a virus against a dangerous situation. perhaps you did not think they would respond. if

libya congressman dutch sits on the house committee which oversee the cia along with the nsa and fbi. >> people don't realize, there were two different attacks. >> two attacks, the first at the u.s. consulate then at a cia an exsome four file ace way. the question republicans have been asking why didn't the president come out and it a terrorist attack right away. >> now clearly believe did not arise out of demonstration, were not spontaneous and clear terrorist involvement. >> it was david petraeus who initially indicated the attack grew out of a protest then changed the story when he got more information. >> we need to deal what happened in benghazi. if somebody made a mistake, they need to be held accountable. that's important. but we have to move on. >> four americans including ambassador christopher stevens died in the attacks. the congressman said the hearings indicate to him that number could have been much higher. >> the state department called our intelligence committee and said we need help. they had about seven people who actually came to help them, and they were able to get

. >> so under direction from nsa, she and her colleagues in monterey created a new masters degree programficers.. >> a lot of classes are classified because there are secrets that need to be held so they don't fall into the hands of the enemis.. >> one goal of the new program to teach officers to think about operations strategicly same way in the air or on the ground or at sea. one tool is a computer game sim you'll yaigt threats and defensive measures.. >> here is a military type office. >> this associate showed us a simulator÷;e that is now being made available to other schools, too. >> this has a valuable secret on it students will learn to defend against malwear and in cases to build it we have classes on reverse engineering so that if we have a piece of malware, we're able to dissect it, take it apart and find what it did to us. l is a class called advance cyber munitions. it's a classified class. >> it's something the u.s. is in with discovery of a pair of kpurter viruss.. >> this is written we believe by the u.s. and or israel to go and damage centerfujs being used in iran to produ

and former nsa used it when communicating with a baltimore sun reporter. he is now a wall street journal reported. he was not sharing national security or sensitive information. he was trying to blow the whistle on massive waste in contrast given out by the nsa to well-connected corporations. i believe they used hush mail to keep their male private and it did not work. -- their mail private and it did not work. he was prosecuted. i do not know that much about hush mail. they keep the keys on their side, but they can lock within have unlocked. if you want to keep something private, use end to end in persian. host: we have one more call on our democrats -- if you want to keep something private, use end to end the encryption. host: we have time for one more call on out with democrats' line. caller: i believe that paula broadwell is a fall guy. there is more to the kelly story. guest: jill kelly appears to have had a long-running relationship -- not a sexual relationship -- with general john allen. it is not clear why the victim's correspondence was being look

there is some chemical reaction that turns us into nsa agents. and we will go after those we deem a threat which is apparently what happened here and i guarantee you she knows every pass word she nodes to know. women are better cia agents. no offense, mike baker. >> he says he was in the cia, but the way he dresses it is like, who can believe that? >> he is mad that i didn't go to him first. you were upset. >> i am not. i was laughing about the intro. i haven't actually heard the story introd before. what is your take on this? a, he made a serious, serious mistake. he owned up to it. i think part of the surprise is they are not used to seeing a high level washington official do the right thing after confessing to a mistake. in bill clinton's own words, a couple days before the election he was in an obama rail lee. he stood there and said, you know when i was younger and i was caught with my hand in the cookie jar, i just take my hand out of the cookie jar. we were being lectured about being honest. in his own words, he was caught with his hand in

. >> caller: well, being with the nsa, her background there. for c.i.a. head? i'm thinking she is -- an international expert but also it would diffuse the whole issue of the nomination for secretary of state, you know, all of this flak that has been targeted toward her. >> john: do you share the belief of many progressives that conservatives are fighting so hard against the susan rice nomination to -- to the state department because they want the job to go to john kerry because they want to have another senate seat in play. dahl that may be just a slight -- >> caller: that may be just a slight little fringe benefit. i think this would be happening irrespective of that. i've been feeling this ever since the petraeus affair bubbled up, i've been feeling that this void in the c.i.a. now where they're talking there's no major candidate out there. i'm just thinking -- i just feel there's something so dignified about her. that i think it would be -- it would shake up be the calcified community there. >> john: there is something dignified about condol

number two, nsa.ow when you say to people i want to put nsa in charge of all the public networks and let them look at your public information, it doesn't bring screams of joy, i don't know why. [laughter] but even worse from a corporate perspective is you say, okay, how about fbi? [laughter] >> did you they are laugh? >> i did. because, because most -- the problems that we have is you need to think of this, i think, through the lens of the general counsel. and so the general counsel's going to say pretty much -- dmitri did a pretty good job, am i going to want the fbi crawling all over my networks in and for the most part they're going to say, no. so the default is dhs, but people don't trust it. how do you change that? >> so if you fixed more money, and if you fixed kind of the chain of command, do you think the private sector would sign on to some kind of -- >> no. because i think you really need to focus this. and you tried toot it at the end -- to do it at the end with the bill. we don't need to r

the nsa did stuff really well. dod does really well, but now we cannot afford to operate separately, and having been in this business for the best part of three decades, i can tell you the three partnerships have been absolutely critical to each of our individual successes. we have to operate in a federated approach to live ensure that we secure cyber infrastructure. we have to support situational awareness. did they communicate with one another? did the policy makers -- did they talk to one another? i can assure you they are talking to one another, and they are talking pretty regularly. we have to rely on one another, because there is not infinite money and infinite opportunity to put the problems that in front of every agency. -- the problem set in front of every agency. we have to make sure what we share, how we share it, and when we share it is just in time. you cannot afford to have somebody find out information after the affect. the track record is pretty good for people actually sharing information. you have

. >> what started it was a general filtering system not by the fbi but probably by nsa which looks for any abuse or problem with use of government e-mails. >> right. i think the situation as we ascertained from everything this evening, the fbi was clearly investigating general petraeus. how that started has not been clearly found. what we then know happened is they had this information presumably for quite some time. for me one of the key questions is when did the white house get ahold of this information, and did they make a conscious decision for this not to be released to the media until after the election. i'll turn to barbara starr, if i may. >> piers, i think this is the key question in front of everybody. how extraordinary would it be that you have this type of fbi investigation into the cia director and the president is not informed about it? this seems to really beg disbelief at the moment. the word is circulating that the president was not aware, that only once petraeus came to him, but it really seems to beg belief that someone in the white house didn't know that the fbi did

we had to focus on on the intelligence side is we oversee the intelligence communities, the cia, the nsai, and we had to make sure there weren't any breaches or any problems as it related to national security. those are issues i really can't talk about and that matter is still being investigated. >> when it comes to resolution on this issue, senator john mccain has asked for a select committee. what do you think will draw a resolution, a conclusion to this issue? >> i think we have to let the fbi do their job. they're as good as any investigative agency in the world. they've done an outstanding job in investigations throughout the years. i think we have committees who do focus on their areas of expertise. as an example in the intelligence committee we focus on anything having to do with national security and the oversight of our intelligence communities. but you have other groups -- homeland security, you have other groups that might be focused on something that comes out as a result of this. the most important thing is we let the professionals do the job. we follow the facts and then we

we informed our partners -- dhs, fbi, nsa, we sit on all these policy boards so that we can all addressed the problem that is going to take us into the next century. as i said earlier, and i cannot say this enough, our best defense is going to be understanding the offense. as an intelligence organization we spend a lot of time in the offensive mode. we collect human intelligence. as we consider ways to address the threat in the 21st century, we have to also understand it is not all technology base. even out here you all have legislation that drives what you do every day. i would anticipate this year senator collins introduced a cyber security bill -- it was geared toward single owner of all things cyber. kind of hard when you have a couple million people working for the government. working through variations upon a theme, but i think in the end you will see legislation that addresses standards of operating performance, standards of protection, and how each agency does it will be very different but there will be a standard. like a common definition lexicon -- there will be standards. laws

. >> nsa not true. a constituency for it and there continues to be among both israelis and palestinians, they don't see their own government institutions or frankly our government institutions being able to get there. so if you want to fix it, what you have to do is deal with the legitimacy problem and the institution instead of saying let's go to final status negotiations tomorrow. >> there are also international efforts over the years. not just the idea that the u.s. is number one i think is the wrong approach with all due respect. because i think part of the problem of the states foreign policy. should be first among many. but if you don't build regional power and international security institutions it's very difficult to build a more peaceful world. there have been efforts like the quartet. the united states is not the only one who should be playing a role in the region. we're forgetting another thing. the tragedy is it seems to me, you have at this moment on the israeli political stage, one of the

an essay it up really well. -- nsa did stuff really well. we can afford to operate separately. the partnerships have been absolutely critical to each of our individual successes. we have to operate in a federated of registering the sicker -- secure our cyber and infrastructure. all of you probably heard after 9/11 and any time there is a crisis around the world, did they communicate with one another? did the policy leaders and an agency , did they talk to one another? i can assure you they are talking pretty regularly. you have to rely upon one another because there is not infinite money, people, and opportunity to put the problem set in front of every agency. if you put the problem set in front of them all and they all worked their peace, you get a better and products. we have to make sure that what we share, how we share it, and when we share it is just in time. you cannot afford to have somebody find out information after the fact. the track record is pretty good people actually sharing information. you also have to remember each of these agencies, in the director of nationa

verizon was helping nsa. in the course of trying to track the traffic come through the lines and providing the assistance. what happened? verizon was sued, $50 billion. for the telecoms, they got the assistance of congress with some indemnification, statutory protection. that doesn't exist, generally, for all companies, and particularly for companies in the offenses cyber operations arena. what about defense? many, many more companies are going to be involved in defending against cyber attacks, cyber terrorism. when a company feels a particular cyber defense solution, what happens when it fails? as mark discussed, the rs a breach, there in the security business. they had a breach. and failed. companies that are in this business are going to be a breach, they're going to technology that this but what is their protection? well, one would be the government contractor defense. except for the fact that it only applies under limited circumstances. for example, when the government specifies the requirements for the

the nsa did stuff really well. dod does really well, but now we cannot afford to operate separately, and having been in this business for the best part of three decades, i can tell you the three partnerships have been absolutely critical to each of our individual successes. we have to operate in a federated approach to live ensure that we secure cyber infrastructure. we have to support situational awareness. did they communicate with one another? did the policy makers -- did they talk to one another? i can assure you they are talking to one another, and they are talking pretty regularly. we have to rely on one another, because there is not infinite money and infinite opportunity to put the problems that in front of every agency. -- the problem set in front of every agency. we have to make sure what we share, how we share it, and when we share it is just in time. you cannot afford to have somebody find out information after the affect. the track record is pretty good for people actually sharing information. you have

verizon was helping nsa in the course of trying to track the traffic coming through the line and providing that assisted. what happened? for ricin was sued $50 billion. for the telecoms, date assistance of congress with some indemnification statutory protection. that doesn't exist generally for all companies and particularly in the offense is cyberoperations arena. what about defense? many, many more companies will be involved in defending against cyberattacks come a cyberterrorist cyberterrorism event. when a company build a particular cyberdefense solution, what happens when it fails? as mark discussed, the rsc reach, they are in the security business. they had to breach themselves. companies in this business are going to be breached. they're going to have technology that fails. what is their protection? one would be the government contractor defense except for the fact that it only applies under limited circumstances. for example, when the government specifies the requirements for the system such as a detailed level three drawing package for helicopter. generally are not going to have t

who i do not trust is the white house suits who apparently put a spin on the nsa's official briefs andnput on worldwide events. i believe the white house puts a political spin on everything that comes to the president, to the secretary of state. then to the american people. it was 9/11 when we had benghazi going down. that is a data i think the president would rather have nothing going down. apparently there was something going down. with petraeus, is it not ironic that he is now being the scrutinized over these extramarital affairs when he is about to testify in regards to what happened in benghazi. >>let's get a couple more comments on facebook and twitter. thank you for all of your calls. coming up next, congressman ron paul, a republican of texas set to retire. he will talk about that, the fiscal cliff, and the latest from benghazi. later on, bernie sanders will talk about entitlements and the fiscal cliff. we will be right back. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> truman was a vice president for 82 day

two why not this unit difficulty, we had each of us that nsa suppose he died of the words. >> soviets and struggles with his neighbors. it's interesting because he -- one of the most significant things about this book is when he was captured during the slave trade, he was actually older than many children. he was a teenager, so he renders africa and in his book amis describes his life in africa and his life here in america. that is actually a fairly unusual story not told very often and that's why scholars are so interested in this particular book. the fun part is he and his wife and children remain here and they are still there today. >> many of them didn't know their family history. >> until terry winters decided to dig into the interesting story. many of them had married and so were not visibly african-american in origin. >> let's get the album by grace coolidge that documented the family during their white house years and before. part of the coolidge family papers. we have one box that is just photographs and several boxes of other documents. photographs are heavy and the album sh

>> we don't know how that happened nsa mentioned, attempting to find that out our interviews with her numbers about the precise issue has not yielded definitive information. most state they don't recall. >> was at the problems of the 2006 consent decree meant that it requires necc to be independently audited, but then necc to have significant input into evaluator with the? dr. smith, jay necc participate in its independent auditor and evaluator? >> well, we have been reviewing the records to try to determine who did make the final decision regarding the independent evaluator and it's unclear from documents we found who do do that. >> it's common for a party to select its own evaluator? >> i can't speak to whether it was common. you can certainly imagine that would be problematic, but we haven't determined -- >> is it still the practice? >> currently i'm not aware of any current actions involving outside evaluators. as we proceed as i mentioned we really look at the best practices around other states for the board of pharmacy, said there would be the kind of thing you would include. >>

what we see at the time is to transfer the responsibility of nsa dumbness commodity producer for forgivenessreas and taken a step back. last summer there were five rifle companies inside the central district unassertive enabling security framework to be held together. at the end of the summer would now hand over full responsibility tonight at the precincts now. we been shut down with 60% of our basis or move them away out of that area onto the fringes. so what you see is very real afghan led security. we are no longer in the lead. >> what is the major challenges facing this process click >> i think it is understanding afghan intent and working to their timeline. they move very quickly and sometimes more slowly. it was more of a challenge properly getting into the mindset of enabling than a real challenges that make sense. >> the proof search string is 362,000. where are we at the moment? without the full strength. isn't it to hand over completely to the ansf some capabilities they simply will not have you they will not have their support and they won't have the helicopters. how do we assume

nsa said since then, they make more u-turns than a boston cab driver trying to get to the place where he was. when you look at the results of this election come you can try connect connection between policies president obama has led on a devoted support he got. if in the face republicans decide what they need to do is go back and do it even more conservative again, far be it for me to persuade them otherwise. we got another election in four years. i can levitate, but it wouldn't be wise. >> on the religion question i agree was blaise entry into. if you look at the polling of people less likely to vote for a candidate because they were more men, the majority of his people thought barack obama is a muslim who was born in canada country in kenya. it wasn't there to make it a negative, but it is true democrats did not make it an issue. >> some of the positions from me to turn the primaries really hurt specifically with regard to immigration reform. it is newt gingrich is that romney was the most conservative on that issue in any country where it is the fastest-growing bloc of voters, that

cantu does, but one i'm optimistic about nsa leak representative is one we can continue to push. >> oneof the things we've heard a lot today is education and training. the nfl and the pa had a great tool to address the question of the nfl youth football fund they read about a couple months ago getting funded at the tune of $25 million a year through 2006. funding got cut off. ever since funds have been drained. if it had been continued, funded at the level, you might have a kitty of a hundred 50 million vexed you could throw at it in every coach in the country trained, mandating, taken on my courses, maybe in person courses. i'm a president thinking, how do we bring more resources to this question? what's happening with the youth fund? is that going to get refunded? if not, will there be dollars to the issue of helping the pop warner's of the world get coaches educated are mandated? >> your premise is misstated. with the players association, we allocated a great deal of money to the football fund. one of the nfl's two charitable institutions for the purpose of promoting his football is

and lasting or three days, did obama sign or that they would eventually turn over the internet to the nsaand to the united nations? and -- >> guest: let me stop you there. so, so there's been discussion about an executive order being signed that might fill a void related to the legislation that has not yet been approved up on the hill. so this administration has put forth legislative proposals that would allow for better information sharing that would allow for harsher penalties for those who breached networks. .. >> my father was a new york city police detective for a long time, and he said if you robbed one bank, you'd probably get away with it. the guys that get caught are those who rob five banks, 15 banks, 20 banks. along the way, they make errors. it's in a similar way. if you get a broad understanding across a large data set, and you look at a volume of information or intelligence, you're able to really start to attribute what's happening, and when we talk about intelligence sharing, that's absolutely what occurs in that space. >> we had a second comment, go ahead. >> caller: okay.

transfer the responsibility of nsa dumbness commodity producer for forgiveness areas and taken a step back. last summer there were five rifle companies inside the central district unassertive enabling security framework to be held together. at the end of the summer would now hand over full responsibility tonight at the precincts now. we been shut down with 60% of our basis or move them away out of that area onto the fringes. so what you see is very real afghan led security. we are no longer in the lead. >> what is the major challenges facing this process click >> i think it is understanding afghan intent and working to their timeline. they move very quickly and sometimes more slowly. it was more of a challenge properly getting into the mindset of enabling than a real