it is not that edward snowden has exposed to secrets of the nsa, he is exposed the lies of the nsa.e director of national intelligence james clapper testified to congress the nsa was in collecting information about millions of americans and it turns out they were. the solicitor general told the supreme court the nsa was providing notice to criminal defendants who had been surveilled. it turns out they weren't. it is all of these misrepresentations about the nsa's activities that edward snowden has exposed and i think that is a great public service and a travesty that edward snowden is in russia. we are hopeful he will be able to return to the united states -- not to face criminal charges, but rather with the kind of amnesty that he deserves. >> i want to thank you both for being with us. jameel jaffer from the aclu and glenn greenwald who broke the story about edward snowden, speaking to us from brazil. now creating a new media venture with laura poitras and jeremy scahill and ebay's founder. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. way, t

there is one that the nsa. but if you believe the director of the nsa is at least in part a call.s wrongdoing, that ig for him. if you really want to put the director of the nsa on report, it has to be high-level decision and you must go above the director of the nsa, which is the ig resident with the u.s. department of defense. did.is what we we did the 2002 complaint to the dod ig, even though the report was heavily classified and really very few people saw it. it was designed to be buried because it was very embarrassing to the nsa. function was really no function. if you think snowden had a path through the ig, he didn't. these things are there. they're almost cosmetic. there are investigations, lots of reports written, but they are buried and hidden from public review when they don't cannot favorably. >> ben wizner, the little time we have left, on edward stone's request for permanent asylum in brazil and his options right now, could you talk about that? >> i think the press got away in -- got carried away. snowden has been getting requests from brazilian senators and in fact

there is no content collected by the nsa. there are bits of data: location, telephone numbers that can be queried when there is reasonable, articulable suspicion. i so regret what is happening. i will do everything i can to prevent this program from being cancelled out. senator, i don't have any questions. >> it is ironic that not only is diane feinstein, who's a democrat, one of the most devoted apologists of the nsa, the position that she occupies in the senate, which is chair of the senate intelligence committee is the position that is supposed to be devoted to overseeing the intelligence community, serving as a watchdog over it, and yet they've managed to put and install into that position, one of the most slavish devotees and loyalist of all of their powers. >> the people who are the ones who are supposed to be watching the intelligence agencies are the ones who end up being their biggest supporters and to some extent, the ones who try to rationalize every form of misconduct that ever gets displayed to us. >> as more and

they seem to be working with the nsa too.e don't know as much about how closely, and we haven't heard much from them. >> i think that's an important distinction, isn't it? earlier on in the time line we hard that a lot of companies of all different types both service providers and the ones that provide the pipelines you might say, were responding to warrants, responding to requests, responding to channels through which the government attempted to obtain this information. and now even when they are not being asked -- i guess even when the federal government does it, it's a hack, isn't it? >> in many cases these cable -- the -- the people who have -- who run the tubes for lack of a better word that the internet runs on are willingly cooperating with the nsa, and there's not been much accountability for them. i think in -- in large part because they are not really consumer facing, and you or i don't really have a choice when it comes to who's pipe or tube our data is being sent over. >> i think that's an important juncture in ou

this is the mission of the nsa. one of the ways that you see this mission manifest is that there are numerous programs that the nsa envelops and pursues that have no real purpose other than to identify the few pockets of communication that still exist on the planet that the nsa hasn't yet quite successfully invaded. the nsa is obsessed institutionally with the idea that there are still places in methods that exist that are impervious to their invasion, and they work every day to try to rectify what they see as the problem am of the problem being that there are still places on the planet that human communication can take place without their collecting, storing, monitoring, and analyzing that communication. there are documents delivered, for example, to trying to understand how better to invade the wi-fi systems on airplanes based on the concern that human beings can still go on airplanes and use the internet or mobile phones for a few hours in their lives and not be accessible to their surveillance net. there are doc

the nsa's practice of collecting data first, and reviewing it later.hat's at issue in today's court ruling. it also suggested taking the nsa's power away from military control to enhance civilian power and ensure senior officials are reviewing that spying on foreign leaders and also to stop allowing the nsa to make its case in secret court without any other side present. the panel recommends adding public defenders to debate the nsa's claims and that is important. it would require changing current law. in fact, a change the president himself advocated after snowden leaks were published by the "guardian's" glen greenwald, this summer. >> we can take steps to make sure civil liberties by ensuring the government's position is challenged by an adversary. >> the nsa is pushing back hard on any reform. last night granted unusual access to "60 minutes". and nsa officials defended widening surveillance powers. >> my concern on that, especially what's going on in the middle east, what you see going on in syria, what we see going on, egypt, libya, iraq, is much

but again i love this way until tomorrow will be new nsa rattling. talk about rachel evans and mosman councils that brennan centers of liberty and national security program. thank you for coming on the shelf thinking of well the cbs news magazine program sixty minutes is under fire for the second time in many months for the reporting scandal this time the program is being criticized for a recent two part series that looks until the isi director keith alexander called sixty minutes to invite them into the agency for an unprecedented inside look at what the nsa does and what its officials think about the leaks from former contractor a what's not and now media critics argue that not a single dissenting voice was featured throughout the reporting two parts by twenty and no tough questions for ultimately it's our chief political commentator sensex analyzes the report is full for blowback. send in a sixty minutes report which noted unprecedented access to the nsa didn't start off so well. full disclosure i once worked in the office of the director of natio

clearly, they are part of the target of the nsa. as far as the internal procedures and exhausting them, mr. stood in explained that he had -- mr. snowden explained that he had. he was dismissed. therest important point is that the intelligence committee of the united states was aware of the wrongdoing, and were trying to warn the public, but were constrained by law by telling anyone about it. they were rendered impotent. they were barred from speaking about it or doing anything about it. there was no recourse running a public. system forl whistleblowers is really a farce, an illusion designed to suppress the information and not to bring it to light. hq, theas the on the gc u.k. is the closest ally. there is another level of cooperation. b, where theyier cooperate with the nsa on a case-by-case basis. germany, france, norway, sweden, denmark, are among the countries that have participated most extensively. that.lish documents about and as far as using it against political averages, i described a story a couple of weeks ago in which t

of the nsa. is why i asked this. i want to get a sense of how much you were in a position to make an evaluation. whatever evaluation you could make about what you think is -- the integrity of the people who are operating these processes within the nsa and how much they respect the limitations that they should be imposed, should be imposed on them? >> my take, i saw a lot of integrity. evidence of integrity. part of what you do with checks and balances, you didn't plan for only the good times, but you plan for times that aren't so good. we are putting in checks and balances and that informs our report >> i don't think you should set up a system that is based on trusting people. safe guards are important to discuss. what i was trying to get at. given where we are. and the position that your committee had of being able to look at what you believe has already been done. your assessment, being able to tell us what your assessment is, of the integrity level. an important thing to know at this point. do

wiretapping is not just nsa. police, whichcal it sounds like it was in your case or it if they follow the law, they could argue they have done everything right. wiretapping has been a cornerstone of law enforcement since the invention of the telephone -- telephone. host: if they were doing their job as designed, why couldn't they stop the boston murders? a coordination problem. us had been more positives in september 11. interagency cooperation has gotten better, but there is still some gaps and that was one of them. host: what you make of the headlines of these tech company ceos meeting with the president yesterday and pressing him on spying, saying the public does not trust us, and demanding they have more control over the backbone? people are trying to manipulate the press and public opinion by releasing things that damage the u.s. government and damage u.s. companies. there are people trying to take commercial advantage of this and companies are hurting. this is something the president needs to pay attention

should the nsa be afraid?six months ago he handed overarchives of information to three reporters, i was one of them. he's had no role in what is disclosed since, he's added nothing to what he's disclosed. to the extent he wants to participate he wants to speak as someone who interprets what we have learned says what he thinks ought to be done about it. whether the nsa is afraid or not is not for me to say. he has launched a global debate and an american debate about what the limits, boundaries should be of surveillance in a democratic society. that's ongoing. >> garrett: to think about conceptually this is a box, you might regard it as reporter as a treasure chest, michael hey done and others like pandora's box full of all sorts of damaging disclosures of what america surveys, why, how it accomplishes that. the box is in your hands, in the hands of others. more things may come out of that box but edward snowden will not be providing them. that's a finite amount he's given you and that's all it is. >> that's ex

some of the people proposing bills to restraint nsa spying. include the very opposite the patriot act james sensenbrenner republican from wisconsin leahy senator from vermont on the other side of chamber and they teamed up to propose very very significant restrictions on nsa spying. i do hope that the usa freedom act that says given the dysfunction visible across congress. that's really the leasing companies joining in the mix earlier this week when is the calculation of capital makes this legislation more likely that a supreme act ice i certainly hope so and that the sec companies abandoned their other issues or that accompanies the bin barry i lied on privacy concerns in yet not been able to secure congressional reforms even around with more to meet their proposals the electronic communications privacy act for instance has been an object of attention of the tech companies for over a year now. this is a bill that hasn't been a lot now that has adapted to thirty years getting on the nsa. while local police and the fbi in every other one forced

of the nsa. one of the ways you see the mission manifest is there are numerous programs that the nsa develops and pursues that have no real purpose other than to identify the few pockets of communication that still exists on the planet that the nsa has not quite successfully invaded. the nsa was obsessed institutionally that exist that are impervious to the invasion and they work every day to try to rectify what they see as this problem. the problem being on the planet that human communication can take place by collect, storing, analyzing the communication. they're devoted to the example of trying to understand how better to invade the wi-fi systems on the airplanes, based on the concern they can use the internet, mobile phones for a few hours in their lives and not be susceptible to their surveillance set, there are documents that discuss ways to circumvent holes in the means to be able to communicate to one another privately in the nsa. it was not just the creation of the most pervasive in hist

the nsa is a military intelligence organization. not so long ago here in washington, there was not even a street sign that pointed to the national security agency, even when there was, the nsa no such agency, now there's a recognition that the ns ark is reaching deep into civil society. in terms of profound effect, not only with the society. but also within the u.s. economy. >> from both the recommendations from the review group and the opinion of judge leon, a few days earlier, is that both recognized that all of this scooping up data really did not thwart any terrorist attack, because if you are looking for a needle in a hay stack, why do you want to make the hay stack bigger? i don't think it's helped, and i don't think any of these two bodies that have looked a this helped, i think it violated the rights of a number of innocent people, who were there was no probable cause or even a reasonable suspicion that hay had done anything wrong. so the scooping up that has been going on over the last 12 years has been a huge problem. just

put the nsa to work.e sure they are listening in on the conversations that dennis rodman is having with kim jong-un. >> if you had a magical ear pose in his head, what would you want him to ask the leader of north korea? >> mr. kim jong-un, are you also talking to the iranians about the nuclear program or chinese or anybody or are you just busy executing all of your political oppons and even the uncle who put you in power? >> maybe dennis rodman is listening. >> thank you. >> think about the point? rodman having more face-to-face contact than anybody. >> putting the wrong pedal to the floor. sent the driver crashing through a store window, did you so that? >> megamillion jackpot is $700 million. how would you spend all of the dough. >> getting everything paid off. i like to travel and i wouldn't mind going somewhere warm like hawaii or the bahamas. i am ready for warmer weather already. . . . . . . . . . . . ♪ for auld lang syne >> where will you be on new year's eve this year? >> we start at 11:00 easter

so i'm perfectly happy to criticize the nsa. when i was in government 20 years ago i had my criticism. i'm not, other than the -- i'm not saying they couldn't tweak certain things, bull i'm not terrified that a bunch of people are conspiring to abuse people's privacy here in the united states. >> let's hope it's not filled with a lot of edward snowdens. we have an example. we only know about this because we have an example because of someone in the nsa sharing all of this information. why is the not a likely possibility in the future? >> there's two levels of kiran. one is whether people are using it inappropriately, doing the things you talked about that the fbi did and cia did in years past. the other is whether they're using it without adequate supervise. the fourth amendment says warrants shall not issue. it's up to both us as individuals, and to the cords to decide what is reasonable and what's not? it's always a balance. the judge said it was partly -- >> we'll see where that gets in higher courts. >>> containing the nsa,

then when the nsa found a lead they wanted to check up on, then the nsa would go do that.. >> have you to subsidize -- you're requiring a private company to create a large space. >> it's not just one company. it's three different companies. they hold that data in different shapes, different forms. so being able to quickly search that in a way that would really help nsa detect things with speed is a challenge. do i think that's the direction we're headed? i think so. judge leon's opinion certainly will urge that along just a bit. >> and the task force which included some law professors, some other civil liberty experts as well as counter-terror experts has recommended to the white house there be a separation of the leadership of cyber command, military leadership and nsa so nsa would be a civilian organization. the president may not be leaning that way, we're told. >> it's my understanding that is not what the president will decide. frankly, i know it is attractive to think we have to make it a less military organization to make it more observant of civil liberties. i think

but the meeting was about nsa. tech companies, apparently the founder of zinga, asked the president to pardon edward snowden, who's the consultant who leaked a lot of the documents and who's the reason why we're all here talking about it. but they really asked for reforms. and they have five things they want. including they want to be able to be a check on the system. they want to be able to say when they get asked by the government. so this is an important meeting where some tough things were said to the president about kind of the economic impact of the story. >> and what is been the economic impacts? >> we actually don't know. that's been a great question. what the companies have said is the trust. people's trust in us has gone down. they measure trust. and so trust with american consumers, but particularly international consumers. people don't believe that their messages and their information is safe. they might not have always believed it and that's one thing i want to ask cindy. do the tech companies have an

and working to improve the nsa and still working for the nsa right now they are the only ones who don't realize that tom did so many missing about the current reform efforts under way on capitol hill war and the courts or anything of that nature. wilson is that he clearly has his own views about often what he most wants to make sure is that there can be an open debate about that with full knowledge so. he was all in a secret court it was in on a very small committee of congress example. members of congress rely on their staffs there were there be the one in ten members of congress have the stanford was cleared for material at the level of secrecy. that stuff is kept from us and didn't understand much about what was going on i live. we spoke just before other good week for him that indicated many a time to his assertions that he has said all along he believes that some of the programs. yes they are illegal well. soon after we spoke a federal judge the first one to consider it an open court says. one of the main program to the nsa is unconstitutional are almost certainly unconstitutional

the nsa's collection of meta data may be over. don't know who will collect it or where the database will be stored in the future but a federal judge saying the program is unconstitutional and his own advisers, let's be honers, are most mostly -- this means the nsa won't be doing this anymore. if it operates, how will it operate in the future. it will be a private entity. members of congress will have questions about this, what are the controls on it, but it's a big blow to the nsa that they are no longer -- both a federal judge and a white house panel are saying we don't trust the nsa to collect the data anymore because the privacy points are too often. >> what does it say about edward snowden? wouldn't be having the kwugs quite frankly because -- this is about the nsa looking forward, not back, in terms of what edward snowden did. what's interesting. some of the invasion have been ignored. one is to change to the sieve of cyber command. it is interesting when you talk about the courthouse. look at this. rich plarkd in the white h

nsa, you've gone too far. >> reporter: to help restore u.s.redibility abroad, the panel suggests sweeping reforms, including striking agreements with allies such as france and germany on what spying among friends is acceptable and what is not. the panel says monitoring of foreign leaders by the new york the -- the nsa should require approval from the white house. a meeting of the country's largest tech companies met to say they flew to washington to voice their concern on government surveillance, hurting their bottom line abroad to the tune of $35 billion in lost business. several were frustrated with the white house's focus on the troubled healthcare.gov site. at that meeting sources say the president said one thing he is not considering is a pardon for nsa leaker edward snowden. i spoke to a senior administration official who told me the white house knows it has a trust gap both here at home with the american public but also overseas and that gap has cost to american businesses, to american credibility. now, the president's going to look at

it is the nsa themselves. throughout the documents there is a recognition that collecting that a data is the supreme priority of the agency, because it'd name owes the nsa to invade people's privacy more effectively than the interception of content. i think it is difficult to understand that in the abstract, but it is easy to understand with concrete examples. if you can imagine an example where a woman decides she wants to get an abortion, if you're listening in on her phone call what you will hear his her calling the clinic. the clinic will answer with a generic name. like eastside clinic or that. you will hear the woman who you decided to target for surveillance ask for an appointment tuesday at 2:00. get an appointment tuesday 2:00, and you'll have no idea why she called or even what the purpose was. but if you are collecting her metadata, you will see that she called. you will be able to identify it as an abortion clinic. you will know how many times she called the clinic. and you'll have exactly the info

this nsa review group ostensibly was to take a look at an independent expert review of what the nsa wasoing and think about ways in which could be better balance between individual rights and national security interests. i was part of that review process called the advisor may be a bit strong, but i was brought in to provide expert information about concerns that are clear and what they were doing. far, also clear day, thus have not released any information it would be me to believe that taken his concerns very seriously. in essence, what you have right now is a reaffirmation. just last week that the metadata collection, this notion -- the president is correct, he is not reading e-mails for he often. they're not listening to phone calls for he often. but they're collecting who you are in contact with, when you're in contact with the where you're located, all of this metadata around the actual content of your phone calls and e-mails. the nsa review group has concluded that that should continue. mind you, that was leaked on friday. on monday, federal judge said the exact same activity is

and there's far more scrutiny of the nsa. considering the nature of the threat against us, when you balance out the equities, it's clearly on the side of the nsa. >> i don't think any americans want to be unprotected when it comes to terrorist threats, but the issue is how do you go about that fairly and have people feel like their liberties are not being fringed upon. the district court judge said this, surely such a program infringes on that degree of privacy that the founders enshrined in the fourth amendment. so how do you do both? >> i think everyone's rights are being protected. no one's phone calls are being listened to by the nsa. there are no names or addresses. we have a list of phone number to phone number. the only time the nsa goes further than that is if an overseas terrorist has made a phone call into the united states. then you track down who that terrorist has spoken to. then they have to go to the justice department to go to court to get a warrant to tap conversations in the future. so the nsa cannot do anyt

the nsa approached the network on it. we asked the network to comment but the network didn't respond. the new york post said he is set to return to annal intelligence position with the nsa back where he belongs. >>> a million nor weej answer had a fun friday night. they watched a program about knitting, then talk, then actual knitting. the killer ratings a knitting marathon, are the latest called slow tv. it started a few years back when norway's public tv channel nrk, decided to broadcast credit railroad travel. there's no story line no script no drama no climax. since then norwegians have taken up a journey up the coast. it sounds boring because it is. but something about the tv experience has gripped norwegians. we have sent marcel la to watch, following images in the following report, warning, may be spoig. be disappointing. >> it's a contemporary value, that it needs to be built on strong narrative. >> family larsen. >> which means you need some kind of a conflict. >> i'm telling everyone i'm not happy. >> under you

>> the nsa is not commenting. apple released a statement this morning saying apple has never worked with the nsa to create a backdoor into any of our products, including the iphone. initially we've been unaware of this alleged nsa program targeting our products. we care deeply about our customers privacy and security, jim. >> and it's interesting, evan, because i was at the white house the other day when the hi-tech firms were coming through, the ceos. a lot of folks were saying, most of them privately we're just as concerned about this as our customers. because a lot of people out there are hearing about these disclosures and saying wait a minute, maybe we can't do much about the nsa but we can direct our anger at these hi-tech companies. >> you know, the billions of dollars are the an stake here. you're talking about companies that depend on china, depend on the markets in europe and elsewhere for a lot of their business. and they're very concerned that people will stop buying their products and perhaps go to a

the panel said to urge nsa curbs. we've seen some reporting on it. that panel? are you expecting anything meaningful initiated by the white house itself in response? >> i think the white house will. i think barack obama knows politically he needs to. probably he knows as a lawyer and human being that something needs to be done. on the other hand, he gets access to all that material, and sometimes the presidency, just like the chairman and ranking members of the committees, kind of get taken over by the establishment. maybe it's because they hear the data and the information and they think we've got to do this for the country, and maybe they've been snowed, snowdened. i don't know which, but it happens. and i don't know, you know, i just -- committee, it could go to their committee or my committee judiciary, and i don't think chairman goodelot will give a hearing anyway, so we have a problem getting a hearing. >> i think what we saw today is the judicial decision, now that the standing has been overcome, we'll see a lot more decisions like this. congr

, only nsa officials.ition says they still want snowden sent back by the russians and prosecuted in federal court. >>> now to the roots of homegrown terrorists, startling new investigation into the accused boston marathon bombers and why they turned to violence that suggests that personal problems may have been more of a motivator than any extremist views. brian todd is looking into the story and has the details. >> reporter: wolf, the "boston globe" said the brothers' personal failures and tamerlan tsarnaev's mental illness may have been the most significant factors in that plot. serious mental health problems, including possibly schizophrenia, personal failures and a sense his life was spiraling down and out of control, all may be factors, according to a new report in the "boston globe" that led tamerlan tsarnaev to plan and carry out the boston bombings. >> the parents talk about him hearing voices. he tells a friend who is somebody he goes to mosque with that there are voices in him telling him what to

"wow, "60 minutes" piece about nsa was just embarrassing. kudos to nsa communication staff. you guys should get a raise." joining us a ryan lizza and michael, senior media reporter for huffington post and, ryan, let's start with that tweet. i wasn't watching "60 minutes" so it was your tweets that made me curious. why a win for nsa and a loss for viewers? >> the reciporter who did it number one. nothing wrong with that experience who is now obviously a journalist doing the report, right? he's got access. he's got knowledge of the system. you have to judge it by final product and if you're going to have someone who has a conflict of interest like that do the report, it has to be tough. we're in the middle of a massive debate in in country about privacy and security and the entire piece was a one-sided show for the nsa to get their message out with not a lot of pushback on some of the pr that came out of the mouth of the director of the nsa. >> were you surprised we heard from no outside voices in that piece? >> it was strange. afterwards in the cbs overtime john miller says t

the nsa carries meta data logs of every phone number dialed by u.s.hone customers and dumps it into an enormous data. so much data the nsa is building a new facility in utah to store it all. keith alexander defends the collection and skre ecrecy. >> we're not trying to hide it from the american people or from you but to hide it from those who walk among you who are trying to kill you. >> they only check the database when they have a lead tied to a specific phone number. but the judge said that data collecting is indiscriminate and arbitrary invasion of privacy. i'm not convinced the nsa's database has ever truly served the purpose. there's a ruling that said phone customers have no privacy interest in their calling records. the judge said that's been eclipsed by technology. >> it's ultimately going to be a decision for the court of apeels of the supreme court to decide anyway. what this one judge decides today is a conversation starter not a stopper. >> but it's a victory for a washington, d.c. lawyer. >> meta data is information which allows the gove

program resulted in only 12 tips last year to the fbi and no record of successful cases. >> the nsa has run amok because it's been systematically violating the right of privacy of millions of innocent americans. >> reporter: the review panel was formed in the wake of the revelations of edward snowden and his supporters say today's report shows the importance of his actions. >> it's a complete vindication of everything that he said and what caused him to come forward as a whistle blower. >> reporter: the tide seems to be turning in public sentiment about the nsa program. this parody christmas video produced by the aclu mocking the nsa has been seen almost a million times online in just six days. ♪ the nsa is coming to town >> reporter: of the 46 recommendations, the president has already rejected one of them, that a civilian, not someone from the military should run the nsa. the president says he will decide on the others by next month, now on the spot over whether to kill a program that he said many times has saved american lives. diane? >> we'll have the answer by the end of next m

a federal judge rules the nsa's collection of our phone records is likely illegal. expect the case to reach the supreme court. mega maenaa, could we be headed for a $1 billion christmas eve jackpot? we have details. and rock 'n' roll hall of fame welcomes a whole new class of great artists and bands. plus, it's just another day for a couple of french dare devils getting a better view of the alps. frightening just to look at. good morning, everyone. all right. so tens of millions of people are in the path of yet another winter storm. and remember, the season doesn't officially begin until this saturday. in toledo, ohio, though, you're looking at a preview of what's moving east on its way to the i-95 corridor. the nasty snow, sleet and ice koim pact millions of travelers today and into wednesday morning. and timing is critical here. especially when et comit comes h hour traffic. bill karins is here tracking this storm. i see lots of colors there. >> that means it is cold. one to two inches of snow doesn't sound like a big deal. when you have the issues, it's 28 in fil

going to the nsa tnd the companies nomt wants the nsa to snoop into the customers of facebook and googleen and we may not know for some time. i mean keep in mind the president appointed an advisory group to basically give him some recommendations on what to do about what is happening over at the nsa and some pretty big names are involved in that group. former white house official richard clark among others. that report was delivered to the president last friday. he's rue viewing it. that report will not be relea released, carol, until potentially late january and that is when the president is expected to issue some recommendations. it's unclear whether or not there will be settle restraint or whether or not the president will order some kind of change over there, but keep in mind. there's a lot of people calling for changes, not just the executives of these tech companies, not just a federal judge who says that these collections of phone records may be unconstitutional. you have lawmakers up on capitol hill. the entire spectrum from bernie sanders all the way over to rand paul saying som

. >>> the startling advice being given to the white house over the nsa spying programs. that advice -- stop it, at least stop doing it like you are. a panel of outside experts hand-picked by the white house is urging the president to rein in the nsa's wide ranging data dragnet and restructure how the nsa is collecting logs of phone calls. all told, 46 recommendations in their report. chief national security correspondent jim sciutto has a look at what the panel said and the potential impact. >> reporter: the headline here is one of the panel members told me is accountability and that is accountability for the nsa to congress, to the white house, and to the public. you see that reflected in these 46 recommendations. for instance, they recommend that congress pass legislation to move all of that phone data from the nsa's hands back to the phone companies to private hands where the nsa can access it when they need to, but they don't hold it all the time. in terms of the white house, they recommend that at the highest there level there must be improolve when the nsa is liste

. >>> what reason could the nsa have for this? they feared that terrorists and other criminals would use games to plot attacks. >> that does make sense, how islamic terrorists do like to be surrounded by 72 virgins. boom. oh, yeah. >> you know, it sounds like gross overkill to me but what do i know? maybe there is a logical reason why the nsa is spying on millions of gamers playing world of warcraft and dungeons and dragons. with us right now on the dry side, to put all of this in perspective are jonathan windel who is called the world's most accomplished gamer with us tonight from kansas city. well, from miami, dave is a former nsa, he's not a space guy. he's a spy guy. a former scientist that runs his own hacking company right now called immunity incorporated. so you first. why would they be looking at gamers? why are they probing gamers? >> you know, i don't really think there's you really a big reason why they would follow us gamers. it doesn't make a lot of sense. if i were a terrorist i would find way better ways to communic

there's nothing in this for the nsa. they have not abused this, are not using it for political purposes, they're not going after anyone. they are doing it to save american lives and it has worked. that's what general clapper was trying to protect. as far as rand paul, i think he's also absolutely terrible, when he was comparing general clapper to edward snowden, a four star general who is dedicating his life to his country to a guy who is a traitor and deserter? rand paul again does not know what he's talking about. he also on another show once was saying the nsa follows him and knows everything he's doing. the guy's having delusions of grandeur. no one really cares what he's doing. >> strong opinions, congressman peter king. we appreciate you coming on to share them with us. >> thank you. happy new year. >> you, too. >>> next, stocks have soared and the economy may be on its way back but most americans say they don't feel it. some are about to feel a lot more pain. >>> coming up, a python on the loose after strangling a

nsa is a foreign intelligence agency. those actions. we do our to connect what we know about foreign intelligence to what is going on here in the united rates. we need -- united states. we need tools and i will talk briefly about some of those tools like section 2.15. in my opinion, and in the core cost opinion, they are constitutional and legal stuff they are necessary and it benefit us. for my perspective the threats are growing. when we look at what is going on in iraq and syria, the number of people who were killed from one september -- from september to december is three times the terrorist actions in other countries around the world. in iraq alone, in 2012, the total number of killed -- people killed was 2400. that has risen to 2200 plus in the three-month period. conflict in the middle east is growing anthrax to last run terrorist activity -- and threats to us from terrorist activity is growing. we cannot go back to a pre-9/11 world. >> i agree with that. we have to find out the best way for our nation to defend ourselves and our