no other country is going to want to buy this equipment if the fbi and nsa accessed these devices. nicholas weaver put out on twitter that by virtue of the fbi having this access the nsa has access as well. i'm surprised the stock isn't down more today on the threat of this happening. >> because of the prospect of -- even if cook stays firm courts rule not in his favor and then international sales plummet. >> i don't know if plummet is the case but look what happened with cisco. after it was found out that the u.s. government was intercepting the equipment and installing the spying software the fbi can hack into any iphone and china and any other country and we have a track record basically of hacking merkel and stuff like that as well too. >> but what's being proposed here sounds to me like it's interesting. it's not just a key where you can unlock any phone. it's a firmware update that apple will rewrite a version that shuts down the security feature. my question will be why can't you have a self-destruct on that custom built version of ios where it only works for three days but

the former head of the nsa weighs in on apple versus the fbi.eneral keith alexander does not buy apples argument. and the biggest security conference of the world kicks off here in san francisco. we can -- we talked to the symantec ceo on cyber threats. victory for apple in a separate but related privacy battle moving to a court in brooklyn, with the judge ruling that the techtarget does not governmentp the unlocked and alleged terrorist iphone. fornt to get to our editor legal coverage to have the latest in new york. first of all, what exactly happened? >> it is the first judge to exhaustively look at this issue. they said the demands were excessive by the government, and has now said this can be to lunch. this will not have a direct on the california terrorism case that will be in the public domain and will influence thinking about it in the higher court where these issues are likely to go forward. is this case similar and different to the california case? >> we are trying to decide how much security is essential, and does an invention of visu

it's just that nsa doesn't have the authority to do that. >> nsa does not have the authority, for instance to, crash the computers which run another country's air defense system. that's an act of war. the job of the u.s. military. so in 2005, nsa director hayden, who also happened to be an air head of what is today called cowboyer command. >> somebody's been working on these cyberweapons. was that you? >> yeah. we were developing ways to do things and so we created this stable of weapons. stable of weapons. you're out there stockpiling cowboyer weapons. >> yeah. >> can you tell me about any computer network attacks that you pulled off? >> no. because this is so hideously over classified it's hard for us to have an adult discussion about what it is we are or are not doing. >> let's take down this wall of secrecy. how powerful are cyberweapons 14. >> the problem with cowboyer weapons is not whether or not they're powerful, david, the problem with cowboyer weapons for a country like ours is the ability to control them. >> the now famous 2010stuxnet israel against computers which controlled ir

nsa has always had an offensive and defensive mission. we've always been challenged with balancing. my argument is the american political process needs to make a smart decision. the smart decision is not compelling these companies to have universal -- >> reporter: billionaire bill gates weighed into the debate over whether apple should be forced to create new software to allow the fbi access to the iphone of san bernardino terrorist. in a series of print and television interview, he appeared to part ways with some of the other tech ceos who have strongly backed am. with the right safeguards in place, he said the government shouldn't have to be completely blind to terrorists threats. >> the courts are going to rule and it will be gooded to have that precedent. i think the people want the government to act on their behalf. >> reporter: that didn't impress nsa leaker edward snowden hiding from u.s. law enforcement in russia who tweeted breaking, rich man favors central authority. would they support compelling doctors to harm a patient. >> reporter: apple has until friday to respond to

you have an interesting vantage point on the nsa. cia.ess vulnerable to attacks. >> we are talking about terrorism. this is september 10, 2001. we were in great danger. maybe even greater danger than we anticipated. over the next 10 years because of the actions of two presidents, we have made ourselves a great hill safer. if we were having this conversation in 2011, i would be feeling good about life and slapping a happy face on my graph. that line started to go back up. running into jihad two-point oh. that line has come back up on that graph. they are more safe then they are here. >> a bone wolf attack. >> it is across the board. >> he was saying, well, what we have done is default on our leadership role in the middle east. now there is held back to pay. >> i would strongly agreed that that line goes over. in parts because of the american decision to go to the residual force in iraq. >> so, a huge mistake in your eyes. >> oh, yes. i actually think that it drew away victory that we had within our grasp. we had continued american energy t

government would not be able to justify its nsa surveillance program and therefore conceivably couldin violation of the constitution? no, because it's not absolute stop as ruth said, there are very few freedoms that are absolute. your person is protected by the fourth amendment on the but as i pointed out, when you board a plane, someone can pass his hands all over your body. that's a terrible intrusion, but given the danger it is guarding against, it's not an unreasonable intrusion. it can be the same thing with acquiring this data that is regarded as if that. that's why i say it's foolish to have us make the decision because i don't know how serious the danger is in this nsa stuff. >> does the supreme court have the ability to pick up the phone and call somebody at the white house and say i have a question? >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. [laughter] we are at the mercy of whatever people happen to bring to us. if they don't ring it to us, we don't know it. >> and we cannot make a decision based on something outside the record of the case. the parties and their lawyers have to

that system that are now going to ends up in this unprotected server, and as the former director of nsa, if i could have gotten access to the server of the foreign minister of a potential adversary of the united states, even for their unclassified e-mails, i would have moved heaven and earth to do that. >> was it reckless? >> it was really imprudent. i don't know why the permanent government, the folks at state would actually not have gone to the secretary and said, ma'am, you just can't do it that way. >> looking forward to reading the entire thing "playing to the edge." it is out tomorrow. thank you for your service. >> thank you. >>> ahead, democrats using games of chance to determine election outcomes, but are they gambling with a possible lawsuit? judge napolitano will rule, when we come back. pet moments are beautiful, unless you have allergies. then your eyes may see it differently. only flonase is approved to relieve both your itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. complete allergy relief or incomplete. let your eyes decide. flonase changes

i would have thought nsa/cia -- >> sure. >> the san bernardino terrorist has a phone. the phone is the property of san bernardino county. there may be information there about the next terrorist attack. don't you want apple to just unlock that phone? >> so i parse it out. it's not quite as simple as that. there is a broad approach by our government and director comey for reasons that should be clear because of his responsibilities, really wants baked into the operating system of apple and other big companies a way that u.s. law enforcement under all the right rules, all right, court order and so on, can cut through even the very best encryption. now, my view, fareed, as the former director of nsa, that creates a weakness in the encryption. now the question becomes -- put the privacy stuff aside. i mean, i have views on that but no particular expertise. i'm a security guy. i actually think, fareed, on raw security grounds america is a safer place with unbreakable end-to-end encryption, not encryption that may have been compromised by our government's effort to preserve a

with michael hayden, nsa and cia director, former cia director to discuss national security on both after words program. and that's followed at 10:00 with the panel on the history of the black power movement. that all happens tonight on c-span2's book tv. >> give us some thoughts on what you all did, some of the things you did to create those relationships. >> well, one of the things we felt strongly about a need for inclusion, and by that, the president and inviting leaders to the white house, we did that right after 9/11. president bush invite us down, he told us we had to be there at 7:00 in the morning every tuesday and that inclusion created a chemistry among us that allowed us to deal with a real crisis at the time and made a huge difference in the relationships that came from it really made a difference in terms of what we were able to get done. joint caucuses, opportunities for republicans and democrats to sit together to break together and listen to the leadership together rather than separately so these joint -- these separate caucuses don't become pep rallies for your side, doi

. >> now on booktv "after words" the former cia and nsa director provides an inside look at national security. he's interviewed by james woolsey the former fbi director and the clinton administration. >> host: general hayden, first of all, very fine book, enjoyed it a lot. going to start right off with a couple of interesting chapters in the middle. one about pittsburgh and your history of growing up there in the same neighborhood for many years and the other about your family and what it's like to have family and in the fbi. i thought you might want to see just a word about those before we jump into things like metadata and the rest. >> first of all, thank you. i didn't have a chapter on me in the book. i kind of have the manuscript with penguin, the publishers and said what about you. so i put one together. they suggest i put it near the end, it's not a dark and stormy night or anything. it's tied to the speech i gave at the university in 2007 after i was director and cia to the graduating class which is my alma mater. i used to pick it off of my experience and how i brought that w

thenow the prism program by nsa has found a way to get into apple, perhaps with apple's permission, getting private files for people that are not accused of crimes in any way. brendan: tech companies are

. >>> that was general michael hay den, the only man o has ever served as director of the nsa appeared. >>> joining me now, general michael hayden, out with a new book called "playing to the edge" great to see you. >> great to see you. >> what an opportunity for the american people to hear it directly from you. you don't believe in carpet bombing. as for you torture and waterbombing, what say you as the guy who was at the cia when we were doing that? >> on a very practical candid basis, megyn, i don't know that we could convince in cia officer to do it. i think if a new president or future president wants to waterboard somebody, we better bring his own bucket. after cia did this in good faith under the opinion of the attorney general that it was lawful, the american political system turned against it, and that commitment to cia officers, when they go out and do something edgy for the republic, authorized by the president, briefed by congress and the director says i think this is a good thing to do, they think they have a social cert with the american republic, and it has a half-life lo

t he means the nsa has agreed to fake his demise. pthere was an accident t at diogenes, a little while ago. a fire broke out in the kitchen. when the smoke clears, the body of a man will be found. a man about my size. a man in possession of my personal effects. r the blaze, of course, will disguise the fact that he's a cadaver. t but if you're supposed to be dead... x he can't stay in new york. v nor can he go to london. or rome. r or anywhere else he's he needs to disappear. probably forever. i'm so sorry, joan. r sherlock and i were working on this, you... you knew that. i did what i had to do. lazy. stupid. sherlock... watson's right. r we could fix this. but that would require hard work... effort. v i can't believe i came to you last night, asking your forgiveness. v you are the same self-absorbed sloth... this last year... ...it's been a gift. watson:v is that a month to month lease, then? yes, that's right. p i-i would like to see the apartment as soon as possible. yes, one person. mr. holmes. p i was wondering if we might talk

as i mentioned in the book, as a senator, he was one of the most outspoken critics of the nsa.e and senator ron wyden from oregon with the two who introduced legislation and gave ineches, we have to reign our intelligence agencies. the first time senator ron wyden went to see his colleague in the oval office, he was stunned to find out that the president now is on the exact opposite side, basically saying we have to let the nsa do their thing. it is the old needle in the haystack. -- old i think is bogus. needle in the haystack theory, which i think is bogus. the nsa has been allowed to eavesdrop, every single phone call made, domestic and foreign, allow them to spy also on our amassing this data and storing it, somewhere. it is on and on. in terms of journalists, this administration went after the new york times, fox news, associated press, actually cap the phones of the associated press reporters who were doing nothing else than their job. is just outrageous. a very well-respected journalist said, for the media, this is the most dangerous administration ever. 2008, here is ma

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i don't know how serious the danger is in this nsa stuff.lityn't you have the to pick up the phone and call someone at the white house and say -- i have a question? justice ginsberg: absolutely not. justice scalia: we are at the mercy of whatever people happen to bring to us. if they don't bring it to us, we don't know it. justice ginsberg: we can't make a decision based on something outside the record of the case. the parties and the lawyers have to have access to everything that we will factor into our decision. i don't know how many times i would have loved to have called a law professor -- justice scalia: call your husband in a tax case. already was one of the best tax lawyers in the country. justice ginsberg: we can't do that because the other sides of the party are not there and don't have access to the same information. we are hemmed in by the record of the case in the court cannot resort to information if the parties do not have it. -- the data, storage in the computers and linking back to the word affects. doesn't it follow logicall

i used to work with doors when i was the director of nsa. >> they were very -- >> yeah, it doesn't guarantee you can get in. but it increases the odds you can get in. i think america and the security, steve, there's a whole privacy issue over here, in a security light, america is more safe with unbreakable end-to-end encryption. but, steve i have my limits, you just heard from tim cook, i agree with, i'm not sure conceding on this phone for that purpose leads you to that very bad end point. >> what you're saying give the fbi an opportunity to find the code itself. it's gone through the judge, it's gone through the legal system. and now he's making a bigger thing with this. you know him personally. where's he going with this? >> look, brian, you and i talked about this, these are good people, both defending virtues that are now in competition, freedom, safety, he's just expressing a point of view. that's why it's always so hard, we discussed, brian, that permeates my book. >> but generally, that's fine. but there's things on this phone, you k

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with the nsa and others?the fib by i'm not convinced necessarily they are are not cooperating and this is all for show but i think they definitely can get in without question and they're putting up a brave front because they know they will lose a lot of customers. harris: all right, but the bigger picture we're looking at, andrea, bill gates is siding with the fbi. you could maybe the argument it is about marketing and they are competing on opposite sides of issue. people will protest because this becomes a big preach for the federal government. andrea: bingo. harris: for the reason you mentioned because they're not necessarily terrorist phones, however, precedent knows no bounds it would seem at times. andrea: bingo. it is not big corporations versus the people. it is the federal government, big brother, versus big corporations who are protecting our privacy. tim cook knows that the feds can get into that phone if they want to get into that phone. the feds are the ones being disingenuous. they can do a force

so the president has allowed the nsa to expand the eavesdropping on americans. every single phone call made, domestic and foreign. also allow them to spy on our e-mail. still mapping all of this data and still storing it somewhere. the government has it. and so, you know, it is on and on. as i say, in terms of journalists, this administration went after the new york times, went after fox news, associated press, actually tapped the phones of the associated press reporters who were doing nothing else than their job. is just outrageous. asan page from usa today, very well respected journalist here in washington, d.c., said, for the media, this is the most dangerous administration ever. brian: here is march 4, 2008, still running for president. [video clip] president obama: we are going to have doctors, nurses, members of congress, patient advocates. i will have the drug companies at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. i want input and we will have to make compromises. but here's the point. we will do all these negotiations on c-span, said the ame

on the "cavuto coast-to-coast" yesterday, michael hayden, former nsa and cia director favors. >> youally think america is more secure with end to land on the right of all encryption available to all americans, even admitting that will make the fbi's job and from time to time the nsa's job harder to do in specific circumstances. nicole: make sure to tune into "cavuto coast-to-coast" with neil's interview with apple's attorney ted olson. that'll be interesting. nicole: let's get you caught up in the global market action. let's check at asia because because only the shanghai composite index higher by .9%. we are seeing the hang seng down 1%. the nikkei down 1% and the cost be one 10th of 1%. trip to europe stocks are lower. the cac down 1.9% good dax down 2.3%. for material prices down and those are how it's playing out in the overall indices. nicole: seen them down. s&p down 13, nasdaq down 36. lauren: oil prices to the downside. gold of $14. 12.36 at troy ounce. nicole: deadly storms ripped through the south with three people dead. fox meteorologist maria molina tracking the latest wi

. >>> coming up, former nsa contractor edward snowden is headed to boulder, sort of. when you can hear him speak. and meet this week's 7 everyday >>> just hours away from the iowa caucus. candidates did their best to the final gop poll shows donald trump leading by 5 points ahead of ted cruz. trump was pretty candid this %- morning about the polls. >> did you ever imagine then that on the even of the iowa caucuses you'd be leading pretty big in every state? >> the truth is no. i didn't. >> reporter: and on the democrats' side, hillary clinton is still battling what's in her e-mail inbox. 22 e-mails sent from her private server had top secret information. clinton denies it. she still leads the iowa poll, but bernie sanders is hot on here heals. >>> the cdc could declare the e. coli outbreak over at chipotle in nine different states. more than 50 people were sickened from that outbreak. a criminal investigation of chipotle is now underway. >>> tishths to see controversial former nsa they're $2 for student, $10 for cu employees, and $20 for the general public. he is best

corporation with the nsa is controversial in some quarters.ations of edward snowden raised questions about the scale and secrecy, but the two organizations directors said the alliance was vital. >> i don't think there is any doubt. each of us consider the other the strongest partner we have in the world, and we realize we are facing a global set of challenges that takes each of us working together to generate that for each of us. >> no one faces this alone. there is no closer relationship and we have, it is the rock of our security. >> 75 years on, this relationship is one that has lasted, but which still remains largely secret. remembering the codebreakers of the second world war. the u.s.orted earlier, presidential candidates are traveling to every corner of new hampshire in search of votes ahead of tomorrow's primaries, but the conway daily sun hopefuls, presidential have been dropping by since 2008 to meet the editorial staff. they are not allowed to leave without leaving their signature on a refrigerator in the corner, icebox one as it is

. >> we definitely don't want anybody at the nsa to hear about this. >> why?ent. >> the head of the nsa. >> "scandal" olivia and fitz have since broken up. what? and the country is on the verge of a crisis. i hope i'm not spoiling something here for everybody. this morning 13 members of the "scandal" cast appeared on "good morning america" to dish on the upcoming season and we learned about what the gladiators are in for this spring and most of the cast stayed mum, including what olivia was hiding behind the door. >> you usually let everyone in, you have something either a man or something -- >> 9:00, 8:00 central. >> that comes into a different scene in the second half of the season and there is a major change. >> oh. that is all i can say. capital major. >> 9:00 central, and fun facts tonight's episode of "scandal" was directed by havertown native tom vefr. stay tuned for "action news" at 11:00, tom verica also plays her husband. fun facts there. >> we love a local tie. >> i'm surprised too. >>> a final check of temperatures and it's all downhill from here.

because in my own case, they have used the nsa to spy on me. prime minister of new zealand has apologized for that, because they have done that illegally. i created a cloud storage website where people who upload their files can be 100% sure their data is fully encrypted, that no government can access it. that we, as a service provider, cannot access their private data. emily: so even you cannot see what is in the files? kim: that is correct. emily: so the nsa could not get in. kim: no. they would get a lot of garbage. emily: what is to stop this from becoming a bank for criminals? kim: it is your right to privacy. i think that right overrules anything else. emily: is there anything you would have done differently? kim: absolutely. emily: like what? kim: if anyone from the u.s. government had reached out to us and said, well, we have a problem here. we never got any warning like that. you know? emily: tell me about your relationship with edward snowden. kim: i think he is a hero. i admire him for his courage. he will be remembered in history as

senator, one of the most outspoken critics of the nsa. morgan -- wyden for from oregon were one of the two say they should bring in the intelligence organizations. president barack obama was stunned to find out that the president -- it done the exact opposite side of that. go in and let the nsa do their thing. the old needle in the haystack. the haystack it so big that you everyever find the needle single phone call made domestic and foreign, allow them to spy also on our e-mails, still amassing all the data and storing it, somewhere. it is the phone companies have it or the government has it. say it'sand on, as i , thisterms of journalists administration when after the new york times, when after fox news, when after the associated press, actually cap the phones of the associated press reporters who are doing nothing else than the job. this is outrageous. journalist respected here in washington said this is the most dangerous administration ever. here is march 4, 2008, still running for president. [video clip] thee are going to have docto