last year, the nsa director was at a conference and he was asked about the nsa surveillance of america. he replied, "the story that we have millions or hundreds of millions dossiers on people is completely false." having served on the committee now for a dozen years, i don't really know what a dossier is in this context. so what i wanted to see, if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect but not willingly. >> i have additional questions to give you in writing. i thank you for your answer. tojust to answer -- just follow on his questions, we keep talking about al qaeda. but my impression -- we have to realize that it only takes four or five people these days to mount some kind of a threat. is there a danger that we are so focused on al qaeda that we will miss a second cousin of al qaeda that arises in brazil or someplace that constitutes a serious threat? >> i don't think

>> first, in the case of nsa and cia, there are strictures against tracking american citizens in the united states for foreign intelligence purposes. i think i may ask director

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to me, that is going to be a better question for, you know, dod or nsa to deal with.i mean, the way you phrased it, the sort of intuitive answer would be it sounds like it, but i would need to know a lot more about what the circumstances are and why it's done. but typically that wouldn't be, um, you know, again, it depends on the facts, but it wouldn't typically fall into the fbi lane or, certainly, my lane. >> this is alan -- [inaudible] from the small local paper. [laughter] >> [inaudible] [laughter] >> i have a couple of questions on going dark. is if citizen the issue is -- if the issue is there, and you're talking about realtime information, right? >> theart (so you're saying there's an issue with things like g mail? providers are unable to give you a technical solution allowing realtime access to gmail accounts? >> so what i was discussing was what's covered by calea, the 1994 statute. i'm not going to get into what we can or cannot do with respect to particular providers today for the reasons i stated. but i was discussing, and that is a good example of somethi

the nsa and the a lot of time is being spent organizing ourselves even as we work with the time was on revisiting cyber security legislation. >> the international herald tribune says you are trying to hire 600 hackers. is that true? >> hackers for good. not just hackers. our immediate needs are 600 more than we currently have. we are in that process now. immigration and all the attendant issues. as you know, one of the major changes we made during dhs 2.0 was to prioritize immigration enforcement and to focus on those who have violated criminal laws in addition to the immigration laws, who were repeat violators, or whom we call right at the border before they got into the interior of the country. as we move to hike by artists, we started looking at things that are low priority -- as we moved to high priority, we started looking at things that are low priority. the stir in action on qualified young people who would -- deferring action on qualified young people. we call it be deferred action on childhood arrivals program. common toe things in the dream act. it does not provide a pathway

we'd like to have the same hiring flexibility for those in the cyber realm that the nsa has. they are able to make different kinds of offers and hiring packages then you would if you follow normal civil service rules. that has to be done by statute three at next -- statute area did >> i am delighted the president signed that order. implicit in the order were a couple of problematic observations. the notion that the private sector has not invested to protect our critical infrastructure. all three of us have worked with the private sector. they have invested billions of dollars. the second thing, there are some good things, a lot of good things, but the notion that in 2013 the president has to sign an executive order compelling the federal government to share unclassified information when it is directed to a specific target it makes me wonder, where have we been for the past 10 years ? and began from the sharing of information. homeland security is a consumer of information. now, 20 years after we began using the internet, we have a president who says you are allowed to share u

we'd like to have the same hiring flexibility for those in the cyber realm that the nsa has. they are able to make different kinds of offers and hiring packages then you would if you follow normal civil service rules. that has to be done by statute three at next -- statute area did >> i am delighted the president signed that order. implicit in the order were a couple of problematic observations. the notion that the private sector has not invested to protect our critical infrastructure. all three of us have worked with the private sector. they have invested billions of dollars. the second thing, there are some good things, a lot of good things, but the notion that in 2013 the president has to sign an executive order compelling the federal government to share unclassified information when it is directed to a specific target -- it makes me wonder, where have we been for the past 10 years ? and began from the sharing of information. homeland security is a consumer of information. now, 20 years after we began using the internet, we have a president who says you are allowed to shar

as i understand it now, the cia, nsa, intelligence agency, they can go right into the banks themselvesst, you need to understand the scope of information that is provided by banks is far larger than most people think. because banks overcomply here, and it's going to provide access to the fbi to basically all law enforcement agencies now, which includes the cia, nsa, so many others, but also, larry, what is indisclosed. my concern that this information can be shared not just with law enforcement agencies here in the country, but your personal records can be exposed worldwide and people can be falsely accused of being involved in some kind of terrorism scheme without ever being afforded their due process rights. >> any limits to this at all, mr. abbott? any limitations to this as far as we know? >> you are hitting the nail on the head about one of my concerns, which there seems to be an erosion of any limitations on this, and that's the biggest question. there used to be a gate keeper here, larry. what is being proposed is the removal of the gate keeper so you would have reduced limitati

and nsa and let them do what they mean fighting terrorists. frankly. governmental is probably doing it. >> look what happened to elliot spitzer. i feel so bad the attorney general of new york came up with all these ridiculous cases, some good ones. he did money transfers to house of ill repute and was caught infamous client, a prostitute. there is so much they can do already. >> i have no issues of privacy at all. >> there is no problem, why don't we have hearings. >> neil: i think dagen hit the nail on the head. that is the problem we have given up any expectation of privacy. if something goes amiss our whole life is an open book. >> well, i don't disagree with charlie. we should have hearings and do it well. if i had to choose between this and water boarding, would choose this in a heartbeat. >> neil: it depends on who is being waterboarded. >> you are saying what, all of a sudden that would compel you to what? >> i'm saying that one violates our principles and the other is prudent law enforcement as long as it is done well. >> neil: you used to rip

last year, the nsa director was at a conference and he was asked about the nsa surveillance of america. he replied, "the story that we have millions or hundreds of millions dossiers on people is completely false." having served on the committee now for a dozen years, i don't really know what a dossier is in this context. so what i wanted to see, if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect but not willingly. >> i have additional questions to give you in writing. i thank you for your answer. >> just to answer -- just to follow on his questions, we keep talking about al qaeda. but my impression -- we have to realize that it only takes four or five people these days to mount some kind of a threat. is there a danger that we are so focused on al qaeda that we will miss a second cousin of al qaeda that arises in brazil or someplace that constitutes a serious threat? >> i don't th

>> first, general kehler has led a series of meetings on the nsa side and to look out vulnerabilities and address those. i will tell you that they have done a great job over the last six months in doing that. and i think that that has moved in the right direction and reached the conclusioconclusio n that the general gist day. i would also add that our infrastructure, it is one of the sources of concern. we can have independent routes, but it complicates our missions. and it gets back to the cyberrealm of how the government and industry work together to ensure the viability of those portions of our critical of the structure. >> general alexander, there is a real theft going on in our business strategies and intellectual property, by china, and the question is, -- i guess the real question is whether intelligence community can determine what companies in china may be receiving that intellectual property to compete against u.s. firms? >> i would say that the intelligence community has increased this significantly over the last seven years and i can give you specific examples in a classif

so why would the nsa tell me that we can't change the law. instead, we are going to violate it. and we will just make it legal later, which is precisely what happens. eventually this came out. and it is a violation of our system of justice. using ex post facto law to make the legal what was illegal. cooperating at a very deep level, providing unity. an expanding that in 2008 with an amendment. which just becomes a rubber stamp. read section 702. in the barn door. >> we have several questions on wiki leaks. what are your thoughts on this? what do you think of the information he released. what do you think of the methods that used to relieve some? >> i will say it again here. i have said it before. he was a whistleblower and it took courage to do what he did. there are all kinds of other mischaracterizations. including a characterization. government has to avoid the message. people have discussed differences of opinion, classified or unclassified was. the fact remains that he was a whistleblower. he he was witness to evidence of war crimes, and that is a fact. he was a witness to

by the same token, we're doing much better in terms of our cooperation and collaboration with nsa, dhs, and the private sector. there is much more to be done. sequestration will hamper that. again, under budget constraints, one has to prioritize. >> a quick follow-up, can you give us any recent examples of where your agent or personnel in the cyber division have taken down or possibly thwarted a cyber attack that may or may not have been reported in the public domain? >> i can tell you that there have been news reports recently, a number of denial of service attacks on banks. we have been working closely with the banks on those attacks. we had a case a couple of years ago which we were able to put a stop to, and enterprise utilizing networked to undertake a tax -- networks to undertake a tax. -- attacks. we have done a number of things in conjunction with the secret service, nsa, because many cyber attacks originate from overseas. those have been successful. the one point i would make is that we tend to think and discuss in the beltway about protecting our networks from attacks, forget

rework of the nsa, the fbi.the implementation moving forward, there are certain things that cannot be done by executive order. one example, we would like to have the same hiring flexibility for those in the cyber round at the nsa has were terrible to make different kinds of offers and hiring packages that you would if you just follow the normal civil service rules. that would be helpful i must be done by statute. >> anytime the issue of seven security is raised at the presidential level it is a very good thing and i am delighted he signed an order. implicit in the order, however, were a couple of problematic observations. one is the notion that the private sector has not invested to protect our critical of infrastructure, and as a list of work with the infrastructure have others said they have invested billions and billions. the 2-found, of good things, but the notion in 2013 the president of the united states help to sign an executive order compelling the federal government to share unclassified information whe

there was an nsa director and it was right at the time that the wall fell in berlin and all kinds of new thinking about things. and he said we ought to have the ceremony. we won the cold war and started a completely new agency from scratch. he was pointing to the same thing. bureaucracy kind of finesses themselves and so forth. >> how quickly after the war did operations research enter the industry? >> it was very quickly decided that there would be this product. it was very much focused on civilian problems and everything from scheduling firefighters, work shifts, water flows, to problems of managing bottlenecks and we were aware of the larger possibilities. >> we are going to have scientific socialism. of course it did not work out that way. the economy is vastly more complex than that in the war against the u-boats, everyone agreed with the measure was. how many merchant ships to save and how many sunk. it depends on your political views. certainly in terms of a discipline could be applied very quickly. >> the reason i ask is is one i work in 1953, what i was doing was time and mo

we work with the nsa, the fbi, but implementation is moving forward.here are certain things that cannot be done by executive order. i will give you one example -- we would like to have the same hiring flexibility for those in the cyber realm that the nsa has, where they are able to make different kinds of offers and hiring packages then you would if you are just following the normal civil service rules. that would be helpful to us. that has to be done by statute. >> i think any time the whole issue of cyber security is raised at the presidential level, it is a very good thing. i am delighted the president signed the order. implicit in the order, however, were a couple of problematic observations -- one, there is a notion that the private sector has not invested to protect our critical infrastructure. all three of us who have worked in the private sector understand they have invested billions of dollars. the second thing i found in that order -- there are some good things in standards and technologies -- the notion that in 2013 the president of the unit

i hope that the president has been seen as of late both the nsa intelligence reports as follows untilisraeli intelligence reports and has come to the conclusion that they are a serious threat. if you read between the lines the sounds as if he is given the green light to attack whenever they deem necessary. that is the hopeful. the cynical, says something else based upon the past four years of the attitude that the president has taken toward israel and mr. netanyahu in particular, he is killing mr. netanyahu with kindness, winning the hearts and minds of the israelis, the israeli people and will make a push very hard for peace that probably won't be a very good deal for the israelis. it is troubling because i just don't know what caused the change of heart. the cynical me is probably the more -- the feeling that is stronger in this will in the pad for israel. lou: do you agree? >> well, i am in washington. i only need the cynical. the other is largely in this use for the president. in no way, cynically speaking, this was the last campaign stop of the 2012 campaign in a lot of ways. thi

corrective actions were taken by the nsa and doe.it is focused on the broader implications of the incident including organizational leadership that enabled it to occur i am deeply concerned that we have been identifying the same problems for more than a decade. the advisory board said it has a security at its worst. highlighting a string of recurring security problems in 1990, it was described as a diff dysfunctional bureaucracy that is incapable of reforming itself. a few years after congress created this, in an effort to address these concerns, another study by the commission on science and security from the same problem. an independent study of security conducted by the admiral made very similar findings many continued to exist because the lack of excessive bureaucracy and organizational stovepipes. lack of collaboration is cumbersome. the exact same fundamental problems are occurring. there is also a problem of accountability is the exact opposite of the problem in 2007 and 2008. the demonstration of accountability with seniormos

nsa, there are some things. there is essential and nonessential.that in washington having been on my own for many years. one guy is nonessential. the other is essential. they do the same job. >> greg: exactly. you get rid of the -- why can't you furlough nonessentials? >> eric: i think you can. it's who you know. it's employment. if you know somebody, you will become essential. can i ask you something? does anyone have a problem with 800,000 defense department employees that are furloughed? 800,000 people working in the defense department? >> bob: i thought you said it wasn't serious. >> eric: what are you talking about? 800,000 is a maliceive room to cut spending. >> kimberly: saying surplus. >> andrea: i'm sure you are right there is waste in the t.o.d. but obama administration think nonessentials at the department of defense or the military. i think the government didn't shut down yesterday. they let a nonessential go. they think every job is essential. if you have a guy picking his nose, they think that is good because they think spending money

it's a very interesting question, and years ago i was talking to general bill odom who had been the nsa director. and it was right at the time the berlin wall fell and all kinds of, you know, new thinking about things. and he said, you know, he said we ought to have the ceremony, run down the flag in front of the cia, say we won the cold war, we're abolishing the cia and start a completely new agency from scratch because, you know, he was of pointing to the same thing. we've lost something when, i mean, pure rock says, you know -- bureaucracies, you know, become complacent. >> how quickly after the war did operations research move into industry? >> oh, yeah. very quickly. it's interesting, phil morse who headed the u.s. anti-sub/o.r. effort very quickly decided we're going to establish a program at mit. and i think it was the mid '50s this had begun, they had students, they had founded the operations research society of america which was very much focused on civilian problems, you know, everything from schedule -- excuse me, scheduling firefighters' work shifts to water flows on dams to

first, general kehler has had a series working with both the nsa site and cyber command say to that of vulnerabilities and addresses. i would tell you they've done a great job in doing that and i think that's moved in the right direction and the conclusion general kehler just gave. i would also add that our infrastructure, a power in the communications grid are one of the things that is a source of concern. how you maintain. we can go to back up generators and have independent rows, but i can't decay significantly our mission said it gets back to the saber around for how the government and industry work together to ensure the viability of those key portions of our critical infrastructure. >> general alexander, who's a real that's going on over at tech elegy and business strategies, intellectual property is by china particularly, not exclusively, but the question is, what is it going to take to stop the this? i will reserve that for later face time. the real question i want to focus on right now is whether the intelligence community can determine not only which chinese government organi

we have a tool nsa said, the appropriate type of residences.i'm quite sure that most people combat will tell your friend you have to go to haiti to see would have been 200 years ago and how that changed including the united states. >> i think we have time for one last question so we can get to the presentation into a three minutes. >> you mentioned a baby in bits. i'm wondering if you spot any good come out of the contract is post-earthquake? >> on an individual level, if you are cursed with lost everything in the earthquake and you're struggling and you don't i make it from day to day and you're able to receive some thing, it's appreciated and can be a good thing. tarps and tents were referred to as the symbol for a failure, but they do not themselves were better than dixon bedsheets people reliving them your immediately after. if we were talking about three years later it would certainly be a worse situation. there are other bigger things to talk about. one thing was medical aid provided. it saved the lives indisputably. people receiving heal

this comes one day after the head of the nsa and u.s.yber command testified about the growing threat of cyber attacks. he said that his cyber command will create 13 new offensive teams by the end of 2013. a very important story for wall street specifically here at the white house today. >> thank you so much. how can we stop these hack attacks? it gets more serious every day. he was special assistant to the president of homeland security in the bush administration. the key question is what has to happen to catch these guys and what kind of punishment would be a disincentive to these hackers? >> that's a great question and it's great to be back. not all hacks are the same nor are all hackers the same. the spectrum ranges from nation states such as china, russia, the government of iran and its proxies all the way down to a kid operating out of his own basement in his home. we don't have the tools and instruments we need to address all of the issues. at the end of the day we're never going to simply fire wall his way out of the problem. you

to me, that is going to be a better question for, you know, dod or nsa to deal with. the way you phrase it, the sort of intuitive answer would be it sounds like it, but i would need to know a lot more what the circumstanceses are and why it's done. but typically that wouldn't be, you know, depends on the facts. it wouldn't typically fall to the fbi lane or certainly mine. >> this is dialynn from a small, local paper. [laughter] [inaudible] i have a couple of questions -- the issue is there. in talking about real time information -- [inaudible] what is covered by 1994 statute, i'm not going get in to what we can or cannot do with with respect to particular providers today for the reasons i stated. but i was discussing and that is a good example of something that is not covered by the 1994 statute. >> this is to let people -- [inaudible] for those that -- [inaudible] right. >> what is the followup though? [inaudible] people think the fbi may not be a total team player. it's in the interagency process. what it means, until it's out, we don't really talk about the specifi

>> we have had a long-term partnership the security regime was actually cut developed with the nsa.nd so we build military grade security into our products which just comes for free along with our products, so we continue to work with relationships like that to make sure that we are able to deliver relief military class security for all of our customers. liz: dr. rutter government business. the sequester as somewhat of a long tail, taking awhile to solve its way through the system. what are you doing to assure shareholders that the sequester won't eventually buy it red hat and that certain government offices cut down on their open source clinics, the stuff that they buy from you guys. >> well, actually, because our software is generally significantly cheaper than competing offerings we're actually seeing some real strength. i just had a meeting before this with the head of our u.s. federal business, and we are seeing some solid strength as we go forward. as companies -- areas of the government, the apartments look to cut spending, they're looking to replace some of their older propr

aa a and the nsa to access commercial credit records, when you paid your bill, if you paid your bill,a way of hunting for terrorists. the fbi already has access to this database and banks are already required to report any transactions to law enforcement that look suspicious. we would expect some pushback from privacy access that the cia will get the same access. >>> investigators linking a san francisco company to the hackers that published those credit reports for michelle obama and other u.s. officials and celebrities. computers from cloud fair were used behind the scene to redirect the visitors to a russian website where the stolen credit reports were being published. those hackers apparently used personal details about their victims to access their report through a free credit report as scott mcgrew has told us. cloud fair says it does not comment on its users. >>> let's talk about the forecast with meteorologist, kris christina lorne. >>> good morning. so close to that weekend now. we're going to hold on to beautiful weather today and tomorrow. 6:58. taking a loof look over san

. -- we work with the nsa, we work with the fbi, but on the implementation moving forward.there's certain things that cannot be done by the executive order. i'll give you one example. we would like to have the same high rate flexibility for those on the cyber realm. where they are able to make different kinds of offers and packages that you would. that will be very help to feel us. that has to be done. >> i think it's any time the issue of cybersecurity is raised on the presidential. -- [inaudible] the president signed that order. implit it in the order is -- the private sector has not invested our critical infrastructure. they have invested billions and billions. the second thing i found in the order, there's good things a lot of good things in there. the notion that in 2013, the president of the united states has to sign an executive order compelling the federal government to share unclassified information when it's directed when there's a debt -- threat directed. it makes me wonder where have we been for the last ten years. it began from day one, the sharing of informati

whether it might be the cia, nsa, no such agency, or somebody else in the government. security play. >>> let's move on to our tweets and we love to get to them. let's get to them. this is for you. why the volatility in the refiners? >> that's a great question. couple things -- "wall street journal" article that wasn't favorable for them talking about the federal mandate and the ethanol thing. downgraded the bank, and stocks parabolic over the last few months, you'll have a lot of volatility. still like the space, but i think you've got to let it play out. >> this one for you, will it go through? or is it derailed by carl icahn? the options are cheap, no way to make money here. what do you tell roberto? >> i like trading august 13 and 15 risk reversals. icahn's involvement obviously would be viewed as a positive for shareholders. if it's going to be a deal, price higher than the one previously negotiated. >> if we do get that expected equity selloff one of these days, where do you see gld and slv moving directionally. >> well, i would say that gold and silver, actually,

how do we organize ourselves with the nsa and the fbi, where cyber lanes in the road are concerned. who is doing what? a lot of time being spent really organizing ourselves, even as we work with the congress on revisiting the cybersecurity legislation spent the "herald" tribune international said we're trying to higher 600 actors, is that true? >> actress for good. not just hackers. exactly. we've identified that our immediate needs are 600 more than we currently have become so we're in the process now. secondly, immigration and all of the issues. as you know, one of the major changes we made during dhs 2.0 was to prioritize immigration enforcement to really focus on those who have violated criminal laws in addition to the immigration laws, who were repeat violators, or who we caught right at the border before they got into the interior of the country. as we moved to high priorities were also started looking at things that are low priority, and that led to a memo i sent to the director of ice and the director of cis last summer, in june, deferring action on qualified young people wh

if you look at what the nsa does nowadays, they take 1.7 billion communications a day.hat is an astounding amount of information that is gathered on all of us. and i think if we take a standard in this country or in our political system of the worse e-mail or text you've ever written, and put that in the hand of government or in the case of petraeus, fbi investigation, that started with cyber crime and turned into the highest levels of espionage, which i don't think was overseen properly, we have an investigation because people were interested in the sex and potential abuse of investigation. i think that's a problem. if we don't get to krystal's point, then you talk take down a lot of people this way. we have more information than ever before. >> up next, the story that won't go away. largely because of our next guest, ohio attorney general mike dewine on new developments in the steubenville rape case just this afternoon, and who might be arrested next. this is america. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who

prevent ourselves from attack, but eventually, the government and general alexander, director of the nsahis last week, where we're going to set up offensive capability. and that's in the event that it's needed for some purposes, for defense of our country. and that's going to create a whole new industry segment. i work on a company called end game that's in this particular area. there are also going to be new areas to focus on automated attacks. in cyberparlance, we call these bots. bot armies. and the equivalence of stopping these armies from doing what they do, which is really bad, will be the equivalent of a bot wall. so there's a company called shape security that's at the very forefront of creating this. so these are all very new concepts that i think the existing guys are going to have to start adopting. when i say the big security companies of today will have to start adopting, if they're going to keep up with the bad guys. >> we'll leave it there. very, very important matters, and obviously, big opportunity for you. good to see you, sir. thanks for joining us. >> thank you for ha

we we're wondering if nsa should have jurisdiction here? enough we have taken a step backward sends 2000. .. and it might be correct. it might up -- might not be officially supported by the top brass, but this is, you know, part of the organization that you respect and trust. this is a respected individual. questioning the function. and, of course, the commission will be established to look into lots of issues anyway. this is a problem. >> congressman, we have, all of us, fought long and hard exactly about what the best way to do security is going end of this episode. we will continue to do that and take advantage of the great wisdom of the three experts. we always encouraged the continuing question in attitude and not to be complacent about where we are. we will keep working as hard as began. >> observe the chance to keep working at the problem. i'll dig in terms of if i deserve. and trying to address the problem. i feel that's my responsibility. >> you have hard time the of circumstances that might even lead to levels of state and respons

by the same token, we're doing much better in terms of our cooperation and collaboration with nsa, dhs, and the private sector. there is much more to be done. sequestration will hamper that. again, under budget constraints, one has to prioritize. >> a quick follow-up, can you give us any recent examples of where your agent or personnel in the cyber division have actually taken down or possibly thwarted a cyber attack that may or may not have been reported in the public domain? >> i can tell you that there have been news reports recently, a number of denial of service attacks on banks. we have been working closely with the banks on those attacks. we had a case a couple of years ago which we were able to put a stop to, and enterprise utilizing networked to undertake a tax -- networks to undertake a tax. -- attacks. we have done a number of things in conjunction with the secret service, nsa, because many cyber attacks originate from overseas. those have been successful. the one point i would make is that we tend to think and discuss in the beltway about protecting our networks from attack

>> first, in the case of nsa and cia, there are strictures against tracking american citizens in the united states for foreign intelligence purposes. i think i may ask director mueller to speak to this. what you are referring to falls into the lawn for cement criminal area. >> i do want to hear from director mueller, but i'm trying to get some general principles out with respect to intelligence. you have cited from areas that are relevant, what i'm trying to do is get an unclassified answer to a question about what the law authorizes. >> the law is embedded in the foreign intelligence act. it was extended for five years. it places strict shifters on -- strictures on that intelligence community tracking of americans. that is overseen strictly by the court and the executive branch, both by my office and the attorney general's. there are strict rules. >> as you know, there are some fundamental questions about the balance chain security and liberty -- between security and liberty. can make a direct answer to the question about when the intel community needs to get a war and -- warrant. s

. >> if there are people who are clan destine officials, cia, nsa or others, then they can testify inify before a classified group of senators in a closed hearing and t necessarily will never know who they are unless they want to be identified or can be identified as a matter of law. >> megyn: okay. all right, let me pause you, brad and go back. >> i want to cede point. and the senator said we deserve to know their names. if they're in camera, don't have a problem with that. and we're coming up on the 10th anniversary of the iraq war and a lot of assumptions to go into war were false. i would be a hypocrite if i were to say there would be no government oversight if there were assumptions made by any white house, and we should have done that with the iraq war and benghazi, i will grant you that, i would anl hope that senator graham who is in the house and voted for the iraq war would be as forth coming about wanting to draw lessons from that debacle as in benghazi, but right now, i don't see that. all i see is a partisan witch hunt. if in fact this were done properly and this were done

so, i think for the next nine months to a year the private sector connection into the nsa to get rid of that who do you call when something is wrong the quicker we get information the quicker we can help. that issue in the private sector is going to be the key in the ability to do things that going back to the question we have to scale. >> the temporary worker program has been one of the touchy areas. how do you create a program like that the network is in but also out into the concerns of people that say we take american jobs? >> again, not speaking on what is going on in a gain of eight but in any worker program you've got to get the balance right between opening up and selling the markets that need of labor verses the depressing wages. there are a lot of ways you can do that. the department of labor has a huge role to play. they look at what the prevailing rates are and i think the u.s. chamber has a whole string of discussions this winter. so, somewhere in this winter there is an agreement to be reached. >> you said earlier there is an operational activity. can you talk about the

years ago, i was talking to general bill odom who had been nsa director, it was right at the time -- new thinking about things and he said, you know, he said we ought to have a ceremony. run down the flag in front of the cia. say we won the cold war we're abolishing the cia and start a completely new education from scratch because, you know, he was -- we lost something when, i mean, bureaucracy is, you know, become -- in themselves. >> how quickly after the war did operations research move in to industry? >> yeah. very quick. it's interesting, phil who headed u.s. anti-submarine or effort very quickly decides we're going to accomplish a program at m.i.t. i think it was the mid '50s had begun. they students founding the operation research society of america which was very much focused 0en civilian problems, you know, everything from scheduling, firefighters, work ships to water flow on dam to problems of managing bottle necks in warehouses and factory these guys, i think became aware of the larger possibility. some was because of their politic. we thought we proved what central planni

there is an idea, and i have heard this internally when i was at the nsa. if you are doing something in private, you might be up to no good. we need to have access to that. did you know there was a plan in the obama administration to provide the intelligence community, which is a misnomer, by the way, to have the intelligence establishment have access to any and all records. what is there left to defend? you take away the essence of everything there is about that because there could be a chance that you are doing something wrong. what is happening? we are in this space where anything is suspicious. any and all data. in my case, i was utterly framed. not only was information mischaracterized, but misrepresented and that time even doctored. what does that tell you? because it is all done in secret. you become a target of the government. i have lived this for five years. you become a target of the government. it's not a life that i want anyone to live. another thing to share with you, and i have not said this directly. everyone was associated with me either be

about 25% that will be about 33% depending on the challenges but i want to root'' the figures of the nsa so it is more independent than local authorities. the fsa and the zero local regulation of this has said the figures have been told% reduction but doesn't have enforcement offices. of local regulation office said through 2012 there was a point* eight% decrease in but to increase, a standards and budgets are part of the environmental health, which saw decreased 11.5% in england and 80% in wales. those percentages are single figure percentages from the enforcement offices. if you compare

he's the head of the nsa and the head of the cyber command telling the congressional panel there's aill roll into effect by the fall of 2015. he said a tax on wall street grew significantly over the past six months. and he said 160 attacks on banks in the last six months. the u.s. is very concerned about spate-sponsored attacks coming. we're going to work on finding out who is invited to the meeting. >> a lot of people writing in saying they are glad. can't wait to hear more. let's get to the markets as the dow tries to hold onto record highs. who has missed out on the the rally? and where can investors still find value? larry adams is the chief strategist. larry, good morning to you. >> good morning, carl. >> you point out people get annoyed pointing out how well stocks have done this year. the action today, does it suggest that a real breather is finally upon us? >> i agree with you. it's human nature. but you're right. the reality is people have participated in the rally. six the first quarter of 2009 the equity markets have rallied. and so has the values of people's port folios w

back to 2024, was social security going encrypt and 2033, to increase taxes a billion dollars and not nsa program seems unconscionable. finally, what does a trillion dollars to after increasing taxes $600 billion as a result of what happened in the fiscal cliff in the end of december to our economy at a time when we much stronger economic growth. i can tell you what i'm hearing from the small businesses. they cannot afford the health care costs going up because of obamacare, that there have been a hard time. they want to grow businesses, but please don't increase taxes again. i've been hearing from the regulatory framework. my question would be to the democrats is busy trying dollars tax increase, what will that do for businesses in terms of trying to grow our economy right now? the one way we can have the most romantic impact on our dad is to grow our economy. on a final note, i was really disappointed and quite disturbed by the presidents, certainly the attorney general and really back that by the president's decision to close guantÁnamo bay that we have brought osama bin laden son-in-l

creed and national data reporting requirements, and give dhs hiring authority equivalent to that of the nsaats to cyberspace and the need to address them do not diminish because of budget cuts. in the current fiscal climate, which do not have the luxury of making significant reductions to our capabilities without having significant impact. sequester reductions will require us to scale back the the bombing of critical capabilities for the defense of federal cyber networks. it will disrupt long-term efforts to grow our cybersecurity work force and delay the implementation of e3a by one year. in addition, sequester has resulted in canceling major cyber security exercises by which involving international, federal, state, local, private- sector partners. we actually work through the scenarios we confront. the american people expect us to secure the country from a growing cyber threat and to ensure the critical infrastructure is protected. further action is needed by congress, including immediate action to address the sequester if we are to meet our responsibilities. we must act now, not years fr

how are you going to respond recently fbi arrest in nsa? secondly i want to ask about china human rights issue, you know, -- [inaudible] and china have forced abortion every year. and china -- [inaudible] -- organ transplant a couple thousand a year. number two country of the world. just very large human rights issue. i hope you can talk about the human rights issue, let's more talk about economic trade with china. >> i think that both issues are important. it is important to economically engage china. i think of evolution in terms of human rights is partly dependent upon what we do to put information into china about what's happening on the ground in china in real-time in order to expose these types of abuses. and that is best done through radio free asia. but it is also done to other legislation that we have enacted in which we have an institution year on the hill that -- and i'm a member of the hearings that we hold on this issue, which elevate human rights, and which he gets that information out into the international press. so it's par

we we're wondering if nsa should have jurisdiction here?n a step backward sends 2000. .. there's no question about the. i also was not present. i saw the news reports obviously but that's not reflective of view of the department. >> well, let's forget the politics were second in the view of the department. right now the department doesn't have a lot of credibility in the security issue. here's a guy who's been a loyal public servant for 29 years was trying to stress the viewpoint and it might be politically correct. it might m not be officially supported by the top brass, but this is coming in a, part of the organization that you respectn h and trust, this question, even the function of nnsa, and, off course, the commission will be o established. this is a problem. >> congressman, we have, all of, us thought long and hard exactlt about what's the best way to doo security going forward out of this episode. ha will continue to dooi that.it we are going to take advantage of the great wisdom of the three continui and we always encourage and con

we we're wondering if nsa should have jurisdiction here? enough we have taken a step backward sends 2000. .. and it might be correct. it might up -- might not be officially supported by the top brass, but this is, you know, part of the organization that you respect and trust. this is a respected individual. questioning the function. and, of course, the commission will be established to look into lots of issues anyway. this is a problem. >> congressman, we have, all of us, fought long and hard exactly about what the best way to do security is going end of this episode. we will continue to do that and take advantage of the great wisdom of the three experts. we always encouraged the continuing question in attitude and not to be complacent about where we are. we will keep working as hard as began. >> observe the chance to keep working at the problem. i'll dig in terms of if i deserve. and trying to address the problem. i feel that's my responsibility. >> you have hard time the of circumstances that might even lead to levels of state and respons