that nsa does. and yet you're critcized, your agency has been criticized, for being too loose on privacy, can't trust you. but all the information -- and you're collecting phone numbers whose names of individuals you don't know. and the breaches are occurring with all kinds of information of when you were born and what your social security number and what your bank account number is and everything else. so, give me, again, for the record just what kind of things nsa went through and continues to go through that protects privacy and civil liberties. and if you can an explanation of why nsa is deemed untrustworthy, holding information and yet we rely on institutions that leak the stuff by the tens of millions. >> so, if i could, let me anxioanswer the second part first, it's a great challenge for me as a leader and us as a nation. increasingly we find ourselves as a society of government writ large and in the aftermath of the media leaks nsa in broad terms. i think that's both a part of this broader e

that's part of the quid pro quo here to be an nsa professional, be an nsa employee. but it is not lost on our work force at times. >> let's talk about cyber war we're dealing with internationally at this point. biggest threats we have, are they state actors, nonstate actors at this point internationally? >> let me answer this way. the greatest amount of activity is still criminal based but when i look at from a national security perspective, i would argue at the moment the nation state represents the greater national security challenge, if you will. there's three -- when i look at the future they're three things -- i said this publicly -- the concern me most. something directed to -- tree instructive activity against critical infrastructure. number two, is manipulation, changes to data. a most most of the activity has been theft. what if someone gets in the system and starts just manipulating changing data to the point now as an operator you no longer believe what you're seeing in your system. the third area that i think about in terms of concerns about the future re

nsa. the mission in the workforce is tasked with what you're doing to combat the increasing cyber threats to our nation. cyber threats to our u.s. national and economic security are a top priority. distractive cyber intrusions and attacks are increasing in scale scope, complexity and severity of impact. the office of personnel management recently suffered from one of the biggest cyber breaches our government has ever encountered. there are countless other recent examples of cyber breaches and attacks and both the public and private sector. while the nsa typically works in secrecy i think all this on this committee expect that you will be front and center of the issue for the for seeable future, informing and educating the american public. i would like to take a moment to thank you and your workforce for your dedication. and the critical work you continue to do to attacked our nation. you are now accustomed to the difficult and direct questions with which we ask you. they often in closed se

nsa does.and yet you're criticized, your agency has been criticized, for being too loose on privacy, and trusty. but all the information, and you are collecting phone numbers whose names of individuals you don't know. and the breaches are occurring with all kinds of information of when you report and what results is pretty number and what your bank account number is and everything else. so give me again for the record just what kind of things in as they went through and continues to go through that protects privacy and civil liberties. and if you can an explanation of why nsa is deemed untrustworthy, holding information, and yet we rely on institutions that leak this stuff by the tens of millions. >> let me answer the second part first. it's one of the great challenges for me as a leader and i would argue for us as a nation. increasingly we find ourselves as a society distrustful of government writ large and in aftermath of the media leaks in a say in broad terms. i think that's both a part of

that nsa does. and yet you are criticized -- your agency has been criticized for being too loose on privacy, can't trust you, but all the information -- and you are collecting phone numbers whose names of individuals you don't nknow and the breaches are occurring with all kinds of information of when you were born and what your social security number is and what your bank account number is and everything else. so give me, again, for the record, just what kind of things nsa went through and continues to go through that protects privacy and civil liberties, and if you can an explanation of why nsa is deemed untrustworthy holding information and yet we rely on institutions that leak the stuff by the tens of millions. >> so if i could let me answer the second part first. it's one of the great challenges for me as a leader and i would argue for us as a nation. increasingly we find ourselves as a society distrustful of government at large and in the aftermath of the media leaks nsa in broad terms. i think

from the reality of the nsa.etting and we recognize how difficult that is. i would also respectfully remind my colleagues to avoid any questions that touch on classified programs or questions that would require admiral rogers to divulge any sensitive information and the vice chair and i will consult if, in fact, we believe that we've put admiral rogers in that type of situation. again, welcome, admiral. i turn to the vice chairman. >> thanks very much, mr. chairman, and thanks for holding this open hearing to allow the committee to discuss in public the important work that the nsa does and some of the current challenges they face to keep up with national security threats against us. director rogers, welcome back before the committee. as we have discussed many times in closed sessions, nsa and cybercommand are at the forefront of a number of major national security challenges and policy decisions. so, i look forward to this discussion today. before getting to the rest of my statement, i want to publicly praise the

the committee heard from admiral michael rogers, nsa director and cyber commander. this is 90 minutes. [inaudible conversations] >> i will call this to order. of the plate to welcome admiral rogers and does you will though we typically hold our hearings in closed session to review your classified programs given the nature of these programs to protect the sources of intelligence that is understandable but today however we want to assure the american people have an opportunity to learn more about the nsa the mission they were tasked with that we return to combat the increasing cyberthreat to our nation. international and economic security our top priority and the attacks increase in in scale and scope and complexity the office of personnel management suffered from one of the biggest cyberpreaches our coverage has every countered and there are countless other recent examples from the of public jam private sector. while it works in secrecy all of us expect you are front and center in the foreseeable future to educate the american public. , by to take a moment to thank y

it often comes up in powerpoint slide decks from the nsa. essentially this is something that's with a select targeted program, with a selector it can intervene communications flowing over the internet such that it can poke a hole in your browser and exploit a vulnerability in what you you're using to communicate with and then once they have that installed software in your computer to do a variety things. capture keystrokes for passwords and a whole bunch of things. it is targeted so it's not doing this to everyone all the time. there is other stuff they're doing to everyone all the time. that's what i mean when it's gone from targeted surveillance to increasingly bold. a good example of this is the muscular program. mousse dollar is all caps. i wish i could shut it. muscular. the muscular program was one where the nsa was overseas tapping the entire data links between yahoo data centers and google data centers. these are the private networks between these data centers taking all the information that was sent over those links. it's a lot of i

his first tweet was a reference to nsa spying and a verizon

i have honestly heard people say to you in terms of the nsa, nsa is tapping my phone. i don't really care, i'm not a terrorist, what do i care. i think that privacy rights, you can read whatever you want to read, that's your business and it's not the government's business. and by the way, it's not just the government, corporate business as well. they have more information -- [applause] >> i want you to know a couple of things. it is clear to everybody or should be that technology has far outpaced public policy.

we created an nsa cyber committee in this congress. the chairman of that committee i'd like to recognize for an opening statement is mr. wes mooreland from georgia. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i appreciate the witnesses taking the time out of their busy schedules today to come and testify. as the chairman of the nsa and cyber subcommittee, i've had an opportunity to see cyber security from a unique position. i've witnessed the amazing talent and tireless work undertaken by certain elements of our government represented here today and by particularly the nsa ability to identify and defend against cyber threats. at the same time, i've witnessed the shocking incompetence of other elements in our government which have resulted in unprecedented privacy breaches and threaten our national security. it is essential that everyone understands the gravity of this situation. we are under attack right now in the united states. every second, every day there are attacks occurring somewhere in this country. some appear relatively harmless. others are

>> i have no knowledge. >> nsa officials were aware secretary clinton had a private e-mail account in the server? >> you are talking about something before my time. i don't know the answer. >> could i ask you to check your records? >> question for the record. >> to this committee, that is just my opinion. i have a question. you indicated you were looking at reorganization. i know that isn't completed yet but still under way. what can you share with the public, on one of the reasons for and what you believe might bring about? >> i have been director of nsa for 18 months and spent the first portion of those 18 months focus on the aftermath, the we are structured as an organization, to make sure we were in position for the citizens as we are fully compliant, to execute our mission, for the protection of the data we access as well as the broad privacy of u.s. citizens. i then froze the following question in the workforce. if we stay exactly the way we are, if we change nothing in five to ten years are we going to say, the world's pre-eminence insurance, answering this question my concern

deirdre: hiring hackers, as former nsa director, what does the nsa need to do, any other government entity than two years ago, is it about manpower? teaming up with silicon valley companies? what is the answer? >> i think the answer is a varied one, there is a training issue and there's a clearance issue, and the clearance issue where, a lot of people who have these kinds of skills, may have had some kind of misconduct in their past, and that kind of misconduct sometimes precludes people from getting a security clearance. a lot of us look at this saying we need different security clearance rules in order to make our cyberdefenses as strong as they need to be. now it's about talent. it's not just about being able to man the battamens, if you will. make sure you have the right people at the right time, and some have interesting skills that are necessary for the nsa as well as for the fbi and for private industry. deirdre: colonel, glad you could join us, colonel cedric leighton, former nsa deputy training director. >>> when we come back, wall street's top counselor is here, during the credit

an nsa cybered committee. the chairman i would like to recognize for an opening statement. >> i appreciate eyewitnesses taking the time out of their busy schedules today to comment testify. as the chairman of the nsa and cyber subcommittee i have had an opportunity to see cyber security from a unique position. i witnessed the amazing talent and tireless work undertaken i certain elements of our government. presented here today, and particularly by the nsa's ability to identify and defend against cyber threats. at the same time, i witnessed the shocking incompetence of other elements in our government, which have resulted in unprecedented privacy breaches and threatened our national security. it is essential that everyone understand the gravity of this situation. we are under attack right now in the u.s. every second, every day, there are attacks occurring somewhere in this country. some appear relatively harmless, others are clearly a threat to our economy, our privacy, and our national security. in recent yea

the whistleblower is following the nsa.they are making a mockery if he can of the american way of life. he has more than 9,000 followers and the number is growing. quote, can you hear me now? michael moore filmmaker says he is listening and his twitter reads yes, we heard you. we are grateful for your brave action so that truth could come out. >> george pataki is calling on twitter to ban snowden. here's what he tweeted. not a traitor who would put americans at risk hides in russia and belongs behind bars. >> jack dorsey disagrees, he wrote a post that reads yes, welcome to twitter. >> he's speaking about the nsa domestic surveillance program. he appears to be mocking the u.s. i used to work for the government now i work for the public. his first tweet going on to say, can you hear me now? some people are. the twitter account could put domestic surveillance back on the radar in the presidential campaign issues. >> kelly wright in dc. >> should twit urban his account? you can weigh in on "fox friends first facebook page #kee

we were really the first company outside the military that dealt with the nsa.because we were encrypting tv signals. and in fact at the time we had a running joke that nsa stood for "no such agency" because no one was quite sure they even existed at the time in the late '80s. but they used to come visit us in san diego, and our security engineers would visit them in maryland, because they wanted to understand what we were doing with respect to encryption, especially in terms of trying to export it, because at the time, all encryption was on the u.s. munitions list as if it were a weapon, even though we were using it in consumer products. so, that was just an interesting anecdote of early dealings with the nsa, of course, now everyone knows they do in fact exist through the edward snowden scandal or incident, whatever you want to call it. but back to your question about the internet. it does have its own security. it's mostly in software. generally hardware security is more secure, and that's within the arrsy, who now owns gi, motorola technology, and cisco owns

now i work for the public" he has 850,000 followers, but only tracking the nsa.13 he fled to moscow after leaking u.s. secrets. i'm kelly quite. here is "red eye." >>> welcome back. time to find out what we got wrong and what we missed from andy levy. aero, tom. pressworking? >> i am just pouring in the hot water and we will let it brew for 60 seconds and i will push the plunger down. >> keep us posted. >> okay. >> jessica, you said you are not on the bernie ban wagon. it is rare wouldn't you agree that college kids can support an actual socialist instead of the quasi socialists? >> he is a socialist. that's what he calls himself. he is par for the course with the way the party is moving. liz bet warren wouldn't be anymore to the right. >> but hillary clinton would. >> to the right? she will be successful middle ground candidate. she is going come back -- >> here comes the talking point. >> i don't use talking points. it is my own hillary flare. >> flare? >> step ford wife candidate. >> along those lines with college kids he is tied in favor built. >> i was surpr

so you are former nsa. isn't this embarrassing?ell i guess you could say that, especially when you look at the different numbers of twitter followers and compare them. but with snowden's almost 1 million followers you have a situation where people are clearly interested in what he had to say and what he's up to. with the nsa people are look at it as the government bureaucracy and chances are it won't be followed as much. but it is interesting that he's only following the nsa and no one else at this point? >> he's taunting the nsa. do you think he's getting to them? >> i think they have pretty thick skin normally. however he did do a lot of damage to nsa. and they are looking at the things he's saying. one of the things i noted in his tweets was the fact that he's working on secret projects with the freedom of press, which is another twitter handle that is associated with some of his actions. so there are a lot of things that nsa and the department of justice are looking at. but, you know, at this point in time i think it is going t

we send them all, and that means we send nsa, fbi, dhs. we talk to each other, then figure out what's needed at the scene to help these people who called 911. that has gotten dramatically better. our primary way of sharing information is through the nci/jtf. which i hope you have had a chance to visit. we all sit together and in human terms and electronically, we share that information about what do we need to respond to this particular fire? >> in my remaining time, i wanted to commend director brennan on your tackling the persistent problem of lack of diversity in the i.c. i know that you commissioned a report, and i just want to commend you on seeing the need and look forward to working with all of the agencies represented in making sure that we address our lack of diversity in the intelligence community. i yield back. >> the gentle lady yields back. the gentleman from florida is recognized. mr. miller. >> thank you, mr. chairman. somebody said that iran did not have the technical capabilities that a russia or a china would have. is it

plus, the nsa and pentagon go to -- open source, but is it safe?nd a messaging system gaining traction with corporate giants like cisco and unicorns like spotify. i will be joined by the ceo of lula -- all of that ahead on "bloomberg west." first to our lead, twitter shares are up almost 2% and the board meets to discuss its next ceo. we told you yesterday that jack dorsey is a front runner, but he's already the ceo of square and investors want answers. in the three months since the ceo search started, the stock has taken a hit, dropping over 21%. meantime, twitter is restructuring its theme. product team. it's new title will be twitter's head of consumer products. the big question is, will we get any more details today? here to help break this all down is sarah frier has been working this story with me. colin sebastian, an analyst to -- who covers twitter, and in new york corporate governance , a professor at the mit's sloan school of management. i'm going to start with our favorite tweet of the day -- a photo of twitter's headquarters saying, is

the former nsa government contractor turned whistleblower tweeted out his first tweet this morning, saying "can you hear me now?" joke with neil degrasse tyson, "surveillance never sleeps in the secret projects and freedom of press

the nsa never went through that process until post-snowden time. tell us, go one more beat about how that is changing. what you are saying happen in the culture. is there now an underlying assumption that even the deepest secrets may only have a shelf life of a couple of years. how does of -- that affect one's thinking on how to measure risk?

nsa whistleblower edward snowden, pulitzer prize-winning journalist glenn greenwald and other privacy activists have launched a new campaign to establish global privacy standards. the proposed international treaty on the right to privacy, protection against improper surveillance and protection of whistleblowers would require states to ban mass data collection and implement public oversight of national security programs. the treaty would also require states to offer asylum to whistleblowers. it is being dubbed the "snowden treaty." edward snowden spoke about the need for the treaty via teleconference from russia at thursday's launch in new york. >> this is not a problem exclusive to the united states or the national security agency or the fbi or the pardon of justice or any agency of government anywhere.

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i kind of believe the nsa.king for patterns that might reveal a terrorist plot seemed like a reasonable thing for the government to do, but lots of people say it is a gross violation of privacy. >> well, safety is important to me, but i do not think that the government collecting my phone data will make people more safe. john: you are a lawyer and have actually sue the president. >> that's right, we have. the collection of this phone meta-data which is who you call comeau when you call, and how long you talk which can reveal a lot of information. should the government have that information the government can get it, go to aa judge and say that i believe that an is up to something. there is due process in place. john: a lot of people want to sue the government. the smiths have been so far. >> my name is peter smith. ten years ago there was a dragnet collection of call records which revealed detailed information about anna. how do we know whether those records were ever seized or searched? john: that was the appe

one part is the nsa big data collection. >> that's right. john: you have opposed this.nd i have taken heat from libertarians because i say, what obama says. it is just he metadata it is not your personal phone call and it might stop terrorism. [booing] educate me. >> the government's collection of metadata is just as dangerous as its collection of content. if the government were collecting content i would think that that's a bad thing but metadata is actually bad. people need to understand with metadata they can figure out what you're doing throughout your life. they can figure out who you're calling. figure out whether you have a medical condition. think about all the phone records that you have and all of the ways in which the government can decipher based on who you're calling, when you're calling them and how long you're talking to them, what you're doing each day. john: fellow republican, former house intelligence committee chairman, said, this program is used to stop a terrorist attack in the last few years. people do want to kill us. >> there are people on the in

snowden is only following one other twitter account, the nsa's. >>> and new orleans times reports rock 'n' roll singer frankie ford has died. who we who we baby who we who we baby won't you let me take you on a sea cruise. >> he had a hit "satisfyea cruise" back in 1940. frankie ford was 76 years old. >>> the boston herald reports that oral arguments in the appeal of tom brady's suspension won't happen until the first week of february. even if the arguments are heard february 1st, it's unlikely any the super bowl on february 7th. the nfl wants a federal appeals court to reinstate its four-game ban of brady for his role in the deflategate controversy. >>> the los angeles dodgers clenched the national league western division title. the dodgers scored eight runs as they beat the san francisco giants. l.a.'s lefty ace clayton kershaw threw a one-hit shutout for an 8-0 victory. l.a. will be making its third consecutive trip to the postseason, that is the first for the franchise. the dodgers will face the n.l. east champion new york mets in the division series. >>> and it was a tough night a

nsa facility is there and expanding.i know director clapper and director brennan have both stated as well as admiral rogers about the need for young talent get involved in this field. i want to thank the director sending miss o'sullivan down this year to speak. we were hoping to get you but we were glad to have miss o'sullivan. >> you're getting better speaker. >> and sending mr. roche. and thank you for your sport and reallying what we're doing is trying to get young talent to recognize importance of our cybersecurity. so thank you very much. >> thank you. >> well, once again, thank you, gentlemen. hearing is now adjourned. >> the center of environment and public works committee hold as hearing today on the recent gold king mine spill which released three million gallons of wastewater into the animus river in colorado. epa director gina mccarthy is expected to testify. watch live on 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span3 and c-span.org. >> our road to the white house interview with republican presidential candidate george pataki

it had been gathered by the nsa. nobody knew what the nsa was. people thought the initials stood for "no such agency." and to admit that the fbi was tapping the south vietnamese, johnson has a war council. secretary of defense is there, secretary of state is there, his national security adviser are there, and -- is there, and they all say we can't do this, okay? it'll blow the country up. and it had already been a pretty bad year in 1968. bobby kennedy had been murdered, martin luther king had been murdered. if on the eve of the presidential election the president is saying his political opponent has committed a federal offense by sabotaging the peace negotiations, the country is going to be torn apart even worse than it is, which is hard to imagine in 1968. anyway, it's all down in black and white, it's all recorded, and it's a pretty terrifying story. >> did humphrey know before the election? >> after. >> after. okay, i thought it was before. >> yeah. but lbj knew, and he was righteously angry. yes, ma'am. >> thank you. >> it was obvious to man

you're talking about a conspiracy theory pushed by the nsa dick pick guy, right?his. >> host: schlinder's dick? is. >> guest: a guy, john schlinder, he will be ore gas mick that his name is -- >> host: i can't believe you're giving him the satisfaction. >> guest: who brags about having worked for the nsa for ten years, and and was a professor at the naval war college in the u.s., and he ran something called -- his blog, and he posits these conspiracy theories. what is interesting about them -- shy explain the joke. i won't explain the joke directly because it's a bit tawdry. the reason he is called the dick pick guy, you can just search for -- gawker, or john schlinder and gawker -- >> host: i don't recommend doing this if you want to keep your din are down. >> guest: you have to seen an unseen button on your eyes. okay. that not actually very interesting at all. what is interesting is -- because plenty on twitter -- what is interesting is the people who pick it up. and one of those just recently was one of the governors of the broadcasting board of governors, the

you're talking about a conspiracy be theory that's pushed by the nsa dick pick guy, right? [laughter] >> schindler's dick? yes. >> this is a guy, john schindler. he'll with be orr gaz hick that his name -- >> i can't believe you've given him the satisfaction. >> yeah. he'll be absolutely orgasmic. who brags about having worked for the nsa for ten years and is now a professor or was until very recently a professor at the naval warfare be college in the u.s. and he runs something called 20 committee which is actually -- [inaudible] and he posits these conspiracy theories. what is interesting about them -- i should explain the joke. i won't explain the joke directly, because it's a bit tawdry. the reason that he's called the dick pick guy, you can just search for -- [inaudible] and gawker, or john schindler and gawker. >> i don't remember doing this if you want to keep your dinner down. >> yeah, yeah. you need to have an unseen button on your eyes. [laughter] okay. so anyway, he's been pushing that. that's not actually very interesting at all. what is interesting is, because t

nsa is in charge of our national security systems.m i correct that nsa from time to time will also help federal agencies protect their unclassified systems? >> yes, when they request assistance. >> i realize this is before your time, but to your knowledge did the state department ever ask nsa about the wisdom of setting up a private server for hillary clinton? >> i'm not aware if they did or did not. >> what would be your response if the current secretary of state said i want to set up a private nongovernment server and use that to conduct personal business. >> you walereally want to drag into this one? >> i would simply like your professional opinion. >> my comment would be you need to make sure you're complying with the applicable regulations of your department. i'm not smart about what the rules and regulations are for every element across the federal government. >> are the communications of the senior most adviser to the president of the eyes, even those that may be unclassified, a top priority for foreign intelligent services in

because in my own case, they have used the nsa to spy on me. the prime minister of new zealand has apologized for that, because they have done that illegally. i created a cloud storage website where people who upload their files can be 100% sure their data is fully encrypted, that no government can access it. that we, as a service provider, cannot access their private data. emily: so even you cannot see what is in the files? kim: that is correct. emily: so the nsa could not get in. kim: no. they would get a lot of garbage. emily: what is to stop this from becoming a bank for criminals? kim: it is your right to privacy. i think that right overrules anything else. emily: is there anything you would have done differently? kim: absolutely. emily: like what? kim: if anyone from the u.s. government had reached out to us and said, well, we have a problem here. we never got any warning like that. emily: tell me about your relationship with edward snowden. kim: i think he is a hero. i admire him for his courage. he will be remembered in history as one o