of approval by the way of the nsa. the nsa is a crip tollingal agency, experiments at making and breaks codes and we know of instances of the agency putting a recommendation or an endorsement on a product sold commercially they know to be flawed in way that only the nsa thinks it understands. this would be sort of like if the nsa -- the government was marketing a particular kind of door lock and aid said everybody in america buy this look for your front door can't be penetrate, but the nsa has the key for the lock and it's not a key that is particularly well hidden. someone else could find it. too. i argue that the agency's mission to dominate cyber space are actually making cyber space less safe for all of us and putting it at risk. all of this has emerged with practically no debate and very little reporting. this conjunction of a huge war-fighting machine with a growing technology industry is, as president eisenhower described, the military industrial complex of a previous generation, quote, new in the american exper

approval by of the nsa. the nsa are experts in making making and breaking codes and we know of instances in which the agency has been putting a recommendation or an endorsement on a product sold commercially that they know to be flawed in a way that only the nsa thinks it understands. this would be sort of like if the nsa -- if the government was marketing a particular kind of door lock and said everybody in america buy this look for your front door. can't be penetrate, but the nsa has a key for that lock, and i actually is not a key that is particularly well hidden. someone else can find it, too. so i argue that these efforts of the agency undertaking as its -- to dominate cyberspace are actually making cyberspace less safe for us and put us at risk. all of this has emerged this story i right about in the book with practically no debate. and with actually very little reporting in public commentary. this conjunction of a huge war-fighting machine with a growing technology industry is i income as president ei

citizens became targets of the nsa.at happened like within weeks after they started bringing in equipment. and so i wanted to go back and look at how the war on terroror was unfolding here. and surveillance is what happened. and you have it particularly in the muslim american community where people, you know, they were -- you know they sent in people to find out what was happening. to me that's a scary thing. as we know from the history of -- you know, people who become targets. surveillance is a really powerful target tool to use against people. or if you think of the -- the film "selma" where you have surveillance being used in the civil rights movement. >> i want to quote -- i wrote this down, make sure i got this right. what you said momentsh3iiñ ago its a powerful statement. but one of your subject said, "every dictatorship down through history has always done thatment one of the first things they need to do is try to acquirelç9%Ñ knowledge of their population. and that's exactly when these programs do. i see this

how do you curb the nsa's authority that area. so president obama took some steps to change how the nsa handles that data but. maltly they want to remove the reformers in congress so leahy, senator ron widen, and others would like to remove the nsa's control of that, that database. >> short of large-scale comprehensive nsa reform i think one thing that could be prepared to move is reform of the electronic communications privacy act which got a tremendous amount of support in the house. a bill that would essentially update the nation's laws when it comes to e-mail privacy requiring potentially warrants for law enforcement to get access to e-mail files. this is something that i think a lot of people would potentially support, in the senate as well. if we can't get something like comprehensive nsa reform bill done perhaps something more like that could be palatable. >> if they get to the floor that would have the support it needs to pass. the question is could it get to the floor? it had a majority of the house supporting it this pas

[applause] >> i'm delighted to be known as the good nsa as opposed to the bad nsa. we realize the name of our organization when it is reduced to an acronym is confusing. many people here national security archive and believe that we are the library of the cia. i have to tell them we are the antithesis, the good nsa. we have a revolutionary slogan. documents are death. that distinguishes me quickly from anybody thinking that i am undercover cia posing as an archivist. i'm going to talk about the bay of pigs and the efforts to get that material declassified through a question-and-answer between me and brenda. what i wanted to talk about this morning is the chapter on kennedy in the new book. back channel to cuba. and his back channels to cuba. you will find the book contains more be jealous that any other place on this rather fascinating history. the kennedy assassination has intrigued us all. it intrigues me as a historian of u.s. cuban relations for many reasons. one of which is that this ministry that efforts to reject the fidel castro is so counter to the known im

that is the main debate, how do you address that, how do you curb the nsa's authority. president obama took voluntary steps to change how they nsa handles that data, but ultimately they want to remove the reformers in congress. leahy, senator ron wyden, and others would like to remove the nsa's control of that vast database. >> short of large-scale, comprehensive nsa reform, the one thing they could be prepared to move is electronic communications privacy act. it got a terminus amount of support this past year in the house. it is a bill that would essentially update the nation's laws when it comes to e-mail privacy and requiring potentially warrants for law enforcement to get access to e-mail files. this is something that a lot of people would potentially support. if we can't get something like comprehensive nsa reform, hipaa reform could be a palatable move. >> if it could get to the floor it would have support to pass. it had a majority of the house supporting at the past year, but it never came to the floor. some people in congress are hesitant to bring it up because

he says nsa surveillance was much more expansive. >> the nsa doesn't limit itself to foreign intelligence it. collects all communications that transit the united states. they're getting everyone's calls and call records and everyone's internet traffic as well. kennedy: and they're in bed with the dea. why does this matter? because it's still happening. the feds are still tracking you and the dea specifically is not keeping you safe from terrorists. now hopefully it will become a huge issue in the 2016 presidential race as long shot senator marco rubio is planning on making it the jewel in his crown of bloated surveillance lust. rubio wants congress to keep lying and spying and wants the multitentacled reach by make the programs permanent. dianne feinstein worried cia drones were watching her, and rand paul has promised to blow any unconstitutional unmanned craft from the sky with his handy shotgun. somehow it's legal for law enforcement to expand their information gathering drone programs which collect a lot more than license plate numbers, yet at this year's super bowl, it say drone-free

former nsa contractor edward snowden sparked last year. the president wanted an outside group to see if there was an alternative to bulk data collection. the research group concluded there is not, especially when the nsa wants to investigate the past communication of a new terror suspect. >>> the united states and britain plan to stage joint

the "times" report says the nsa started breaching north korea's hacking networks back in 2010. the north koreans have denied hacking sony but this report says u.s. intelligence agencies were able to track it back so quickly because of the monitoring they had done for at least a few years. tonight, kim jong-un knows how the u.s. government came to point the finger at him for the sony cyberattack. >> we can confirm that north korea engaged in this attack. >> reporter: how could the president be so confident just a few weeks after sony had been hacked? the "new york times" reports the national security agency america's super-secret eavesdroppers, had infiltrated north korea's shadowy cyberwarriors since 2010. >> it appears that what happened was nsa established footholds in various parts of north korea's computer infrastructure. they basically established footholds in the chinese region and they apparently established

hombres y mujeres que trabajan para la cia, el fbi y la nsa.ados por funcionarios del gobierno, y a sobre quienes el congreso se hizo de la vista gorda. para reestablecer la confianza, es necesario comenzar de cero. >> tanto el presidente barack obama como snowden creen que este debate es positivo. pero mientras el diÁlogo avanza, ¿quÉ es lo que se puede cambiar realmente? si algo nos queda claro respecto a una y otra parte es cuÁn firmes son sus convicciones. >> estamos muy lejos de dar por terminados nuestros reportajes. aÚn falta mucho que decir. >> la gente parece estar recogiendo fragmentos de reportajes noticiosos o de los medios que realmente no le hacen justicia a lo que estÁ haciendo la cia realmente, o cuÁl es nuestra funciÓn. >> la gente a veces nos describe como si fuÉramos archienemigos de la labor de inteligencia, de la vigilancia, de la nsa. >> como funcionarios, nosotros juramos proteger y defender la constituciÓn. y proteger informaciÓn confidencial es parte de eso. >> lo mÁs raro es que la cia y la nsa se sienten quemadas. en

>> well of course the nsa didn't share that with me.to have been a very very high priority for them. basically, we have been in intense negotiations and disputed over the intelligence with regard to their nuclear programs for well over a decade. it wouldn't surprise me if they had heavy monitoring. i certainly hope the nsa was doing this and more. >> i assume this technology really helped the united states in terms gathering intelligence on north korea, right? >> this is the bread and butter of intelligence. what we could call plans and intents. you look at the programs that the u.s. is interested in nuclear, there's a significant ballistic missile program in north korea. there's three things you want to know about. number one, what's going on today? number two, can i introduce software? remember years ago when we disrupted i think it was the u.s. in israel the nuclear program. can we disrupt what's going on today? in the event of conflict can we shut down the programs? this is critically important. >> here is the question if the u.s. h

i think if the nsa should be doing anything probably it should be spying on north korea. but, you know, i find it instructive that we are using the sony attack to push, once again, for cyber-security legislation, for harsher penalties and for more information-sharing with the government. and now we see in this case that the government indeed the nsa has really about as much information about that attack as you could want. >> but they just weren't paying attention. >> act open it in a timely fashion. yeah. i think causes us to ask do we need to be giving them more information or do they need to get better about using the information they have and sharing it with the private sector. >> what about the danger imposed by infiltrating civilian networks? >> one of the things discussed in the der spiegel story as has been discussed in previous reporting, it's one thing when nsa says we're going to implant malwear on the networks of north korean intelligence, that's all their job and in the game. but we found that in order to preserve their ability to get any communication in the

nsa saw it and kind of piggy packed on that attack. are other smart people in the world who don't work at nsa, so you have to ask, isn't it possible that by planting these back doors, by implanting malware in something like 100,000 people around the world, it may not be the nsa that ends up using it be it russia or china, or cyber criminals who kind a way to exploit those vulnerability. so very seriously consider the security risks they are created. >> jillian thank you very much. . >>> in kenya police in nairobi fired tear gas at a group of children. the children had just returned to school after a two-day teacher's strike. most of the children were between the ages of 8 and 13. at least were ten were injured. >>> now to afghanistan. suicide amongst soldiers are on the rise. for many afghan soldiers sigma of mental illness gets in the way of help. >> reporter: in kabul's only specialist military ptsd unit this soldier wants to go back to the battlefield. >> translator: you are in a hospital, not a prison the doctor tells him. tell the

basically we are are putting nsa at the top of our hacking concerns. the tech companies are in a difficult position which is they are in the u.s. and they have to comply with the law. they seem to be legitimately outraged. there was a lot of covert stuff going on. they were complying with the secret court orders on the front end but they were unaware that the stuff was going on in the back end. >> does the current supreme court understand enough about technology to make effective privacy rulings? [laughter] she has the most tech-savvy justice and she remembers playing pond as a kid. >> i have to say i went to hear the usb coe-jones or argument and there was this great moment where chief justice roberts said wade you mean they can track my car with a gps? so i think they are starting to wake up to this. how can you live in today's world and not be aware that this is transmitting all the time? >> they are reading briefs and they are understanding the subject. do you have to be tech-savvy or basically the principles are broad enough you can un

so you need nsa and others to have patterns where they can detect bad things. to have those organizations do it you're going to get campus code speech codes on steroids. >> but john, on the other hand, the boston bombers were one group that learned how to use their bombs from a website apparently, they learned how to create one of their bombs, their deadly bombs, by the way, from one of these jihady websites. >> and it's track jij but there's no way in the world we live you're going to keep information getting to other people. there's all sorts of inflammatory rhetoric on the internet but 99.999% of it never leads to violence. so the idea that we can somehow block out the certain few that are going to communicate on it is just not a credible concept. you're not going to succeed in reducing terrorism by blocking the internet. >> when we see a website like the stuff that inspire, that al qaeda website has that tells you how to make bombs, should we leave that up for the nuts to use it and kill people? >> actually i think we should and here is why. i think terrori

>> y give nsa the data -- you give nsa the data and then run it?t thinking. >> they have the keys to the kingdom. whatever he is cooking up his right in their but we cannot read it -- is right in there but we cannot read it. >> my whole correspondence is here but there is no way the login is active. >> i am not going to use that login. >> is the nsa discovers the intrusion, are you sure you want to do this? >> fbi cannot explain after the fact? >> you get discovered, you are dead meat. you know that, don't you? >> you are watching the clip intently at my table. you are thinking, what? you have seen this a thousand times. >> at least. >> are you watching it with fresh eyes in anyway? >> when the acting is right, you can get it again and again and again. the biggest problem with viola davis is the editors want to cut to her all the time. she is so great. >> what does this mean good? >> she starts where she is so self-critical. we would do a take. >> and she is happy and you are not. >> what it is really out of the park, we both know it. she is just,

now he arrives at the nsa. it's reminiscent of the scene. it's going down all these levels they go into an elevator and produce a elevator takes them deeper and deeper and deeper into the earth. it's one of those undercover outposts called continuity of government. here is where the vice president would be whisked to ensure the survival of the government fell under attack. on the other hand president would stay at home at the white house under attack. [laughter] it was a small sweep with all of the standards of the food rations in emergency communications agreement knowing that he might want to spend weeks or months writing up a survival of the united states they added a few personal comfort. the entire works of rush limbaugh for his favorite hunting rifle and a list of major public national committee donors would be per year highest in the search and rescue operations with the nation emerged from an apocalypse. this is what the vice president wanted you to see. they enter a massive room brilliantly lit and air-conditioned entities all the r

says these attacks are proof that the nsa is here to stay. probably in this environment. is that a bad thing? what do you think? >> no. i don't think it's a bad thing at all. obviously you want to make sure that nsa has and operates under the right privacy and constitutional safeguards, but what this shows us is that nsa's mission is vital. it's absolutely here to stay. the reports of its death are, quite frankly greatly exaggerated. neil: that bothers a lot of free speech advocates. they immediately say well they'll just go back to their own overspying ways. is there a balance in this environment? do people even care now? >> you have to watch the pendulum swinging from one side to the other. we tend to like one extreme than another. i think in this particular situation it's clear that some degree of surveillance will be necessary in order to catch people like the paris attackers, to catch people who are going after sony, for example and to catch people who are doing other nefarious things such as the home depot attack or the jpmorgan attack,

the nsa does not monitor private networks in the united states. i know that comes as a shock to most. they are not monitoring private sector networks. it is against the law. they do not do it. that is 85% of the networks. so, they come back with some pretty interesting stuff. by the way, the private sector can share with you. that is really important. when they see anomalies, they can fire it back, and the nsa can see it __ that is bad. right now, they cannot do that. though a chance that we have now is that an fbi and agent knocks on someone's door and says, i do not know if you know this or not, it i was the government and i can help you. that is too late. this spreads out the ability to do that. now, the private sector __ high up in the distribution chain, if you will __ at the provider level, can protect itself from really nasty stuff. then, you have this mutual sharing. so, if north korea were to sample someone else, someone sees it, shares it back to the nsa __ they look at it and say this is a problem, and shared back out in a classified wa

the guardian meanwhile has published a new report based on snowden documents which show the nsa's british counterpart, gchq, collected the emails of reporters as part of its bulk spying operations. emails from the bbc, reuters the guardian, the new york times, nbc, the washington post and the french newspaper le monde were saved and shared with staff on the agency's intranet as part of a test exercise. the agency also listed "investigative journalists" as a threat alongside terrorists or hackers.

. >> reporter: the nsa began spying on the computer networks after becoming increasingly concerned that the regime was bolstering its teams of hackers. kim jong-un's government has a secretive hacking team called bureau 121 and a larger cyberbranch called the reconnaissance general bureau commanded by a former bodyguard for kim's father and grandfather. >> one of the things the north koreans have done is built up effective and strong teams with skills and training designed simply to break into computers and destroy them and also to gather intelligence. >> reporter: if the u.s. intelligence community knew kim's hackers were building their capabilities did anyone in the u.s. government warn sony that it could be attacked? north korea had warned as early as last june that it considered sony's movie "the interview" an

recently and i think we may hear a lot more from people who will advocate for greater surveillance greater nsa programs than we have seen already expanding those, which is not the right move a, because they haven't been proven to be effective, that spying on and collecting phone call information on every single american is effective in capturing terrorists but it also weakens our ability to focus our resources on those who pose a direct threat. i think this has been a problem that we have seen in the boston bomber attack for example, that we have seen in paris, where people fall through the cracks because our resources are not focused on those who are planning these attacks and who do pose that direct threat. >> congresswoman, i want you to

right there it deep in the bowels of the nsa where no one would notice. nick noticed everyone's business. so clandestine that even president bush can keep on it. unless you have the fortitude and the magnifying glass to find a three-point italicized entry within the supporting projection of the department of agriculture and the deputy secretary office of the assistant deputy secretary for school lunch programs, division of compliance and education and outreach miscellaneous. the leadership of congress is vaguely informed about that just enough of a ghost that they would feel as if they were in the know without knowing anything at all. the last thing the country needed was a pesky federal judge deciding the constitutional right to privacy was more important than the nation's need for security. nick was one of the most potent offenses in the antiterrorist arsenal. program to follow tens of millions of lives in real time assessing patterns of behavior and predicting threats to the nation. nick was the ultimate employer with insatiable curiosity and a ravenou

developing code like this requires the elite programmers, so elite teams at the nsa. the edward snowden documents have pointed to the teams designed to do deep espionage and what is called cna computer attacks. the us cyber command is an umbrella. >> host: kim zetter, where did the name come from? >> guest: it was dubbed by microsoft. they can mind essentially two names of two separate files into one word. >> host: so private corporations were also participating in this correct? >> guest: house so? >> host: you said microsoft. >> guest: yes, microsoft was working to help design the attack but multiple antivirus firms and security research labs were taking it apart. microsoft focused on zero day. it had to examine, figure out the vulnerabilities and release patches. >> host: what was the effect? >> guest: it had two different payloads. it has the carrier and then the payload. stuxnet had to payloads, one designed to close valves on centrifuges in order to trap gas. when that occurred the gas would condense and become more of a solidified mass which would throw the cent

they don't want to share with the nsa and fbi and the president suggests they have to do that and itld help them protect themselves. what do you hear your customers starting to say? >> i sat with the director for three and a half years and i remember when i would go out and visit companies and people would bring up the nsa or some type of information gathering would come up and i would say you've got to realize the good about being an fbi agent. you have to balance trying to stop that from happening and put bad people away. but it's the only organization that is there to safeguard your civil liberties. think about you being in that job and saying i want to try to stop that thing but we need access to information. we have to empower some organizations to go after people who want to do harm to americans come in to our allies and to our businesses. next there is an old "new yorker " story that says there's more new york city police officers and fbi agent. i sure to think about what their capabilities are to fight hyper terrorism. does the fbi have enough resources? >> the new york city

those companies don't want to have to share with the nsa or fbi. president is suggesting they have to do that. it would help them protect themselves. where do you hear your customers ? >> i sat with the director for 3.5 years. ira member when i would go out and visit companies and people would bring up nsa or some type of information gathering. you have to realize you think about being an fbi agent, you have to balance trying to stop bad things from happening, try to put that people away but it's the only organization there to safeguard your liberties. you say i want to stop bad things we need access to information. if we are going to live in a safer world, we are going to be able to go after those people who want to do harm to americans and our allies and businesses. >> i was reading a story saying there are more new york police officers then fbi. i think about what their capabilities are to fight cyber tyre is a. -- cyber terrorism. >> the new york city police have more police officers in the city than all of employees at the fbi. we are a very s

i was talking to someone in the cyber security world about hiring at the nsa.rson told me he came from there and said if you walk out of the best school in america with an engineering degree, it used to be you work in the nuclear program. you would work for the government. now you walk out of school and facebook and google are standing in line of the graduation ceremony to give you a job. are those the people that the faa cannot get a hold up to make the decisions about what could work and what would be safe in the world of drones? >> maybe, there are some interest groups trying to foster a good conversation. the young people in their 20's and early 30's that are down with this technology have many opportunities. not just the google and amazon of the world. also wall street. i read "flash boys." the high-frequency programming code jobs are similar to dealing with data streams and robots. it's a great time to be a young high-tech programmer. >> that is a great tech book. a fantastic one. fantastic as always, john leonard, thank you very much. this is your second

one issue that is ticked off both right and left is the nsa. senator bob corker of tennessee came out and said in wake of this paris attack, obama's nsa needs a bit more power. we should amp up our spying. do you agree with that? it seems obama's nsa has a lot of spying power already. >> this is undoubtedly going to end up at the supreme court. justice scalia saying i think it's probably coming our way. we're waiting on a ruling based out of the second circuit here in new york, they heard a case last fall, and there was this discussion from the judge, a lot of skepticism from the three who heard it saying you're telling us the government needs all of these phone records, what about you going after someone's bank records, credit card records knowing where you spend your money and what yo i do? if we give you this, how much further are you going to go? so i think, undoubtedly, this is going to the supreme court and that may be where we get our final ruling on this. >> e. mac, i talked to a former or federal prosecutor under the bush administratio

and raising questions what the nsa knew and why sony was not warned and the major reason why the nsa hack. >>> despite what some thought was a career ending injury. lindsey vonn made history with a 2015 world cup victory finishing in a super-g event in italy. her boyfriend, tiger woods, surprised her at the finish line. the previous record of 62 wins belonged to an austrian skier and it stood for 35 years. what a comeback! >> talk about historic. >> wow! >> it had stood for 35 years. imagine that a record that had previously not been beat for that long. amazing. >> and done by somebody who has blown out her knee more than once. >> we've had painful knees, we unite with you, lindsey vonn. well done. >> you're like never the same and she comes back and good or better than before. that's a hero. >>> with threats of terrorism rising across europe moderate muslim leaders are speaking out. are there enough muslim voices denouncing extremism? we'll dig deeper next. i've been called a control freak... i like to think of myself as more of a control... enthusiast. mmm, a perfect 177-degrees. a

was on "morning joe" regarding the private collection of private information being collected by the nsaou. let's play it. >> that metadata doesn't look all that scary this morning, and i wouldn't be surprised if the french services pick up cell phones associated with the attack and ask the americans, where have you seen these phones active globally? and so we're going to have to continue to struggle with that balance between keeping ourselves safe and keeping our privacy protected. >> and you've already responded in great detail there, but i mean, i'm sure you understand at least some of that sentiment that people who don't want their personal information horded in by the nsa but also want to protect us from incidents like we're watching in paris. >> well tamron i was one of the lead co-sponsors or sponsors of preventing a, if you will back impact on americans in their conversations with foreigners in terms of those foreigners being suspicious. but i do accept what michael hayden said is that we have to strike a balance. we are in a different kind of war, and i want to safeguard the ame

carol, we think of the nsa as all seeing. those most threatening groups to the u.s. would have a way around that surveillance. >> jim, thank you so much. i want to focus now more on the missed opportunities to prevent the attacks on the offices of "charlie hebdo." back in 2005 cherif kouachi was arrested as he prepared to commit violent jihad. he was then convicted and given a sentence of ten years in prison but he only served three years before he was released. kouachi seemingly fell off the radar for french intelligence only to be seen again when he and his brother said committed one of the worst terror attacks france has ever experienced. let's talk about this. i'm joined by mark houser a university editor at robert morris university. he med cherif kouachi's lawyer while report on counterterrorism in europe back in 2005. welcome. >> thanks form having me on the show carol. >> thanks for being here. we appreciate it. at the time you wrote you were surprised that kouachi was let out of prison for only three years. why did fr

a response to the comedy the interview, according to the "new york times," the nsa hacked into northean computers as early as 2010. let's go to barbara star. many found it uncharacteristic that the u.s. would name north korea as the culprit, but we are getting an idea perhaps of why they did if this report is true. >> exactly right. the "new york times" reporting that it gone back in 2010 when the national security agency the u.s. crypt logic eavesdropping part of the government began a very secret program. # north korea's access goes through china. the u.s. secretly inserted mal wear into the chinese system allowing them to monitor what the north koreans were up to. in 2o 10 this was clearly all about trying to get as much as they account and figuring out how the hacking program which was quite substantial was working and how it moved through the system and out into cyberspace. all accounts this is what drew them to understand. # it was so precise. how could they have known it. this was the root that led them to come to the understanding. it was unclear because most of the activity

whether it is criminal, fbi, or a nationstate, cyber command of the nsa.an't have companies escalate us into a crisis. i think with the administration and government has put out today is in fact, the correct approach. the companies can do more to protect their networks, that's something we should discuss. >> we will get there in a moment. if you are a corporate ceo these of the people you now advise, you have to share their frustrations. should you have to wait for the nsa, perhaps, or for the fbi to respond? and if so, how long does that take? when sony gets hacked, arguably by the north koreans, and perhaps not do you really have to wait around for the u.s. government to take action? >> know, in fact, you bring out a great point. there are three things we have to do. we have to help companies have better cyber security. we need cyber legislation. and we need an international set of relationships and a deterrent strategy with our realities -- our allies that can block this. we need a national initiative in this area. it's not where you would have the comp

donahue the nsa contact. >> if nsa discovers the intrusion you sure you want to do this. >> fbi can'texplain after the fact. >> you locate this guy you're okay, you get discovered, ir's dead meat. you know that, don't you? >> rose: now you watching this clip intently sitting at my table. are you thinking what? you have seen this a thousand times. >> at least. >> rose: at least. >> yeah. >> rose: but are you watching it with fresh eyes in any way? >> i'm marveling at the fact that when something, when the acting is right chris and viola, that you can watch it, you can get it again and again and again. biggest problem with viola davis is that all my editors want to cut to her all the time. she is so great. >> rose: that good. >> she's so good. >> rose: what does that mean good. >> she just-- she-- it starts with she's so self-critical you know. i mean we do a take after it is really good and she's andry. >> rose: you're happy and she's not. >> i maybe said that is a pretty good take, when it is really is out of the park. we both know t okay. and she is just something somebody get viola

google struck up a relationship with the nsa in 2010 after it was hacked by chinese spies where they agree much like the defense contractors to share information they are seeing on the networks in turn for the nsa providing information to them. so defending cyberspace and also spying in it and attacking in it has become a cooperative effort between the government and intelligence community and its partners in the technology industry. that is what i'm referring to when a write about the military internet complex this coming together of these two powerful forces. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> rory fanning, a former army ranger who served with pat tillman in afghanistan and left the army as a consciences objector a few days after pat tillman's death, sits down with anand gopal, auth

three letters, nsa. this is "way too early." ♪ ♪ i found myself a cheerleader ♪ you don't like that song? i love that song. thank you, sir. we are cheerleaders this morning. who do you like, the patriots or the seahawks? >> seahawks! >> seahawks. >> seahawks. >> jen? >> patriots. >> all right. mixed bag around here this morning, everybody. yeah mixed bag. good morning, i'm thomas roberts. january 19th. welcome to "way too early." we are a cheerleader for one team. we begin with the stage set for the super bowl xlix, seahawks versus the patriots and some seahawks fans had left the stadium when they won against the packers. seattle had trailed by as many as 16 points during that game. they had to overcome five turnovers, now they'll face off against the new england patriots who beat the colts 45-7. and here's some reaction from the wins. >> you know, we worked hard to get to this point. it's hard to compare year to year, every situation is different. so we have a lot of good teams in the past. you know, th

the nsa's telephone surveillance program that collects both data about every call that we make.you call your lawyer, your doctor your clergy that's tracked. and there are two cases that are right now challenging the constitutionality of that program. whether this violates our fourth amendment rights to be free from unnecessary government searches and seizures. do we as a society expenditure the governmenting to investigating all the calls we make? the answer is absolutely not. >> do you see any chance of backing up from where we are on this or is it going to be full steam ahead? is it too late to go back? >> i don't think it's too late to go back. we've had a number of reports from the government saying that some of these programs are ineffective. and while it might be difficult to find other ways to find this information, we have to protect not only fourth amendment rights to this country but it also implicates our first amendment rights of free speech. if their calls are being monitored, in a democracy that cannot be the case. >> mr. roam this is a party that cross et cetera p

the fbi has been good with help from the nsa. knowing about the plans and hearing who they are before the plot is activated. the french are good at this too. this time they were not. but, the point is sometimes you're going to miss. you can't be the goalie that gets every puck and all it takes, as we have seen in boston in paris, is for two people to not be noticed. and brian ross is absolutely right. it takes 20 people to follow 24 hours a day, 7 days a week one man. 20 police to do surveillance. it's almost impossible to do human surveillance. we have to rely on electronic surveillance. now because of snowden's revelations and others the terrorists know how to get around those electronic surveillance techniques. >> matt olsen, you were most recently at the national countertismcounter counterterrorism center. what was the top concern when you left? the kind of threat that kept you up nights? >> we were very concerned about aqap. onbvious obviously, isis was geding headlines. we remained concerned about al qaeda in the arabian pe

the speaker's comments could open debate over the nsa's reach. >> reporter: it could, especially in the climate we're dealing with now. there's a lot more happening in aurp as they try to crack down on jihadists. and here in the united states speaker boehner says the only reason we knew there was a plot to attack the u.s. capitol was because of government surveillance. >> we would have never known about this had it not been for the fisa program and our ability to collect information on people who pose an imminent threat. >> fisa foreign intelligence surveillance act that allowed the government to for lack of a better word snoop on americans and their conversations, e-mails and phone calls when the government believed it's warranted to find out about possible attacks on the united states. now also today, president obama is meeting with british prime minister david cameron. we believe they're going to be talking about cyber war games between the two countries to see how, for example, wall street would react to a cyber attack. cameron wants to lean on the u.s. and more government surveilla