does nsa play a role for the nsa rule of trust with the democracy. >> this is something i'm particularly passionate about because my family history. my dad grew up in communism and that's shaped by growing up as a child in a country where the average citizen does not have trust in government and at its root it's a question of bush nyer talks about democracy dilemma which means that it's the ability for individuals to talk and influence each other and debate big issues is also, in many cases the root of our weakness and that people can be influenced and their opinions change with false information. so the best defense is each of us as americans understanding that there are malicious entities who seek to influence us on-line and seek to appear to be children americans and influence online and really learn to question what we see on-line, the role of anonymous accounts and how we communicate with those. >> yes. looking who -- and share that with the fbi so they can work closely with mead why partners to shut down that activity. >> what you're talking about is a while, because it's about ind

the nsa.nd then to understand but in that we try to let the official speak for themselves. when out of those two competing narratives. and then to judge for yourself but snowden is an interesting case because if it violates the law he really show the nsa after 9/11 adopted emergency procedures because we were attacked on american soil. world trade center. the plane in pennsylvania. the pentagon. those are justified in my view. we want to prevent another attack. but what happened it became business as usual without any public discussion over what the american people wanted. so in this sense and that he may be consider the first trader patriot. he provided a public service but also he broke the law to do it. >> one of the issues seems to be that technology is moving so quickly the normal democratic process simply don't have the ability. >> that's a good observation because what you see with technology today to know that has outstripped our laws. they're doing what's permitted. but that's what th

all the nsa whistleblowers including edward snowden. also leadership of the nsa.here's two sides to every story. so i want to examine both and then say try to let the nsa officials speak for themselves. general alexander is a character and let the whistleblower speak for themselves and then i try to keep out of those narratives for the truth. but also to have for yourself but snowden is an interesting case because if you look at what he reveals those links and violated the law to reveal that information, he showed that the nsa after 9/11 had adopted emergency procedures because we had been attacked on american soil. the world trade center, pentagon. the plate in pennsylvania. those are justified in my view. we want to prevent another attack. but what happened those emergency procedures became business as usual without any discussion or if that's at the american people wanted. and snowden forced that discussion and as a result we got change. the patriot act was changed. so i wrote one day he could be considered first trader patriot. [laughter] because he provided a

but they were suing the nsa. >> we will talk about this later.we are going to run short on time unfortunately very soon so i feel an obligation. i've got one more observation i want to pose and then we will take a few questions. so far we've talked about individual human beings. are we aware of circumstances in which we have had more than one person in an organization try to move things forward whether they succeed or fail and in other words have we seen growth whistleblowing is not a thing. >> certainly h. henry action i could see that. and the way in which it caused such outrage among certain people within the inspector general including john crane that he became a whistleblower and there is a cascade in the current ukraine whistleblower case we have someone speaking for a lot of people now. to what extent they wouldn't want to be questioned on this and to what extent they were equally shocked by what they heard and they were just afraid to come forward isn't clear that he might well be a clearing house for a number of people who have a wide ra

this happened in the case of nsa ig george- ellard. the allegations were found to be credible and he was reprimanded. there was subsequently an appeal to the pentagon and an official overturned the ruling, which is one of the reasons why a lot of us have problems with the system as it is. host: you mentioned one change, but what others would you like to see? johnson is one of the senior staff members and when i worked on capitol hill, he was in the house intelligence. it was a brownbag lunch where we were picking his brain about things that would be good to do, and i had some ideas, but he said, it doesn't matter how much you tinker with the law. there is no substitute for number engagement. that has stuck to me. host: what does that mean? guest: members have to care about whistleblowers and be engaged. chuck grassley is a good example. it has been almost a year ago that senator grassley revealed the central intelligence agency had been monitoring the --tinued acacia and communications of whistleblowers , and i have been shocked that n

this all has to do with the nsa controversial surveillance program.e goal was to collect information on possible terror suspects but, in the process, phone numbers and email addresses belonging to innocent americans got swept up. joining me now, judge andrew napolitano. judge, first why are we only learning about it now? >> it's very unusual in america for a judge to sit on a decision for a year. remember this is a secret court that very rarely releases its opinions but we now know between october 18 and when the opinion was finalized and signed and now october of 19, the nsa and fbi tried it too, shall he say get the judge to water down some of the findings that he made a by agreeing not to do it again. he eventually threw up his hands and release the opinion, i say real estate. and, there are no times and there are no places. >> we don't know the scope and scale? >> we do know what 19 fbi agent did, who was looking for one person and somehow managed to capture the telephone calls, emails and texts of 70,000 people and then, and having those he was a

>> the ideal scenario is to have people at nsa and cia waiting for their networks to pop up to confirmeath and what that does gives intel community and special operators follow-on targets to go after, i'm sure that happened last night for 12 hours and happened shortly after the osama bin laden raid. you have to tell america when al-baghdadi and osama bin laden had been killed, gives the opportunity to let the network tell you someone is dead so you can exploit the network and go and target it. gillian: now when intelligence analysts are swifting through all of this new information, what are they looking for, what is the best possible piece of information that you could get from documents? >> any attack that's eminent, something tie today specific date, anniversary, something that isis promised to do about a year ago, looking to see if any of those operations are already in motion and they're looking to go after those targets. that would be for cia and nsa, for the defense intelligence agency, they are looking for how the networks ran, how isis conducted itself, who are the next lead le

cia, dia, nsa, everything. i look at andy.ave to do is locate that audio transmission. and we need to move fast on this. >> robert arranged for us to have electronic access badges that made us look like contractors within state department. with those access badges, we could bypass security and go straight into the building. and he also gave us a tiny little coat closet with a window in it that faced directly to the street below where gusev was parking. >> the fbi began using equipment offered to us by the intelligence community in order to figure out where the audio transmission was coming from. >> it did not take long. the first day that we got into the state department an ex, the electronics technician was setting up and i was just playing around with the antenna. i was kind of, you know, pointing it across the street at the state department building while he was tuning and it was connected by a cable to his equipment. in the middle of all that, gusev drives into the area and we see the signal come on. now, this was importan

and what i said set out to do was not burn down the nsa. i wasn't trying to break the government, i was trying to tell people how to live or change the laws. what i was saying was that the purported value of the document, what the government saysthat we're doing , and tell the public even under own in front of congress, i was in fact not the truth. it was a lie and when that happens, blowing the whistle , i don't think should be seen as a revolutionary. it is not a radical. it's rather conventional acts of return. it is saying to the government, saying to our public that somewhere along this path, we have lost our way. i can't change it. you can't change it. but together maybe we can change it. but that's not a decision for the little lower. all whistleblower does is set and say to you what you are not allowed to know but must know for the remainder democracy. >> i think what i most appreciated was how the label attached to you whistleblower, patriot, human rights leader, privacy advocate , all of those are evolutions . even when the very f

and for the countermeasures people at the nsa and the cia, this is gold. >> this case is actually activeians did it all by themselves or that the russians had a friendly hand assist them. is it possible that a state department employee helped them? absolutely. >> just because no one has been arrested as having been an accomplice or a co-conspirator does not mean that we don't have information that may or may not be used in the not so distant future. >> shortly after the case, the nonescort policy for russians was rescinded. >> to do what the russian intelligence service had done was unheard of. a huge success for their service. and then for us to come along and do what we did, again, a huge success for our service. so are there losers? are there winners? it's hard to say. >> it was spies versus spies. i mean, normally these things involve one person against another person. this was, on our side, dozens of people against dozens of people. it's really unprecedented in its scope. they took the first round and we took the second and it was game, set, match when we got gusev. >> do we have bu

let's bring back former nsa attorney susan hennessy.et's set aside the timing here of the leak of this. that's possibly material as a distraction with other bad news this week, but at the substance, because john durham, let's set aside barr for the moment, he's respected by both sides. he presumably would need to be on board, would he not, for the expansion of this in a criminal direction. how substantive, how significant do you think this development is? >> well, so we don't know. the news reports that appeared in "the new york times" said this had become a criminal investigation. so there is some kind of criminal predicate. but it doesn't say into who or for what. we don't know whether this is something that may be related to the opening of the investigation in line with the president's accusations or something else related. we do know that attorney general jeff sessions, then cia director mike pompeo, the senate select intelligence committee, they have all looked at the origins of this investigation and none of them found any sense o

and -- serious people running the cia and nsa and i would have assumed that if you were getting this intelligence, obama would have gone to putin to cut this out or bad stuff is going the happen. did that happen? if it didn't is that because that is not how the fbi works or what? >> let me add to the question, did secretary clinton convey anything like that to the russians? >> well, she would not have been in there '15. kerry. well, first of all, that is information that was known across the intelligence community. so there is no question that people were aware of what was going on. but your question gets right to the heart of an issue that we still struggle with and that is how does the intelligence community handle highly sensitive intelligence about cyber activity if you go forward to make the sort of the warnings or the threats tr indicati s or indications to your adversary, that you will move no a different threat factor, and you will lose the visibility of the threat. and so it is not dissimilar to the question that you are always struggling with human sources when they give yo

previously i was with nsa and cia had never had to talk about myself but month after month and year after year i have been met to men like you that have taught me we can do more together than on our own and when i looked around the world in 2018 and today, i see how much we need to have this conversation and talk about the public and the government and surveilling surveillance and data collection in ways not just with that facebook is involved because facebook is not the problem it is a product of the problem that we have to correct the system more than a news story or clip on the internet. amine structure thinking in the only way we can get them to take us seriously today with these mechanized and automated is to attach the human element who you are and where you came from. and in that moment of vulnerability for people who have not consented, and the irony is that we are not afraid i found a voice i have never been able to used to a message i've not been able to express and ultimately is not a change but a new way to express that gave me courage to face the world so many years ago. we a

this happened in the case of nsa ig george- ellard. the allegations were found to be credible and he was reprimanded. there was subsequently an appeal to the pentagon and an official overturned the ruling, which is one of the reasons why a lot of us have problems with the system as it is. if you don't have members, it means members have to care about whistleblowers and have to be engaged on these issues. chuck grassley is probably a good example. spent almost a year ago that senator grassley revealed the central intelligence agency hat in fact, been monitoring the communications of whistleblowers both with the ic ig and members of congress. frankly i have been rather shocked by the house no senate intelligence committee have gone to battle stations over that because it's that kind of illegal domestic surveillance of house and senate intelligence committees were created over 40 years ago to prevent. this has this is not been a topf conversation for censorship or senator burr, chairman of the senate intelligence. >> host: president trump

you have people running nsa and cia as obama is president and i would assume if you were getting thisintelligence, it would be appropriate for obama to go to putin to say cut this out or really bad stuff will happen. did that happen? is that not how the fbi works quick. >> let me add to the question did secretary clinton convey anything like that to the russians? >> she would not have been, 16? you're talking 15. first of all, that was information that was known across the intelligence community. so there is no question people were aware what was going on. but your question gets to the heart of an issue that we still struggle with is how does the intelligence community handle highly sensitive intelligence about cyberactivity. if you go forward to make warnings or threats to your adversary you know what's going on then they you move to different infrastructure or threat vector and you lose that visibility on the threat. it's not dissimilar the even with human sources if they give you information if you immediately turn around and use that inar a search warrant then you could burn that

he says he flagged the july call and other events to the nsa's lawyer.ancy pelosi says the house will take its first about on the impeachment inquiry later this week. -- first vote on the impeachment inquiry later this week. bones chief executive is said to tell lawmakers -- boeing's chief executive is said to tell lawmakers that the playmaker made a credible -- critical mistake. a fresh allegation has emerged that the company withheld key safety information. visits capital hill coincides with the one-year anniversary of the first crush. space galactic's has become the first space business to go public. he looks to compete with the likes of jeff bezos and elon musk and what is being dubbed the new space race. the company says its aim is to make spaceflight more affordable. >> long-term, our hope is to go down. in the near term, the price will go up a bit because it is underpriced. long-term, my vision is to bring the cost down so more people can experience the wonder and joy of human spaceflight. >> china's largest convertible bond sale has drawn over $1

insider within -- this is starting to have a chain of events said that jordan peterson and ben shapiroey nsae is. >> this led to another hearing. dennis preyinger and ben shapiro are naziss given the premises what do we do about it? two of three of the pete are religious view juice yet you think they're nazis. begs the question what kind of education people at google have. [ applause ] >> so -- and maybe the most amazingly heroic insider who blew the whistle of them all, the pinterest insider showed us code censering bible verses you couldn't type in bible verse on pinterest. they considered live action the nation's leading pro-life organization as pornography. they took the video down. but it didn't deter eric. eric went public. eric cochrane and said this. >> to me there is no other option, like, i could go through life and i could live in the comforts of life and i could go on for 80 years and then make money, do the formula of life, and then i'll just fall to ashes. and i think that's how a lot of people live their lives. this is something that no matter what happens, no matter what i lo

when mike was on the hill is when senator chuck grassley revealed and 2012 that the nsa inspector general has found an nsa employee misusing the system to listen in on the conversations of their current spouses or former spouses were former lovers. this wasn't one or two people it was at least a dozen and those were just the ones they caught. so i think for me because i've worked in the intelligence community but also on the hill and like sean i've been around for a lot of these for the last 15 years but always concerns me is the backend process essentially if we are trying to keep tabs on this stuff because you can pass the law and this is what the foreign intelligence surveillance act was ostensibly designed to do and was passed in 1978 it is designed to actually prevent this stuff that the foreign intelligence is using to day-to-day which is engaged in an awful lot of mass spying on americans. the problem that we have, and this is the point that i want to engage you on is our system as my former employer, the representative say our constitutional system is supposed to be self-correctin

we will be joined by charity wright, a former nsa espionage expert in that segment.tick around and it might touch on topics that you are interested in. linda out of texas who thinks the process has not been fair when it comes to impeachment. why do you think that? caller: i think they should go back and look at precedents, and i think that republican representatives and the president should have the same rights as they have had past impeachment hearings. backi think until they go and do this right, to me it is a sham. host: this is congressman adam schiff, the chairman of the house intelligence committee in a dear colleague member to the other members of the house from earlier this week talking about the proceedings and how the process will work. he talked about the comparisons being made between what is happening now and past impeachment proceedings. the reasons for conducting interviews and private are sound and based on the best interest and thorough and fair investigation. unlike in past proceedings where congress had the effect of an investigation conducted in s

government misconduct and of course we can look back at the pentagon papers for the first in 1971, the nsa five from the mid-to-late 1990s and early 2000 and justice department officials that revealed the program and of course chelsea manning and there've also been as i indicated previously almost a countless number of corporate whistleblowers in the same period of archer daniels midland and a day uncovered the sex trafficking observation of course just this summer we had in our theaters with kira knightley talking about the scandal in the united states request an two d. up to the war vote after the secrets act. how do they like to act when others do not and do the pathologies of the organizations try not to laugh. protections for whistleblowers differ from agency to agency and from the private and nonprofit sector and it was started in the wake of the revelations just a bureaucratic spokesperson for cracking down. this afternoon our panel is going to help us answer these and other important questions. we have journalist and author of this book crisis of conscience whistleblowing in the ag

there are other areas obviously nsa and others that are fighting the war in a very different way andkinds of weapons as it were, but the state department was heavily involved in trying to intercede in this information war. now there's nothing happening in this administration that's comparable to what you were doing in the obama administration. >> no. but one of the things i learned is government isn't actually the best place to counter disinformation. remember, so much of this disinformation that people believe is about how bad government. and when government says no, we're good and you guys are wrong, people don't believe that. so i actually don't think government is the answer, which is not to say that government should be doing nothing like they're doing now. in fact, as you say, trump welcomed the chinese to come and interfere in our election. you just can't do that. and the problem with government trying to do this is that the enemies use that against us, and it just doesn't work. >> you add to the relatively scope of the mueller report. you widen that frame. >> one of the thing

troops,nsas state brigadier general nicholas pierce. the army of the west. there is springfield right now. sam'srst brigade is under verges. the second under -- sam sturgis, and theyd under sigel, are armed little bit better. they are armed mainly with rifles and mexican war era musket. -- muskets. there's a lot of contemplation by lyon and his subordinate whether to attack or retreat your it again, he knows that he is outnumbered. just not how much. fremont is in command of the western department. he has been contemplating how he could distribute any new true. he has been mainly sending them to the southeastern corridor. there's a lot of movement there. of a confederate invasion. fremont is occupied with that. there's also a significant enlistments.iring majority are scheduled to expire by the end of the month. he knows that. he is crunched for time. .verwhelming numbers he is completely outnumbered. he will not find that mcculloch has united with price until august the ninth when some of his men that are out on recon stumble -- i believe it was a farm. the

and i found out, when he ran for president in 2012, his nsa advisor was a guy by the name of joseph cofferlack and it turns out, he is an individual close to romney and, a member of the board which might explain which mitt romney had so much venom when talking about this in the joe biden piece. when the friend is on the board and absolutely ukraine has indicated they will reinvestigate because the other case was closed apparently prematurely. >> half this town is on the payroll of foreign government. the idea that a presidential communication with a foreign head of state is scandalous when you highlight, you have everyone with her hands in the dark for for foreign potent day, at the height of hypocrisy. it highlights where you talk about the senate, the senate will have to try in impeachment. and if i were the senate majority leader, this is on arrival, changing the rules, we are going to kill it before it gets out of the cradle. and we will not follow up with impeachment trial. we see the corruption here and we are not going to buy into and play your game and ratify your abusive power by

this happened in the case of nsa ig george- ellard. allegations were found to be credible and he was reprimanded. there was subsequently an appeal to the pentagon and an official overturned the ruling, which is one of the reasons why a lot of us have problems with the system as it is. host: you mentioned one change, but what others would you like to see? johnson is one of the senior staff members and when i worked on capitol hill, he was in the house intelligence. it was a brownbag lunch where we were picking his brain about things that would be good to do, and i had some ideas, but he said, it doesn't matter how much you tinker with the law. there is no substitute for number engagement. that has stuck to me. host: what does that mean? guest: members have to care about whistleblowers and be engaged. chuck grassley is a good example. it has been almost a year ago that senator grassley revealed the central intelligence agency had been monitoring the --tinued acacia and communications of whistleblowers , and i have been shocked that neith

how confident are you that the nsa will meet that requirement? >> senator, one, i applaud the committee's leadership in establishing the nuclear weapons council which gives the commander a direct opportunity to go address that. that requirement is sound and, yes, i recognize that there are issues in terms of d.o.e.'s ability to meet that and i would pledge to look closely at that if i was confirmed. >> stratcom took over the modernization of our nation's command and control systems from the air force, global strike command, just over a year ago now and i'm encouraged to see that the sack system which is the system that is used to send emergency action messages recently retired these. some of my colleagues may recognize these, some may be too young to recognize these. one of the things that concerns me is just the time line for the rest of that architecture much of which was developed in the '60s and '70s and currently still expected to remain in service for a few years. talk to me about the timeline for that transition. >> senator, one, i applaud

talking about a daniel ellsworth with the pentagon papers or thomas tamm with another program or the nsa trail blazer and thin thread or this particular individual. making a decision to do something like this is not something you do lightly. i didn't wake up one morning and say, you know what? i'll go public with what i feel about my particular employer. it's one of those things you have to think about carefully. you mentioned my wife and i appreciate it. my wife robin is my rock and has been for almost 30 years now we've been together. i will tell you that there were three destink pha destirngt des she says, no way we'll stop. go along with this we're no better than they are. that's the kind of woman i married. >> wow. >> i think that -- >> lucky you. >> well, yeah. no kidding. i think that's something i hope this particular person has in their life. i hope they have the kind of support network necessary to sustain them through this ordeal. >> i want to talk about, i'm sure, what i know, some of you what you and your wife endured through all of this. back to your december '96 congressio

in the same situation. >> everybody else including his former boss, john bolton right there at the nsa. >> exactly. they share a lawyer. also coming up this week is this guy morrison, who is a very important witness. we hope we get some kind of ruling in time or he shows up to testify. he's very important because when bill taylor testified, much of his testimony included and i told morrison this and morrisson told me that and there are several instances where they're intertwined, their conversations, so it's important that morrisson comes and we find out whether or not he is financial to corroborate taylor. that's the most important thing for the week when he testifies, does he corroborate taylor? >> and morrisson has indicated he plans to testify. we'll see how it all plays out. >> right. >> i'm curious about the kupperman case, where does the law stand when it comes to this? does congress have the right to subpoena them and get them to be deposed? >> so, we have a case under the nixon administration in which the supreme court said that the president, himself, was required to respond

it's critical for the unit is we're able to get national level intelligence, which comes from dia, nsaa, it gives us a starting point on all these so-called war criminals. >> we call them persons indicted for war crimes. abbreviated pifwc, which of course, the troops immediately begin to say pifwics. >> the number one cia guy in bosnia was routinely digging up great intelligence, running sources very specifically against certain pifwics so the cia in concert with forces in the ground would then build the intelligence picture. >> my role was as a task force commander to command the recognizance and surveillance forces that looked for and identified these war criminals. our job was to blend in with the environment and we lived out in the communities and start setting up a pattern of life on all these war criminals. so when you establish a pattern of life, it's just what it sounds like. where does this person start their day? do they go to work? happens at the end of the day. do they go to a home? do they go to a bar? do they have friends, family? we're doing on the unit is developing a p

he was also acting nsa when that aid to ukraine was ultimately released.rt of this is that the push to get cupperman before these house investigators is by and harlarge a proxy fight to g john bolton to do the same thing because they share an attorney. the attorney general for cupperman makes the case that because the white house is brookie i blocking his testimony and because the legislative branch is demanding it, cupperman feels as if it's not his client's role to make a decision. he's trying to punt it to a federal judge. we do expect this case to be expedited but last we checked this case hasn't even been scheduled yet and a judge hasn't been assigned to it. adam schiff for his part today said they're not going to wait for the courts to come up with some legal recourse. the message house democrats are sending to the white house is ignore us at your own peril. any stonewalling will be chalked up as potentially a new article of impeachment on obstruction. >> a lot of focus has been placed on rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer, his embarrassi

. >> reporter: snowden, a former cia employee and nsa contractor, shared documents from the national security agency about far-reaching surveillance programs. >> people's lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden -- >> reporter: among other things, snowden was charged with giving national defense information to someone without a security clearance and revealing classified information. he's living in exile in russia. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> randi, thank you for that report. >>> the u.s. supreme court starts a new term on monday and justices will confront a number of politically explosive issues. >> it will be a challenge for the chief justice to keep the high court out of the spotlight when the rulings emerge during an election year. we have the details. >> reporter: a mow men to us term is set to again. the justices will tackle an array of issues, lgbt rights, gun rights, and last week the court agreed to hear an abortion case. all these opinions will come down in the heat of the next election. they'll be heard by president trump's two nominees, gorsuch and brett

the wake of edwards claim, we realize that we did not have this avenue, he cannot exactly go to the nsa inspector general with what he knew, what is different now? >> it's the politics, whistleblowers have been coming forward in a modern context since 1971, in january 1971 they were talking about army surveillance, you get the citizens commission to investigate the fbi in march of 1971 breaking into the fbi office in pennsylvania and so on and so forth. so the issue of the government using the secrecy system to come seal waves is a decade old problem and for democrats, the problem is this, they've had all these people come in and give essentially classify depositions. they are doing this in the house intelligence committee. in the watergate situation, you wound up having a select committee that was generally bipartisan and character that window carrying the investigation and that's why 319 hours of televised open public hearings, you have a pretty good sense that it probably shouldn't be president of the united states. democrats have watches from day one, i think the case for going afte

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and what you have is the hackery that is now taken hold whether it's in state, nsa, whether it's homelandare people who really have no loyalty, no exerp experper tease and -- expertise and that means they're going to be free agents to talk publicly about what they know and that's bad news for donald trump. >> what happens if if you run a government like that? how long can you pressure and bully and retaliate against people? a lot of these people are speaking back in what ambassador mcfall said earlier was the most patriotic of ways. >> trump calls them the doop state. that might bebecomecome a posit word. they' they're patriot said and every time one does it encourages the next one to do it. bravery breeds more bravery. i don't think he's going to be able to plug holes in the ship of state. he's going down one way or another. because every day brings another revolution, another person testifying against him. >> thank you so much. really fascinating on this big night. coming up, shep smith's 23-year career ended abruptly today. here later with what's going on behind the scenes. h what's go

on one day alone, in december 2017, the fbi illegally queried the nsa's database nearly 7000 times using people's social security numbers. the united states has blacklisted 28 chinese compmpanies, goverernment ofcec, and security bureaus over their alleged role in china's mass imprisonmement of muslim uyghurs ananother minority groups s in e fafar western reregion of xinjn. the u.s. commerce department said -- "these entities have been implicated in human rights violations and abuses in the implementation of china's campaign of repression, mass arbitrary detention, and high-technology surveillance." the moveve comes days before tre talks between the u.s. and china. and extinction rebellion protests are continuing around the globe with non-violent actions demanding urgent action on the climate crisis. this morning, protesters blocked roads leading to london city airport and held a city in protest inside a terminal, disrupting flights. in central london, hundreds of mothers with babies blocked traffic and held a peaceful "nurse-in" on wednesday. this is sally davies, one of the protesters.

bring in former state department negotiator aaron david miller and deputy director for training at the nsa cedric leighton. cedric, you first. the u.s. asked the kurds not to turn to russia in that area. you heard from that document being revealed based on barbara starr's reporting. what options are available right now? >> well, they're certainly limited, fredricka, and it's a real shame because we had an excellent relationship with the ypg, the forces that arwa mentioned in her reporting. and this kind of relationship is very hard to achieve. the kurds really see no way out. they had a historic relationship with russia that in some ways goes back almost 200 years. so there's no way that they're going to forget that relationship. it's remarkable actually that the united states was able to have the kinds of relations that we did have and the kind of success that we had against isis. but that's all being thrown away and, quite frankly, the kurdish general was quite right to be as adamant as he was about the u.s. and what we're doing to them. >> so, cedric, help people understand what is the

and then what did this nsa chief, robert o'brien, say to you when you were at the white house about herning? >> so what happened was, i -- i think i somehow found the courage to say to the president, i said, no, mr. president, this meeting is not happening today in these circumstances. if it happens, it will be back in england when she's going through the legal process. and robert o'brien was sitting right next to him, and he snarled at me. she is never going back, never. straight -- you know, i thought we were going down there to maybe find a solution to this horrible problem. and they weren't interested in finding a solution to anything. they were interested in making -- in compounding the situation. i just -- i am lost for words this morning. i don't really know how to process it. i can't comprehend it. i used to look up to that institution and think that they were all doing good for us. just a punch of henchmen trying to make him look good is the impression i got. maybe unfair but that's the impression i got and that's how the family feel today, too. >> what's next? what will you do

i think perhaps you're talking about the cia, the nsa, there are others. i think mr. clapper, mr. brunning, they are behind-the-scenes fighting as best as they can. in front of the camera, they are fighting as best as they can. i think you need to look at what mr. comey, the director of the fbi, and his interaction with brennan in particular, what sort of collusion was happening within our government and overseas? that's the deep concern. >> sean: amazing. congrats on your new book, kimberly. amazon.com, hannity.com. same with jason. matt, great job today. coming up, big news cnn: exposing the fake news propaganda network. written we will tell that story could also, joe concha and jeff react to that. glad you are with us. doug, doug! douglas! we're running dangerously low on beans. people love your beans, doug. they love 'em. doooooooooug! you want to go sell some tacos? progressive knows small business makes big demands. doug, where do we get a replacement chili pepper bulb? so we'll design the insurance solution that fits your business. it's a very niche bulb. it's a specialty b

employee and nsa contractor shared documents from the national security agency about far-reaching surveillance programs. >> people's lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden exposed. >> he was charged of giving national security information to someone without a security clearance. he's living in exile in russia. randi kaye, new york. >> we'll hand it over to chris for cuomo "primetime." >> i am chris cuomo. this is "prime tootime." tonight we'll show that people put in place by this president thought what he was asking from ukraine was wrong. proof of an obvious expectation by ukraine that investigating biden would get them the relationship desired with trump. what do you say, let's get after it. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> this breaking news is from "the new york times." a report that there could be a second potential whistle-blower on ukraine. the "times" says it's a second intel official, one who is also alarmed by president trump's dealings and may have more firsthand information about the situation. however, tonight we don't have to wait. we have the truth i

that were attempting to protect the country in 2016, and that's the intelligence community, the cia, nsa, et cetera, as well as the fbi. those great men and women of those organizations continue to be vigilant and try to keep the nation safe and secure, particularly as we approach the 2020 election, and i anticipate not only the russians will be trying to interfere, meddle and influence, but other countries as well who went to school on what the russians did and the success they enjoyed in 2016. >> and, of course, we're in a remarkable situation now where the president seems to be inviting countries to do the same. director clapper, thanks very much. >> thanks, jim. >> that tells us a lot others have learned from russia and others will do the same. >> absolutely. >> a lot ahead. coming up we'll speak with congressman jamie raskin who sits on the intelligence and oversight committees. will one or both of the whistleblowers testify? more on the trump administration's stunning move overnight withdrawing troops from northern syria. what does this mean for the u.s.-backed kurdish forces in th

. >> to be demasked from nsa reports. if i wasn't in a list of the time-- >> laura: you would not have done what samantha power had wasked. >> i can to it. >> laura: all these people were asking for unmasking like popcorn at that the reader. >> the steele dossier was used in fisa requests to spy on trump appointees. we know it was leaked against general flynn and senator sessions. the president said something very clear. i don't want this to happen again to either to democratic candidates. >> laura: i think he has a duty to look into this. a duty to have someone look into this. >> you know, the intelligence committee is on it. they haven't done anything to address it, they admit that it happened and put in place rules to make sure it never happens again. that wouldn't be too difficult. >> laura: do youn think schiff should recuse himself from this entire affair, given his ties to the ukrainian arms merchants, he had a vested interest in keeping the big war machine going and hilary would've been a much better pig for him.

that is run by the nsa. they get mad at the military. the military gets mad at the civilians. they can't find a pathway forward. that's when nixon gives his silent majority speech. it commits them to this long, gradual program of withdrawal. during the program, nixon directs a south vietnamese u.s. army force into cambodia in 1970 to disrupt the north vietnamese logistics base camp that is over there. a few months later, and even larger offensive into laos. these two are linked conceptually. they are also linked practically. what happens is, when we send those troops into laos, the north vietnamese public. is taken by surprise. there is a certain amount of tactical response but they are taken by surprise by the fact that in the could send his forces into cambodia. they convene a planning committee to figure out if nixon is going to go into cambodia to disrupt logistics there, what is his next logical move? the next logical move is to do it again but this time up in laos. closer to the source of supply. a bigger threat to the north vietnamese forces than cambodia had been. havi

. >> reporter: a former cia employee and nsa contractor shared documents from the national security agencyrveillance programs. >> people's lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden exposed. >> he was charged of giving national security information to someone without a security clearance. he's living in exile in russia. randi kaye, new york. >> we'll hand it over to chris for cuomo "primetime." >> i am chris cuomo. this is "prime tootime." tonight we'll show that people put in place by this president thought what he was asking from ukraine was wrong. proof of an obvious expectation by ukraine that investigating biden would get them the

. >> the former deputy director of the nsa, basically the cyber operations response. he said after obama delivered a tough warning that there was a discernible downturn in activity in terms of volume but not a substantive change in the aggression. it's still as active as what they were taking away in the public and private sectors. >> they basically la lay out wht they are going to do so i mean, what is it that they are going to do in general they were trying to build for carriers so what is their approach? >> it is basically asymmetric they know russia and china can't gain the territory by rolling their tanks across the border in a kerr carrier they are not goio build 12 aircraft carriers, so they do it in an asymmetric fashion and the strategies again he likes the chinese wrote an essay laying out the little green men. the chinese call it something different but it's called winning without fighting and the idea is again finding ways for david to beat goliath in military terms and this is a piece of the shadow war below the threshold of where the u.s. reacts conseque