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and then the nsa admitted that all of this collection and use was so extensive that no one in the nsa knew what they were doing. they were so out of control, they did not even know what they were doing. as for collecting and sharing with other countries, that to needs more congressional oversight. the nsa and most of the agencies have been operating with impunity and without oversight. they got what they wanted because they said it was in national interest and they get lots of funding. and a free hand to do what ever they want to do that they believe is in the national interest. only to discover some years later, for the public and their representatives to discover it is not necessarily in the national interest. certain kinds of sharing of intelligence. and i haven't even really addressed the matter of encryption. the nsa has, over the years, a responsibility to see that communications within the united states be carried out securely. when the president wants to use the phone on air force one, the phone conversation won't be stolen by someone else. it turns out the nsa, looking at the

on capitol hill, attempts to unmask nsa surveillance continue. the senate intelligence hearing, top spies were grilled over overreach of americans'data. the sights and sounds of that hearing later in the show. it is friday, september 20 seven, 5:00 p.m. in washington, d.c. and you're watching "rt." we start with a historic conversation between president obama and the iranian president. the white house confirmed the two men spoke with each other over the phone about the nuclear deal. this marks the first time a u.s. president and an iranian leader have spoken in more than 30 years. the president addressed the significance of this call. >> the very fact that this was the first to medication between an american and iranian president since 1979 underscores the deep mistrust between our countries but it indicates the prospect of moving beyond that difficult history. >> at the u.n. in new york city, it has been a busy week for the general assembly. the diplomats labors are starting to bear fruit. thursday evening we learned the five permanent members h

the nsa has found a way to crack through walls intended to keep information private. reports on those leaked documents in the new york time and pro-publica, shows how the nsa can expose a vast amount of information even encrypted ones. letting the rest of the world know what our spy agencies are up to. last month president obama was forced to address the endless trail of surveillance leaks. >>> we can and must be more transparent so i've directed the intelligence community to make public as much information about these programs as possible. >> but this transparency courtesy of mr. snowden is not likely what the president was referring to. and the government asked the news agencies not to publish publish these leaks. propublica, saying it might prompt foreign targets oswitch to new forms of encryption or communications that would be harder to collect or read. >>> both news organization he said they removed some specific facts, but decided to publish because of the value of the public debate about government actions that they say weakened the most powerful tools for pro

i have to get your take on this nsa scandal. >> the nsa claims it's doing what the law says. seems to me the nsa is watching that amount of domestic material. you have to wonder if that's the broad mission. we don't really know if all the snowden revelations are true. if they are true, the nsa has been watching an awful lot of activity on the internet. google asked, we want to legally tell you how much the courts ask us for information. we can't even legally answer that question. i think we would be stronger as a country with more transparency about what we're doing. i really believe that. i disagree with the security folks who say, we can't tell people that. they already know. we're stronger when people know what's going on and they're helping us make it better. >> it's also not fair to a company like google to put you

also, more of the nsa's innerworkings are revealed. shedding light on the top secret court and how your privacy is being compromised. it is wednesday, september 11. you are watching rt. we begin with the united states senate where they were expected to hold a vote. but as president obama noted in his primetime speech last night, that vote has been delayed at his request while he and secretary of state john kerry confer with russia to see if there diplomatic solution to compel syria is viable. secretary kerry is expected to meet tomorrow to go over all of this. requiring assad to give up his chemical weapons. any resolution that threatens military force against syria, forcing them to disarm. the u.s. says the only way to get them to disarm is with the threat of military force. president obama insisted that military force is still very much an option. while he is pursuing a diplomatic solution, he has a gun on the bargaining table. >> i have ordered the military to maintain the current posture to maintain pressure on assad and be in a pl

were allrst stories nsa and they were edited out of new york.we were in touch with the the white house, and we warned them of what we would publish. helpfulometimes dialogue, sometimes robust dialogue about what we would do, but it was important that we give him a chance to respond and they told us why they should not -- why they thought we should not publish a few things. there were a few things that were helpful. we did not want to go into this acting irresponsibly or putting agent or operations in jeopardy. edward snowden also made that a requirement. that people not be exposed. he said you would have to form your own judgment, but i would like people to behave responsibly, not expose agents or ongoing sensitive operations. for instance, afghanistan, iraq. >> we will be back with alan rusbridger. he is the editor-in-chief for "the guardian" and the author of a new book. we will be right back. [♪] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. our guest is alan rusbridger of the guardian newspaper. brit

faith in the nsa. also have a deep and abiding are going to be exposed to additional attacks and because of where the attacks come from, the language differences, the cultural differences, the inability to use human intelligence fully, that the technological aspects of intelligence are extraordinarily important to prevent an attack. that is what this use was, to prevent an attack. it is not used to surveillance for other purposes. it is to prevent and protect against an attack and protect the homeland. us, i think,rd for who do these meetings twice a -- without end. us very leave vulnerable. >> i agree. i think these new authorities are vital to national security. they do plug gaps from before 9/11. they have prevented terrorist attacks. what we are dealing with here is the need to ensure the public continues to have confidence in the checks and balances that protect civil liberties. frankly, i was as surprised as everybody why the number of americans that a leaf that edward snowden was a whistleblower

. >>> former contractor edward snowden began leaking details of the nsa's gatherings many months ago. >> now we're getting the first glimpse into what the nsa says it may be doing with the information it gathers. as pamela brown discloses, the new disclosures to the new york times are only adding to the growing concern among privacy advocates. >> reporter: the nsa isn't only tracking meta data from your phone calls and e-mail logs, it's using that information to create a confiscated network of information. >> if the government is looking at your information, it's because they have a reason, because you're suspected of a crime. >> reporter: this slide from an nsa power point presentation shows how analysts use software to create diagrams to chart a person's social ties, location at certain times, traveling campaign companions and other personal information. according to the documents leaked by former government contractor edward snow den. the policy shift was intended to help the agency discover and track when there's a link between an intelligence interest overseas and a u.s. citizen.

who runs the nsa, which was pioneered in iraq but then moved to american soil is collect it all. in other words, every form of electronic communication that human beings have with one another should be collected, stored, monitored and analyzed by the nsa. that's a very extraordinary thing to happen in a democracy with no public debate and no public knowledge. i think that's why the story has resonated the way it has. >> when i read about a week ago in "the wall street journal" that some nsa employees have

and the nsa, like you said, went ahead and did it, anyway.ies into international encryption standards. and they're finding access opportunities into google's encrypted web traffic. and all these technologies that we count on to keep our secrets secret. and by doing so, they fundamentally made those technologies less secure. so maybe the nsa has this giant head start on everyone else, but eventually cryptographers point out at some point people will catch on and nsa's back doors could be china's back doors or russia's back doors or who knows back doors. so i think there's a broader question to be answered here, which is do we really want our own government agency, especially one that's charged with making the u.s. more secure, being responsible for making all these technologies fundamentally less secure. >> and nicole, quickly before we let you go, in terms of edward snowden's access to this, he theoretically didn't have clearance to get into bull run. it was not a need to know sort of security clearance basis. it was no need to know. so that

was complying, and the nsa lad lost the court's confidence. those are pretty startling revelations. >> so the other part of that was the motion that only 10% actually fell

the real problems are things like nsa access. for the last 10 years, many people in the privacy community have been worried about advertising. it is pretty silly. it reminds me when the camera came out. it is where migrant -- modern privacy law came from. the idea that you could have a camera that would take a photo of you without sitting still for an hour disturbed people. we got used to it. we will get used to online advertising. most younger people have. what we are really worried about him privacy is the government, identity thieves, and peer to peer privacy. on those scores, we're making good progress, where the government is not the problem. we should keep fighting. >> the president of tech freedom, thank you. on to th emoe monsanto protectin it. it is the provision that was quietly inserted into a spending bill last spring and signed into law that a sickly allows mon-- that allows monsanto to continue disturbing genetically modified seeds even after a court has ruled they may have not have met certain environmental test. i

is this about the nsa or about obama?i think michelle is right, it's about the nsa, which started this program under george w. bush. >> with the vote of congress, the patriot act, democrats voted for it, too. >> it's not just the patriot act. it's also the warrantless wire tap. this thing about foreign spying, this has been going on since the beginning of time. the idea that president obama's administration is the only administration that has ever spied on another government is preposterous. i don't think anybody will believe at that. >> i think it is obama. he may have been very charming in his telephone conferring. we've also had the irs around for a long time and the federal election committee. he's shown he will use these nonpartisan institutions of government in order to spy on americans and abuse private personal data in a way that makes the nsa scandal so much worse. you understand the government is going to be listening or tracking certain phone calls, especially in the era of terrorism. the way it was used by the

if you've had trouble keeping up with all of the nsa surveillance news this summer, don't worry, youre not alone. since memorial day there have been new revelations every single week about america's pervasive phone and internet surveillance programs, all thanks to edward snowden, who provided documents to the guardian columnist glenn greenwald. the latest on saturday came from a german newspaper. the documents apparently show that the nsa hacked into systems belonging to the arab news broadcaster al jazeera. this has been the media story of the summer. so as fall approaches, does the reporter who broke the story have more rev lagtsz to come? he joins me now. glenn, thanks for being here. in these last three months, what have you personally learned from all of these disclosures? >> well, i think the main point is that the thing people most did not know is just how limitless the nsa's goals are when it comes to spying. what they're really doing is creating a spying system that literally has as its goal the elimination of privacy worldwide. the motto of general alexander, who runs the n

this is revealed from the ig report from inside the nsa. pardon me if i don't trust them. >> how else will they do a report. they are still gaining access that shay shouldn't have. the government gets basic says and then abuse it. >> do you want to get rid of the nsa? they are policing themselves. >> you can't investigate from the inside. >> you can't do that. you need someone to come in. that's my opinion. >> your opinion is wrong. you are not familiar with love. none of it ever happened to you. do you think this is abuse that is like as big as everybody said it was. you do? >> i totally understand why guys would abuse power to check up on their girlfriend and some of these cases are mwomen checking up on men. >> we talked about this last month. i said we've seen these kinds of things happen before with police and other departments and agencies that have access to information. i don't think it's rampant. i'm not going to sweat the nra on this. the only thing i don't like about this be is in seven of the 12 cases listed in the letter, the s

the nsa is accused of monitors rousseff and her aides. she has agreed to meet pending the report. >>> thousands of muslim brotherhood supporters are turning out in egypt once again in protest of the interim government. the rallies are taking place in cairo, giza and six other areas in the country. the demonstrations are a day after egypt's interior minister narrowly escaped an assassination attempt when a car bomb tore through his convoy. our correspondent is on the line for us in cairo. we're not naming her for her own safety. where are these protests taking place? what are their demands? >> reporter: they've been as kro the across the whole of the egypt. we see them in cairo. i was out and about in the streets and saw one protester and about 3,000 people on foot and another 100 or so people following on a car rally. now, we saw one woman on the balcony on the local residence waving this photograph who is the head of the army and defense minister here and kind of running the country. she put a finger across her throat as if to say the pr

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you're not surprised by this report about the nsa. why not?well, the nsa has a vigorous and robust surveillance program. and i am somewhat surprised to hear that they had a specific indication because obviously that raises the question of whether anybody did anything about it but it's difficult to filter out the static from the real reports and to make sense out of the real reports. >> you know, again, i want to make the point that fox news is trying to confirm this on our own. kenyan newspapers today were reporting that the intelligence in that country had such specific details on in that it named the date and the fact that hostages would be taken at the mall. there are a lot of americans who live over there. we had an embassy bombed in that city not far from that mall in 1998 as you know americans killed. so wouldn't kenya and the u.s. have shared this intelligence? >> you would think and you would think that both sides would be much more forward leaning about pursuing it if, in fact, it was that advance notice. that's so dis -- >> this is c

the nsa is also sharing its data.e know it shares data with the ceo, with the fbi, with the drug enforcement agency, and today we learned that they share unfiltered raw data with israel. this is data that they aren't even allowed to share with the nsa. >> that is so say they are turning other the records isn't the response be that's the courts order we have so. >> so for the fist six years there were no court ordered at all, there was no othersight, and the companies were complying. now, yes, there is a court order saying that they have to, it's argued that the company really should fight these illegal unconstitutional court orders. i have is seen google started to fight them, but the telecoms at&t and verizon, and the like, certainly have not pushed back. >> nate from the electronic frontier foundation, appreciate your insight into all this. >> thank you for having me on. >> ahead here, a historic recall election. colorado lawmakers kicked out for supporting tighter gun restrictions, we will get that story, ahead. >>

they happened to get it right in the nsa case.o really change things i don't know. when you have people like ron paul being your flag carriers, it's not exactly the kind of thing people want to get behind. >> i wish you could ask all of those people how they feel about the reports that the fbi is now more closely looking at syrian americans. i'd like to challenge, you know, for those who have so much outrage about the nsa, and what they do, and our freedoms and our civil liberties, how do they feel about that story, what the question that i would like. >> before we go, karen i wanted to say this specifically for you, because it's a -- i think it's a ray of light in an otherwise dark hour of television, in 2011, the state of texas, this is not -- this is not the light part the state of texas ended reproductive health services for thousands of low income women by blocking funding for planned parenthood clinics. enter ross perot. his dallas foundation donated $1 million this week to planned parenthood of texas, in a statement perot's

the nsa is also sharing its data. we know it shares data with the ceo, with the fbi, with the drug enforcement agency, and today we learned that they share unfiltered raw data with israel. this is data that they aren't even allowed to share with the nsa. >> that is so say they are turning other the

. >> according to greenwald, the nsa program relied on dna presenter, which focuses on content from social media chats and private messages. in this case, it's alleged the mexican president's e-mails were read, so the u.s. government would know his cabinet picks in advance and the brazilian president's communications were picked up to track her network of contacts. those who support the nsa mission of foreign intelligence collection say the agency's job is to gather intelligence, whomever it belongs to, in an

that followed earlier reports about nsa abilities to break digital locks. a google vice president compared the situation to "an arms race" between the company and

i want to go back to the nsa program. he said something important, which is you could vouch for the program that was underway when you were in office. but obviously not the into the program now, it is a different situation. i think everybody in this room would agree barack obama is no dick cheney. when you have a president who has shown himself to have such a complete the search are for the rule of law, who has shown himself willing to use the irs to go after political enemies, who has shown himself willing to completely disregard the constitution, to decide i am not going to implement the employer mandate because it is inconvenient for me even though it is the law, who has shown himself frankly completely irresponsible when it comes to protecting americans' privacy, you have a lot of americans out there now, and in light of a lot of news stories we are seeing, that say the nsa made a mistake and they listen to phone calls or washington, d.c., because it has a 202 area code which is similar to the country code for egypt.

the issue arose that the nsa while trying to acquire e-mails to, from, or about and foreign that they were i acquiring e-mails from persons within the united states that happen to be bundled with the e- mail messages nsa was trying to collect. his bundling is done by internet companies in order to make it easier to send information

well, i think the main point is that the thing people most did not know is just how limitless the nsa's goals are when it comes to spying. what they're really doing is creating a spying system that literally has as its goal the elimination of privacy worldwide. the motto of general alexander, who runs the nsa, which was pioneered in iraq but then moved to american soil is collect it

. >>> more bombshell revolutions in the nsa spying scandal. documents show the national security agency has been serially gathering information on connections u.s. citizens have made on social media since november 2012. massive amounts of data on phone calls and the e-mails have been collected by the nsa. this information can be used to pinpoint a person's exact location. here's the catch. it can also detect who a person is traveling with at any given time. if that wasn't enough, more

election in colorado that was all about gun laws. >>> plus damaging new evidence that suggests the nsa be listening on your phone conversations. >>> and ringing up a new business. the very first smartphone manufacturing company that's made in the u.s.a, well, sort of. we'll explain coming up. >> it's been 40 years since a coup that brought general augusto pinoche to power. as lucia newman reports, the anniversary is rekindling are memories of a very dark are time in the couple. >> there was a dramatic 11th of september. it was also on a tuesday morning. a bloody u.s. military coup in chile, that overthrew salvador allende, 40 years have passed, not more than enough for alley kuntzman to recall. >> this is the part of the stadium where the locker rooms were, where the prisoners were kept. a lot of the women were raped not just once but by packs of soldiers. >> more than 30,000 people suspected of ties with the fallen government were brought here. including manuelme mendez. a former factory worker. >> no one can enter but us and guests like you. >> today the national stadium has been tot

what does this say about the nsa? >> i suspect there will be a re- examination of that opinion to see whether or not that ruling was justified in terms of the needs. i think as was pointed out, and as others have pointed out, there are legitimate need for surveillance that protect the country against threats. the question is whether or not that effort to protect the country oversteps the protection of privacy that all of us are also entitled to, so there is a balance that needs to be struck. as the general counsel pointed out a couple of weeks ago at the german marshall fund, there has been no indication that the information -- >> i am so sorry. i hate to cut you off, but we are out of time. >> thanks for having me. >> if you do the crime, you do the time. it could depend on how deep your pockets are. in one california prison, the prisoners pay for five-star treatment. they are offering inmates flatscreen televisions, better bed, and more, if the price is right. it is all part of the page used a program, and we are sh

that is not what the nsa is job is.ly have to look at exactly how these issues have been practiced and how we deal with this. the bottom line here is that the nsa has a job to do. it has the job that involves going after threats to the united states through electronic means. that electronic means has graduated from of radio spectrum into the antiworld and on to the internet. so that means that different techniques and procedures and laws need to be put in place so that we can assure ourselves the degree of protection but also make sure we protect ourselves against terrorists to use the internet for their own purposes. melissa: that last part i have a problem with. i don't know if we can assure ourselves a degree of protection against the government would deal with that one. >> that is the problem. if you look at president obama statements in the past it was basically if you know what i know you would just as. that does not give us a sense that everything is fine and dandy. i came from the signal intelligence side, the t

intelligence committee vigorously defended the nsa's efforts and denounced the leaks lie snowden. >> there's no way to make up for the damage that's already been done. >> reporter: but they dodged questions about what is currently being done such as this exchange that tracks where a person has been from the cell phone in their pocket. >> has the nsa ever collected or ever made any plans to collect american cell site information? >> what i don't want to do is put out in an unclassified form anything that's classified here. >> reporter: the nsa has repeatedly said there's been no willful instances. but they've been caught spying on their girlfriends, boyfriends and spouses. >> in arizona investigators released a 120 page report that leaves almost as many questions as answers about why 19 firefighters died in the yarnell hill fire. it was the worst firefighting tragedy since nine seven. he with covered the story tonight. >> i can feel it, you know. >> reporter: these radio transmissions are believed to be some of the final communications from the grand the mountain hotshots. shortly aft

the former nsa contractor edward snowden leaked classified documents.wednesday a group of democrats and remember cans introduced legislation intended to restrict government access to those records to include only those suspected of terrorism. >> it's the most comprehensive bipartisan intelligent reform proposal since the tess closur s disclosuredisclear useof lastdi. >> reporter: brazilian president challenged the u.s. spy program. earlier this year it was revealed her own communications may have also been monitored by the nsa president obama has defended the surveillance but now acknowledges a need for reform. >> we have begun to review the way we gather inning it tell jenks so we properly balance the legitimate concerns of on citizens and allies with the privacy concerns that all people share. >> reporter: despite outcry over the surveillance the head of the senate intelligence commit document drafting competing legislation that would broaden the government's intelligent powers to spy on powers travel to go the united states after being identified ove

so i have great faith in the nsa. i also have a deep and abiding belief that we are going to be exposed to additional attacks and that because of where the attacks come from, the language differences, the cultural differences, the inability to use human intelligence fully, that the technological aspects of intelligence are extraordinarily important to prevent an attack. and that's what this is used for, to prevent an attack. it is not used to surveil for other purposes. to prevent and protect an attack and protect the homeland. so it's very hard for us, i think, who do these meetings twice a week kind of without end to see the whole -- people want to take out the whole system. >> uh-huh. >> and that will leave us, i believe, very vulnerable. >> yeah -- >> comment, please. >> i mean, i agree. i think these new authorities as i describe in my testimony are vital to national security. they do plug gaps from before 9/11. they have prevented terrorist attacks. so what we're dealing with here is the need to insure the publi

. >>> silicon valley companies fight back against the nsa surveillance program in an attempt to salvage their reputatio reputations. >>> suspicious deaths and misconduct in nursing homes. the agency in charge of investigating now facing questions of neglect. >>> plus, from cutting-edge exhibitions to world premiere performances, sy reveals his top entertainment picks. coming up next. >>> good evening. welcome to "this week in northern california." joining me for insight and analysis of the news are mina kim, kqed news reporter. michelle quinn, politico silicon valley reporter. and scott detrow, kqed's sacramento bureau chief. in sacramento, the legislative session wrapped up this week after a flurry of bills and some 11th hour wrangling. lawmakers reached a deal that broke an impasse over a federal court order on prison overcrowding. some other measures debates, increasing the minimum wage, regulating fracking, tightening restrictions on guns. scott, you spent some late nights there this week. what were some of the biggest winners. >> one of the biggest surprise was allowing undocumente

and even most members of congress don't know the full extent of the nsa's authority.thout any real checks on its authority, it has been doing this all behind closed doors. hopefully we will not fugitive of the iceberg. neil: do you worry that this environment where syria is front and center, that we are fixated on scandals? you know when the scandals became known. >> more americans have become part of an issue of privacy. everyone wants to have it whether you're conservative or liberal and we have got to support of james sensenbrenner in support of a lawsuit. neil: i was looking at everyone participating in this. the fact is there is a collective angst about how far the government is going. what i'm aing you is when people are focused upon one and how bad it gets, and whether they are very security is threatened, do they pull another 9/11 and say it, well, we let this slide. >> i think they recognize that we need a certain amount of surveillance authority to accomplish the goal. but that it doesn't need to have dragnet authority to sweep up the communications of milli

the nsa can also draw in material from face b.c.rmation, ens information and property records and other public and commercial sources to better analyze american's phone and e-mail logs. >> now we know from these leaks that this is how the government is operating, there is a much broader swath of people, that americans are included in this mix. >> reporter: in a statement the agency says we know there is a false perception out there the nsa listens to the phone calls and reads the e-mails of every day americans, aiming to unlawfully monitor or profile u.s. citizens. it's just fought the case. nsa chief alexander said a person's individual data is analyzed only when there is a foreign intelligence justification. while some argue the nsa under surveillance efforts are keeping americans safer, critics say this latest disclosure is yet another example of how the nsa is infringeing on american's privacy. >> americans assume a right to a certain kind of privacy. that usually starts at the door to their home. >> the new york times says the

according to new documents released by former nsa security contractor edward snowden the nsa has spentbillions of dollars in custom design computers built to break encrypted confident documen documenttation. they persuaded or legally forced technology companies to provide them with keys to their inscription programs so they could decode builds of we mails, internet chats and phone calls in the u.s. and across the world. in a 2010 briefing memo the u.k.'s count part the u.k count. saying that vast amounts of online data that was previously ignored is now being exploited. the british agency reported it had developed what it called access opportunities to google's encrypted traffic. there are 400 million users of g mail. other companies targeted by code breakers include yahoo, facebo facebook, and hot mail. the documented collected by snowden have been shared by "the new york times," the guardian. it coincides with a new poll showing half of americans are worried about the information available about them online. seven out of ten believe laws and government policies are inadequate to prot

is it time to slow down the fundining of the nsa?ey are spying on innocent americans and the colleague, the guy next to them in the cubicle are implicated for mass shootings and espionage and implicated for releasing national secrets. this is what is going on in the government. we have aovernment that is too thin. there are $5 million people with top secret security clearance. that is too many people. there is no way to vet all the people. people fall through the cracks. >> eric: you make a very, very valid point. we found throughout week that the sameroup that vetted the d.c. navy yard shooter is the same group that vetted ed snowden. some of us say thankoodness for ed snowden and others say is this stuff falling through the cracks? what say you, wayne? >> well, we have people in the government spying on ch other. i mean, this is insanly. they don't know what they are doing. one arm of the government has no idea what another arm is doing. they areiving away taxpayer money. it's beyond control. they can't poibly know what everybody e