nsa's first ever compliance director. john welcome to the program. >> thanks for having me on the show. >> so let's starlet out. i mean -- start out. i mean the stereotype is that the national security agency can spy on anybody it wants to spy on and can do anything that it wants but you guys are really in a delicate spot as an intelligence agency who has to cope with this issue daily. why was your job created and how do you make sure that nsa stays in line with all personal privacy regulations as they exist? >> great. first i think it's important to define what compliance is. lots of different ways. i like to think about it as bringing rules the life. and so -- to life. and so nsa as a federal agency is very heavily regulated. right? subject to specific authorizations. and so compliance is about bringing those rules to life. those rules are designed externally right and so what we really try to do is take the rules, our operations, our technology and make sure these are all aligned constantly right? every single day thro

if you want nsa to keep you safe, i'm not talking about domestic networks.re's no such thing as domestic networks. >> this is precisely the problem. i'm sorry, we're getting towards the end of our evening. one must question. >> greetings. my name is katie and my father served with the agency for about 30 years and i myself as a peace corps volunteer in west africa in bali, a country none of us had heard of until recently. so i guess my question has to do with a conversation i had with it fellow peace corps volunteer who served in africa and some of us in the army and fear his that would be called to serve this on the ground in west africa. what is your assessment of the al qaeda and other threats in west africa and what should the u.s. will be given the history of somalia and all of that debacle? >> i want to take advantage of your question. it is a relevant point, basically broader point. so us-made drugs. you asked me about one time. i mean, that is dealing with people who are arty convinced they want to come do you harm. that is so we would call a close f

you know what nsa does. you know what homeland security is supposed to do. tell us where you see the cia in this. >> well, first of all, the cyber threat this country faces is one of the most insidious to our national security and one that i think our government as a whole and this body, the congress, really needs to be focused on and do everything possible to prevent a devastating attack against this country because of the vulnerabilities in the cyber front. cia's traditional mission on the collection front is to try to determine the plans and intentions of foreign governments, foreign groups, national groups, and others. learning about those plans and intentions and the development of capabilities in the cyber world is something that cia i think is best placed to do so that we have an understanding of what foreign countries are doing, what organized criminal organizations are doing, what national groups are doing and the nature of the threat to us. then, in addition, the analysts at cia can take that information working with the rest of the community to ma

the head of the nsa continue to spend billions of dollars on a program that failed. these people in developing prosecuted. they were prosecuted for this. -- these people ended up being prosecuted. they were prosecuted for this. this goes back to waste in the government. every time you open your program, you need to play the speech from eisenhower. beware of the military industrial complex. host: final thought from you, rob margetta. guest: lloyd brings up the issue again of waste. i do not think anyone in the government would contest the idea that there is waste. there are areas for efficiencies. efficiencies.

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you ran the cia and the nsa. what would be your response to them? >> i'd freely admit that all nations conduct espionage, but some nations, nations like ours self-limit. we sell other nation's secrets to keep americans safe and free. we don't do it to make americans rich or to make american industry profitable and what the chinese are doing is industrial espionage, trade secrets, negotiating positions, stealing that kind of information on an unprecedented scale for chinese economic advantage. that's why i think our response should be in the economic zone. we need to make chinese cyberbehavior part of the overall portfolio of american relations and we need to begin to exact a price on the chinese in the economic sphere for what it is they're doing to us. >>> when we come back, we'll talk to this panel about torture. does it work? did it get osama bin laden? i think there are some people here who know the answers, when we come back. ree times the coverage. [ manager 2 ] it's like working in a giant sandbox. with all these huge toys. and with the faste

. >> i think to a degree there's no question the nsa collects intelligence through cyber spying and that i've been told that 75% of what ends up in the whitehouse national intelligence briefing every day comes from our own cyber spy. >> rose: 75%, 75%. the briefing given by the president every morning comes from cyber spying. >> we did it under particular conditions we're outside the united states and in people's computers. if you talk to mike hagel he'll say this is a problem for us. he can go to china and say stop your spying. we do it too. we don target economic entities. we don't target corporations and not stealing the economic research of dupont or intel. we do what they consider traditional spying. the chinese don't and that's a distinction we make. whether china sees it that way or not is an entirely different question. >> rose: how do they know we make that distinction. >> i think there are set of laws under which nsa operates and those laws make it relatively clear the kinds of targets that you have. but if you think about it, we also don't have the system. if we were to take f

nsa where weather ripping through the south is causing major damage in parts of mississippi. a tornado is being blamed for property damage and at least three injuries in hattiesburg. a tornado watch is in effect for three states and as far south as new orleans. >> the northeast is beginning to recover from a record-sitting storm that paralyzed several states. the snowstorm, which was spawned by two converging weather systems, is blamed for 11 deaths in three states and canada. more than 250,000 homes and businesses remain without power. and take a look. new york's long island expressway was closed today for snow removal work. the storm started friday night and dumped up to 40 inches of snow. >> as far as you can see snow, and nobody is getting out. >> it's horrible. didn't come until this morning and when you shovel your i driveway, the plows come and put the snow back on the driveway. >> airlines were operating on close to normal schedules today after days of cancellations. sfo reports some weather delays for flights arriving from chicago and minneapolis. >>> san francisco i

this is going to hurt a lot of moms and dads in our region who work in places like nih and nsa. >> reporter: they met with president obama at the white house today. there was criticism of congress and the president. >> they need to get out of that box that sits under the dome and understand that this has real implications in people's lives. >> the president needs to stop trying to scare the american people. i think all of us are calling on congress to come together to solve this problem and do it in a way where we can compromise to save jobs and keep our economy moving forward. >> reporter: the pat offered no assurances that the cuts will be avoided. now back to you. >> and the president is urging governors to lobby members of congress. >>> thousands of baltimore families descend on annapolis tonight rallying for improvements to city schools. they're pushing for a multi- billion dollar construction plan to fix crumbling classrooms. >> reporter: supporters say city schools need funding now. a few thousand students, city leaders,, anden concerned citizens rallied. they are advocates for balti

so for example, the nsa and the fbi, myself, general alexander for the nsa. bobuller for the fbi, myself, met with a particular group of executives that have major roles in the so-called isps, the internet service providers. what they could possibly do. we've met with leaders in private industry in terms of the core critical infrastructure of the country as to what they can possibly do. >> have cyberthreats moved to a new level so that when you're being bried on people w arectuly tingo physically attack the united states, this is also a standard part of what you're told about people who threaten the nation? >> yes. i receive information about cyberactors or people using cybernetworks on a daily basis. and as i said, we receive thousands of reports that come into us from private industry every year. >> suarez: is that a new kind of war? if you are not trying to blow something up or kill aricans, but you're trying to steal a wing that took years to develop from a private heir space manufacturer, trying to steal a program that took years and a lot of investment

the government is being moved out of nsa issue. all of them have to do it this issue. there has been a long series of efforts to move the issue forward and make it front and center. >> one more question from our guest. >> if the legislation passes, we have seen discussion of antivirus software. how is this in terms of improving security? what steps would improve the security for u.s. organizations? >> when you look at it across the board, all companies need to have a robust set of cybersecurity practices in place no matter what industry they are in. you need to have updated antivirus software. you need to have that. that will not catch everything. you need to know what is on your network and who is on your network. make sure you can watch your network and know when information is entering or leaving your network. i think that things that would make the most difference now is for companies to make sure that they are employing the best practices in the industry and going after those basic kinds of cybersecurity to really raise the bar ar. the next thing we need to do is

. >> general michael hayden, a man who has run the cia and the nsa says the chinese are intent on buildingnomic empire by stealing american trade secrets. >> this is stealing american wealth. it's stealing american jobs. it's stealing american competitive advantage. >> is the threat growing? >> yes. it -- it grows daily and what we're really fearing is these advanced persistent threats. >> the advanced persistent threat is the guy that comes every day, in china, reports to work and sits in that network. >> undetected and extracting information. >> in a new report released this week the cyber security firm mandiant pinpointed where some of the most sophisticated hackers in china are working, in or around this building, a chinese military unit's headquarters on the outskirts of shanghai. this elite group of hackers has been dubbed the shanghai group. they've struck 141 times since 2006 across all sectors of the u.s. economy. this is the first time such a group has been tracked right to the doorstep of the people's liberation army. the shanghai group is not the first to be accused of cyber th

story of the "lord of the rings," here is one example of this that key actors, i've mentioned a few nsa complex story, so bear with me as they bring in more of them. if you look at a character like frodo, the ring bearer, he is looking at the world around him and don't notice he can introduce multiple theories of a single character. he has to come up with an idea about what this world is all about. is it about black and white, good and evil. he must construct the world and as he grew up in this very idealistic throwback to early modern england, his pastoral place called the shire. there's no ugly as she marry or industry must reconstruct is here because here is his initial view until he begins to have his adventures and gets involved in the "lord of the rings" story. who cares about that. it doesn't concern us here in the shire. many of us call that a construction that isolationism or as he begins to construct a more liberal, cooperative worldview as then i must join with this fellowship because even though we hobbits, we creatures who live in our sample shire would like to stay there a

on the government moving out of the nsa issue into all of the federal agencies and separate these -- deputy secretaries dealing with this issue so when you talk about specific strategies that is one more building block in a long series of efforts the administration has been doing to move this issue forward and put it more in front. >> host: michael one more question. >> guest: cybersecurity has questioned the efficacy of cybersecurity for passes and also we have seen discussion of antivirus software. how effective is the antivirus software in legislation in terms of improving security and what steps you think would best improve the security for u.s. organizations? >> guest: when you look at it across-the-board obviously all companies really need to have a robust set of cybersecurity practices in place no matter what industry they are in. really, ginnie to have updated antivirus software. that's not going to catch everything. you need to know what's on your network and you need to have good access is to know who is on your network. you need to make sure that you can watch your network

but today, we had the honor of going to be nsa in bethesda.y has become a priority for men and women and some of the redskins were there. this is their off-season, i think. what off-season? fletcher was in midseason form. today it was put your versus his redskins teammate in a game of financial football. >> i tried to pull rank. he should have been playing the cowboys. >> but the 15-year veteran was a good sport. the purpose of the game? to belt military families learn how best to manage their money -- to help military families learn how best to manage the money. >> but will fletcher be playing football next season? >> i will ee entertain financial opera's. >> he has never missed a game, making it 240 straight. will he make it 241 next september? >> i have done this for the next five years. your career, you have to evaluate. >> he is a good part of the team. i love him. his locker is right next to mine. >> the redskins won with a field goal. >> i wanted to challenge it, but i guess i am not allowed to challenge it. >> as time ran out -- has ti

on the government it's moving out of just being, you know, thought of ans nsa issue into all of the federal issues and secretaries and tenty secretaries -- deputy secretaries having to deal with this issue. so i think when you talk about that specific strategy, that's just one more building block in a long series of efforts that this administration has been doing to move this issue forward and put it more front and center. >> host: time for one more question, mr. nagesh. >> cybersecurity experts have questioned the efficacy of legislation if it passes. also we've seen some discussion of antivirus software. what -- how effective is the antivirus software legislation in terms of improving security, and what steps do you think would best improve the security for u.s. organizations? >> guest: i think that when you look at it across the board, obviously, you know, all companies really need to have a robust set of cybersecurity practices in place no matter, um, you know, no matter what industry they're in. really you need to have updated antivirus software. you've got to have that. that's not goi

president obama has kept his promise to increase the size of the nsa budget, but as we all know, the president can only request funds. only the congress can authorize and appropriate. speaking of president obama, that may say that the american people have a president who is truly animated and engaged on the importance of our nuclear posture to the united states and international security. as we heard last week, president obama continues to make nuclear security and progress towards his agenda a priority. but the domestic agenda in his second term will be jampacked. his political capital is 30 stretched thin. does that mean we accept other national priorities may crowd out the attention for modernization, infrastructure investments and other things important to the complex? i hope not. with the presidential agenda, we the nuclear defense need to help shape the debate rather than assume the president alone cannot will expend political capital necessary to move our agenda forward. so what are some ideas for going forward jan new start, not that i don't have to be the one to lament the p

we cannot build every agency and its own nsa and so forth. our critical infrastructure, which has huge implications, is largely a, owned and operated by the private sector. no one is talking about sharing -- about changing that. what is being done about is can we create a legal framework whereby the department of defense can provide or share best practices tools, assist private sector holders of critical infrastructure to up their game in terms of defenses, because of the incredible intrusion that we are experiencing and the real threat that those could be used in an act of war. this is a really tough area. i agree we have to think through it very carefully in terms of appropriate constraints, oversight, protection for privacy, and so forth. but i think we are kidding ourselves if we print that we're going to multiplied the kind of capability we have at nsa, many times over shows the government or economy has its own. we have to build a national resource and then create a very sophisticated legal and oversight framework to make sure that reso

what are guys seeing at the nsa at the sites we are trying to defend against?from a private industry standpoint there are thousands of ips depts taking place each day. you put up network at any given point it will get, somebody will try to break in to it. low-grade hackers in some places but others is high-end. >> bret: what do private companys need to do? say outside the government. >> they need to look at the open security posture. raise their open investment for their own security postur posture. particularly for medium companies, security from network standpoint is not looked at. look at security and take it seriously. then read papers like what is put out recently. >> bret: the president signed a directive to share information. congress has not managed to act fully on a comprehensive bill as you know. it seems like it stalled over privacy concerns. are you concerned? >> from a private sector perspective a lot of the different security issues can be handleed in-house with the open organization. >> bret: thank you. >> thank you. >> bret: up next, he has wast

the 2007 between homeland security secretary, director of national intelligence and the head of the nsa president bush, he authorized a comprehensive national cyber security initiative. and that initiative was subsequently picked up and advanced by the current administration. >> given congress' failure to act, the exective order is scene as a stopgap measure. in the rush to prevent a cyber 9/11, critics question whether americans will unnecessarily forfeit basic privacy protection. bret? >> bret: thank you. now in headlines overseas. rebels are battling government sources for control of the military base, protecting the main airport in aleppo, syria. activists report other flashes outside damascus, including the regime airstrike on suburbs. local officials say nato airstrike killed ten civilians including five children. reuters reports four taliban fighters also died there. president hamid karzai condemned that attack. nato is saying they are aware of the report of the civilian casualties but can't confirm them. many of the me and women who fought the nation's war have another battle on

we know what nsa does, we know what homeland security's supposed to do. tell us where you see the c.i.a. >> first of all the cyber threat this country faced is one of the most consequential to national security and our government as a whole and congress needs to be focused on and do everything possible to prevent a devastating attack against this country because of vulnerability on the cyberfront. c.i.a.'s mission on the collection front is to determine the plans and intentions of foreign governments, foreign groups, sub national groups and others. learning about the plans and intentions and developing capabilities in the cyberworld is something c.i.a. is best place to do so we have an understanding of what foreign countries are doing, what organization criminal organizations are doing, sub national groups and the nature of the threat to us. then in addition, the analysts at c.i.a. can take that information and make sure policymakers have a good sense of the threat and potential met gas station strategies and working with the department of homeland securi

from drone strikes he first targeted killing to nsa wiretapping, both presidents bush and obama have found themselves tiptoeing the line protecting our country and violating civil liberties in the war on terror. which president has gone farther? here are the it typical responses from bay area residents when we posed that question monday. >> i would say george w. bush. i'm not 100% pleased with president obama's record on civil liberties. >> under the name of homeland security. now that was started in bush but now obama was so much better, would he not change? of course not. >> reporter: the type of tepid response displayed for both presidents is reflecting the latest national polling. according to a recent study conducted by the hill, 37% of voters argue president obama has been worse than president bush in balancing civil liberties and national security. with 15% rating him about the same. and the reality is they're right. civil liberties have not become more protected under president obama. despite banning certain interrogation techniques deemed to be torturous like waterboarding a

>>eneral michael hayden, a man who has run the cia and the nsa says the chinese are intent on buildingnomic empire by stealing american trade secrets. >> this is stealing american wealth. it's stealing american jobs. it's stealing american competitive advantage. >> is the threat growing? >> yes. it -- it grows daily and what we're really fearing is these advanced persistent threats. >> the advanced persistent threat is the guy that comes every day, in china, reports to work and sits in that network. >> undetected and extracting information. >> in a new report released this week the cyber security firm mandiant pinpointed where some of the most sophisticated hackers in china are working, in or around this building, a chinese military unit's headquarters on the outskirts of shanghai. this elite group of hackers has been dubbed the shanghai group. they've struck 141 times since 2006 across all sectors of the u.s. economy. this is the first time such a group has been tracked right to the doorstep of the people's liberation army. the shanghai group is not the first to be accused of cyber th

. >> is the nsa listening in on us? >> no. why would they do that? >> we are not interesting to them. we may not be interesting to everyone in the room, i don't know. >> do we still need spice? >> yeah. >> we have this thing called google. i saw an image today of a secret drone base that maybe is flying drones into yes, ma'am minute. i know you want to comment than too. we can get images from virtually any place on the planet. >> back to my point you remember the slice that has to be slole season smaller than it used to be. i'm old enough to remember when we were doing image frs space it was so complicated and so expensive that only two nations could do it and only one could do it really well. now if i'm tired and can't sleep tonight and go home. i can go downstairs and pull up imagery of north korea and watch the missile being stacked there and to a degree of resolution that allows me to tell you how far away they might be. >> that used to be annual owned by you? >> yeah. i'm lookth ging at the audience, there are some old enough to remember the fir

director of the in the state or csa -- let me tell you a sentence i never heard as the director of the nsa or cia -- this is bad, but we can make this work. i could document a lot of conversations that were way on the other side. i think it might be part of the national consciousness, a moral struggle for some citizens or certain part of the national political culture that they are now trying to deal with not that we did it, but they did not mind it. they did not mind it at the time. or they did not mind it strong enough to say that's not overreact, let's be really careful. let me give you the intelligence officers on that, and i will tell you this is winding before i do it. we're off took off and put into a situation where we are accused of not doing enough to help people who are in danger. and as soon as we have made people feel safe again, we are accused of doing too much. i realize that is winding and not everybody will share that, but every now and again, and a self pity moment, i'll allow myself that thought. [laughter] >> a discussion on the cia use of enhanced interrogation techniq

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