and with other capabilities, the leaked nsa tools. one was the most restrictive cyber attack in history, $10 billion of damage. .. through four years later we can't pin it down we don't know who did it and that's why it's one of the most significant leaks of classified information ever. >> i think they made it clear that they wanted money. was this just nothing more than a criminal enterprise? >> that's certainly a >> that certainly is the degree. shout a brokers talk about how the get paid enough money they would stop. 13 of the case that a former insider or former contractor who decided that this was something to do to try to get money and then disappear. again, another theory is we see many times, the masquerading as a criminal element is a mess great and it's an intelligence operation. it's remarkable we still don't know. >> it opens up another interesting idea when it comes tracking and cyber espionage and there's a story in the "new york times" this morning about it nsa phone program the cost $100 $100 billion from 2015-2019 but

courtney: again birth fascinating, running sample of the nsa taking an offensive role in this and it paid off in the end. it was successful for them. i'm surprised thehe character is characterization of the pla. when van describes the pla action specifically this case he said the chinese hackers were sloppy at times. lack of discipline operational security. it was sometimesil even login on their stock and pornography. ben: and is true. everyone has a boss in a budget and you can imagine the chinese hackers want them to hit more targets. the going to be sloppy and take shortcuts. and they get bored and lazy. and they decide, the odds of us getting caught are exceptionally low. so then they do other activities or took the market or whatever. that shows a human side of this business. second person and hoodie behind keyboard. but in this case are also checking facebook. courtney: tell about shadow brokers. ben: there probably the single biggest mystery. every author has his white well. every journalist probably has it as well. there are mine and i got pieces of the story, fascinating sto

i also found interesting in the example is these planes can you explain how that works and how the nsa was able to intervene? >> what is fascinating is its old cat and mouse and spy versus spy deception and one way they work to reading ouwere agreeingn is that they would hack the third-party countries and in the united states from those computers and what they had to do they had no idea that it was happening. every nation takes precaution when it's carrying out the cyber espionage and its allies as well. the russians had a thing that they were doing for a period of time where they would pack the communications and then they moved out of africa because they thought that it might not be looking. western intelligence agencies were looking so it is a constant game of trying to hide your hand eo you get more freedom of observations. >> another thing i found very fascinating not only was this an example of the nsa taking in offensive role and it paid off in the end. it was successful. and if you could indulge me for just a second and is short section when he describes the piecthepieces they

the nsa, the largest employer for the code breaking. it certainly is incredibly genius. being able to punch well above their weight so those are probably the top five probably in that order. from the center of strategic international studies, thanks for the conversation. it's a great discussion about the book and i look forward to reading it. i'm interested in what you mentioned about to be security and i'm interested in the resilient measures we can take from the united states government perspective to come away from the whack a mole spproach and thinking along the lines of digital literacy and it is kind of measures comes just wondering your thoughts on it. >> it is a really hard question. that's probably part of the problem but i also wonder what can they do about this and former officer is fond of saying freedom of speech which is to bsay you might have the right n the united states as an american criminalo to russian intelligene eoperatives that their right to say something that isn't true but it doesn't mean they need to amplify it. in thehe context in which we hae

to the computers of american officials and polling information back and what's striking is what the nsa did. a single intelligence agency says rep to stop this. the chinese operatives who are part of the army were hacking in the hack those computers and hack the home network of a chinese act are and they hack the broader network that was turning out these operations may hack the internet company so they could look at the billing records and confirm who is behind these activities? the use that information to go and be ready to defend against the pats. a cat and mouse game happens in cyberspace a daily competition. all of those was secret. it's endemic. >> commonly used between the time the u.s. was able to counter size on china and how many -- they make its been unfolding years and is worth saying this was one battle and a much broader war or when the espionage case in a broader campaign. it was one case in which nice tasted very well but there are many in which the chinese activity went uninhibited an expensive chinese campaign against a military invasion and the warplanes. the chinese

contractorer nsa revealed out mass surveillance was being used by americann secret services to spy onts own n citizens and allied governmentnts across the world. >> even if you are notot doing anythingng wrong, you're being watched and recorded. shared his proofof. soon after he became the most wanted man on the planet. hunted by the u.u.s. government and several intelligence he reached out to a canadian lawyer well-known for defending asylum-seekers in the region. morning, thearly very --june, which is a whicich is a money mororning, ii rereceived a c call. it was a request for help. >> hi. >> how are you holding up? >> i am doing well. thank you so much for helping. whether it is something pirate and they cannot be discscovered byy police. human rights lawyer rorobert tibbo masterminded the plan to hide snowden and one of the poorest neighborhoods. community is so marginalized, they are hong kong's version of the untouchables. it's highly unlikely anyone will be looking there. government would never expect that mr. snowden would be living with or hiding within this community that is

in recent weeks analysts from the cia, the nsa and others have reached staff at "the new york times"bout the origins of this virus, but the newspaper has still not reported their findings. at the same time, and this may be directly related, china has been waging an unremitting propaganda war on the subject. chinese officials have tried to squelch all conversations about who might be responsible for this pandemic by inflaming the political sensitivities and race guilds of american elites. watch this clip from early last month as a spokesperson for the chinese foreign ministry tries to dictate how american press outlets describe the virus. >> social media say this coronavirus is a china virus. this is extremely irresponsible, and we firmly oppose that. >> tucker: among the many ironies and what you just heard, even now, even today, the disease is widely referred to in china as the wuhan virus. our news outlets, meanwhile, almost always call it covid-19. that term does not translate to chinese. back in january under influence from chinese leaders who were anxious to deflect responsibili

those relationships, and really make sure that we move the department forward in this time with the nsa agreement as well as with the various stakeholders. >> you know, chief, you come to this job with really a sterling reputation after years in the san francisco police department and nearly 20 years in san mateo. everyone described your leadership as being very even handed and very effective. coming to oakland, as kristen mentioned, which had so many police chiefs over the past years. many also came to the job with a sterling reputation and left scarred by this. so there's some risk to you. are you, a, concerned about that? then what are you going to do to build bridges with the police officers association and police commission and that friction caused a lot of chiefs not to last very long. >> right. you know, i think the hallmark of my leadership and what has built that reputation over time is that i'm passionate, compassionate. i have the experience. i the leadership, the guidance, direction, and mostly, i'm authentic, and i insure that each of these relationships gets to the interes

most of the ai that we have is voiced by females and also you put out a track called "party at the nsahat do you think of the widespread acceptance of surveillance in our homes with things like google home, assistance and such. >> yeah, there is quite a lineage between our female operators, and now pa announcements at train stations, participates, gps, and there is lots of reasons and justifications for that. some say that both men and women respo respond. i think it is a cultural association that we now have. and especially with conversational ai like siri, alex is alexa and all of these tools they're teaching us to assume that female voices will be quiet and subservient. i think we're teaching a generation of kids to bark commands at ambient help mates floating around the house. i interview a woman who just built in something called pretty bless, they have to say please before they get anything from siri. i don't think that gets to the root of the problem, but we are talking about how is a knew really ai, and these are important questions that we should be thinking about and they're

area which is the large metropolitan area on the kansas— missouri large metropolitan area on the ka nsaslarge kurt —— church conference at the place, several of the 19 cases from that, including three cases that, including three cases that resulted in deaths. when can we see our conclusion to all this? governor once a decision made on this by easter sunday, that typically is not how quickly the kansas supreme court operates, normally i waiting several weeks if not months for a decision to be handed down. so we will find out perhaps more tomorrow morning if the court will expedite that quickly, or if we may not have a ruling this weekend. it is a detailed story but thank you for something that up so well, melissa brenner live from kansas. this is bbc news. the latest headlines: mass the latest headlines: burials have begun in new york. mass burials have begun in new york. signs emerging that infections are levelling off. the uk has recorded its highest daily deaf dog with almost a thousand people dying in british hospitals in the past 2a hours. —— death toll. the british red cross says th

agencies which are on the front lines of the battle against the coronavirus as well as fort meade, the nsa, the u.s. cyber command and other federal installations that are critical to the security of the nation. thank thesincerely trump administration for listening to our concerns, for responding to us, and for designating the baltimore and-washington corridor and these 12 maryland jurisdictions as priority areas. crisis continues to escalate here in baltimore city, we are continuing to work closely with mayor young and the city leaders to help them respond effectively with 10 confirmed positive cases within the baltimore city police force currently --ffers officers currently in quarantined, the superintendent jerry jones has been in commit occasion with commissioner harrison to offer additional state assistance. maryland state troopers, maryland transportation authority police, and other state law enforcement agencies assignmentsng their and visibility patrols in baltimore city. troopers are working in areas of need as requested by bpd command staff and enhanced state criminal enforcement

my question is where in the hell was the cia and nsa. don't we know more about what is happening? what are we paying for? we don't know what china is doing. we don't know what russia is doing. we don't know what iran is doing. i wonder who these folks are spying on and surveilling and analyzing with the tens of millions of dollars we spend on our intelligence community. >> i would push back on that. my guess is the president has intelligence and he does know. there is a reason why the president put that travel ban into place when nobody else other than senator tom cotton was talking about it. and tom cotton didn't get a phone call from wuhan to tell him what was going on. he was probably reading and seeing things the rest of the senate wasn't paying attention to. my guess is they know a lot more but they can't say it. it would unearth -- i have been out there -- go ahead. lou: no, you are sensitive to it and so am i and so are millions of americans. we have seen our government net react as quickly as it should. our intelligence services

hypocrisy of what we say this is virtue signaling and another distant factor that i wrote for the times, nsa, recycling is garbage. this title captures the provocative argument, and the record in the most hate mail ever generated by new york times article.. [applause]. john's journalism appears not just in the times but in the wall street journal the clinic new york esquire washington post and many other leading publications as adjoining civic journal john has continued to eliminate in the range writing about among other things the country productivity of anti- bathing, public health measures how drugs developed and why the left is actually waging the real war on science and in our latest issue, almost guaranteed to drive everybody insane is my plastic bags are in fact better for the environment than all of the alternatives. [applause]. with this piece, like his other work, again shows his talent exploding widely accepted views as healthy. the broadcasting city journal video based on john's science, it has instantly had more than 2 million views since we released it. his new book, "the power

hopefully by that point they can be confident about nsa. >>this whole economic down turn by the coronavirus is creating a lie or death situation for americans who medications we've got law reporting now the government the only hope for some of ly them. >>maybe 3 days left. >>diabet brandi titus counts for days by the insulin, she's got left when you turn it upside down you can see. there's not much ft and what happens when that it's one is gone, i'm very i want to end up in a hospital bed. >>siing next to someone that has coronavirus i contract said virus and then it's a killing. >>already ration her insulin since losing her housekeeping job in the coronavirus shut down this week is the crossroads for her that's the last lo at and others like michael shockey whose urvival depends on lifesaving prescriptions and the federal stimulus money they're waiting on to pay for them so this is my st injection a 2 time cancer survivor and crohn's disease patient shockey has insurance and yet what's the co pay for all of that. >>i 500 total like i got a

. >> glenn greenwald from "the intercept" did an interview with former nsa contractor and fugitive edwardbout privacy concerns that tracking programs raise. this is a discussion going on around the world. here is a snippet of that interview. take a listen. >> we're being made to depend on a system that we do not really understand and do not have that much control over. the only thing that we have left are rights, our ideals, our values as people. that's what they're coming for now, that's what they're asking us to give up. >> brian, snowden is right to note the security concerns, handing over information to the government and assuming we can trust this government or any government, it can be troubling to people. >> reporter: absolutely. and i think it really just boils down to who do you trust more, private companies who we give information to every day, or the federal government seeking access to this data? in both cases we're talking about what measures are acceptable in a public health crisis and a national emergency, jake. >> all right, brian fung, thank you so much, appreciate it. >>

we will get an update on nsa body testing, antibody testing could be key to when things reopen. also, nations around the world and now targeting china over beijing's role on the pandemic, how can the globe take on this economic power house to the troon of trillions of dollars. how the last cruise ship still at sea is finally pulling into port. how long its passengers spent on board and on the water. we need each other more than ever. we may be apart, but we're not alone. use aarp community connections to find or create a mutual aid group near you. stay connected and help those in need. there will be parades and sporting events and concerts. to help our communities when they come back together, go to 2020census.gov and respond today to make america's tomorrow brighter. >> bill: believe it or not, the last cruise ship still out at sea amid the pandemic making their way back to land. the msc magnificat reportedly dodged the south of france earlier today, unloading its passengers in spain. in the pacific princess at the dock today in los angeles. get this, all three ships have been

incredibly provocative things in his first year, the cia is doing incredibly provocative things, the nsa and then he gets wind that the russians are taking this seriously, they really think we are planning to launch a first strike and are taking steps accordingly, reagan is horrified and says that's not what he meant so he seeks out, we need to talk to them, there are transcripts of meetings, we need to dial this back, we need to reach out to these people. by the time that happens gorbachev is the head of the soviet union they meet for the first time in 1985 in geneva and it is very tense so they decide to take a walk by the lake, duck into a cabin where fires blaze, just the two of them and their translators and at one point reagan leans in and says if the united states were attacked by aliens from outer space would russia come to our defense and gorbachev says absolutely. reagan says i feel the same way about you. when they come back into the conference room george schultz, secretary of state who has not been privy to this conversation right in his book all of a sudden the atmosphere w

asked about a shelter-at-home, if we did it tomorrow or i did it today iar nsas, you always exempt essentialvices whi means 7,000 arkansans would get up grocery store, go out forthe exercise, which is permitted in all the states. washington state has a shelter in place, but the marijua ops are open, you can still go get your marijuana. sohe exemptions overre the rule. we want to do things that actually work and make a difference in our social isstancing, our wearing masks what is working in arkansas. >> woodruff: so you don't think that by not require org ordering people to stay home not putting other people atsk >> no, i think that, as long as they do wht they're supposed to do, which is social distancing, wear a mask when you're out, this accomplishes the purpose without doing something tharet ly doesn't make a difference, which is acting like you're going to be doing something with a shelter in place when, ifact, everybody can still go out. people are using their own good judgy nt. the eldee staying at home. they're not going out, and, so, we're doing enforcement efforts. so this idea tha

so trying to balance those two nsa for possible way. we think were in a unique position to be one of the first to help find a solution for the country and in that, we can help provide jobs for our people. and some nourishment and food for our customers and understand, we do feed people, and people do need to eat. and we are happy to be a part of that. >> bill: yeah. what you're saying is so simple. and yet, it is so profound. i think for this moment in our country is time. so, what would you advise others to do outside of the state of georgia based on your experience, walt? >> well, i think what we're proving right now is that the comeback, the restoration of business is not business as usual. it is a slow and methodical process to safely introduce activity back into our economy, and most importantly, people back to work doing things in a safe manner. and it is possible, in a reduced capacity to begin to get the wheels turning a little bit, and give people hope, and give people jobs. and so, you know, obviously, not one-size-fits-all. w

my job on the nsa was to be a dilettante working on many issues where i had no academic bona fides. but on military action, that was something i did know something about. the only article i wrote while i was working at the nsc was an article for sam huntington. i remember steve was like -- you're not going to write an article while you are working for me. i said i had to do it. he read the article and said -- that is so boring, no one will read that. go ahead. [laughter] but, i had a precommitment academic theory on how civil-military relations ought to go and it was different from the way that sam huntington thought it should go. and then come in the process of the surge, i remember trying to structure it to the extent that i could in the direction that my own prior research said leads to better outcomes than that. and this is how you manage the flaws in sam huntington's approach. i remember doing that. but we ended up doing was something different. it was exquisitely painful for me as an academic and practitioner of civil-mil to see my theory's and my not tested, semi-found not wa

also, you put out a track a wild back called party in the nsa.onder how we got this widespread acceptance of surveillance in our homes. things like google home, voice assistance and such things. >> great question. i was surprised when i was doing research for this book to discover there is a clear edge between female operators and the way we are accustomed to hearing female voices on the other side of the phone like operators, gps is, a systems. announcements and train stations, airports. it often tends to be female voices. some people say that both men and women respond more positively to a female voice in that context. i don't know if that is true. i heard female voices cut through ambient sounds. i don't think that is true. i think it is a cultural association we had now have. i think it is important for us to begin to deconstruct that quickly, especially with conversations with a i, like siri and alexa and all these tools. they are sort of teaching us to automatically assume that the voices will be subservient to our commands. especially kids

several weeks after the nsa and health officials required he do so. 31st, at a news conference, the president finally sufinal ly succumbs to the coronavirus reality, saying it is absolutely critical for the american people to follow the guidelines for the next 30 days. >> it's a matter of life and death, frankly. it is a matter of life and death. i know our citizens will rise to the occasion, and they already have sacrificed a lot. >> he had actually called it a hoax before then. >> called the press coverage, called the press coverage a hoax, saying they were exaggerating. >> the "post" concludes the united states will likely go down as the country that was supposedly best prepared to fight a pandemic but ended up catastrophically overmatched. it did not have to happen this way. though not perfectly prepared, the united states had more expertise, resources, plans, and epide epi deem l experience than dozens of countries who ultimately faired far better in fending off the vir virus. it may never be known how many thousands of deaths or millions of infe

and also, you put out a track a while back called "party in the nsa."m wondering what you think about how we have got this widespread acceptance of surveillance in our homes, with things like google home and alexa. claire: good questions. i was surprised when i was doing the historical research that is book, to discover that there is a very clear lineage between female telephone operators and the way we are accustomed to hearing female voices on the other side of the phone in these kind of servile roles. and a.i., gps's systems, but also in train stations and airports, it's often a female voice. there are many reasons for the justification of that. some people say both men and women respond more positively to a female voice in that context. i don't know if it is true. i have heard that female voices cut through ambient sound more clearly -- i don't know if that is true. i think it is a cultural association that we now have. i think it is really important for us to begin to deconstruct that quickly, especially with conversational a.i. like siri and alexa

according to an official directly familiar with the matter, last week the nsa and defense intelligencereceived a specific tasking seeking information about the outbreak's early days. current and former officials familiar with the matter also confirmed that the cia received similar instructions. as part of the tasking, the intelligence agencies were asked to determine what the w.h.o. knew about two research labs studying coronavirus in wuhan where the virus was first observed. the move comes as the secretary of state mike pompeo focuses on china's ability to contain the virus shortly after it emerged. a lot of questions about china's behavior here. joining us now from beijing, janis mackey frayer who recently sat done with china's vice foreign minister. what did you find out? >> reporter: there are a lot of questions about what china knew and when it knew it and allegations that it has withheld information, delayed releasing information, even suppressing whistleblowers. all of these questions have lingered pretty much since the beginning of the outbreak. and it is now when the virus app

ai that we have is voiced by females, and also you put out a track a while back called "party at the nsa i wonder what you think of how we have this widespread surveillance in our homes with things like google home and voice assistance and such. >> two big questions. yeah, i was surprised when i was doing the historical research to discover there is a clear lineage between female telephone operators and the way we're accustomed to hearing female voices on the other side of the phone in these roles, operators, gpss, ai systems. but also pa announcements in train stations and airports. there's lots of different reasons and justifications for that. some people say both men and women respond more positively to a female voice in that context. i don't know if that's true. i've heard female voices cut through ambient sound more clearly. some think that's true. i think it's a cultural association that we now have. i think it's really important for us to begin to deconstruct that quickly, especially with conversational ai like siri and alexa and cortana and all these tools. they are sort of teach

i was the only person to be director of cia and director of the nsa. michael hayden. ok. i used to be an officer in our directorate of operations before i changed careers and served in another capacity for a number of years and then became director. well yes, you could say that because any of the oss grads. this is directorate of operations meeting cia position. he was a case officer for about 10 years. gates was an analyst. porter goss. he worked in the d. o., had to leave for medical reasons and became a local politician in florida and then a congressional preservative, ran the house oversight committee for a while, then became our director. i am the only person up here who is both director of central intelligence and director of cia. goss again. he was running the agency when the dni position was set up, the intelligence, terrorism -- intelligence reform and prevention act passed in 2004, effective 2005. it abolished the position of dci and for the first time in history created statutory the director of central intelligence agency. we will talk about the effect that ha

i was the only person to be director of cia and director of the nsa. michael hayden. ok. i used to be an officer in our director ate of operations before i changed careers and served in another capacity for a number of years and then became director. >>>[inaudible]. >> well, yes. you could say that, i guess, of any of the oss grads, if you will, but i'm thinking of someone different. this is director of operations, meaning cia position. he was a case a officer for about ten years. >> gates. >> no. gates was an analyst. porter goss. he worked in the do as a case officer for about 12 years or so, had to leave for medical reasons. then became a local politician in florida and then a congressional representative, ran the house oversight committee for a while and then became our director. i am the only person up here who is both director of central intelligence and director of the c cia. >>>[inaudible]. >> goss again. he was running the agency when the dni position was set up. the intelligence -- terrorism intelligence -- excuse me -- intelligence reform and terrorism pretengs

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news has reported exclusively the intelligence community is out on the streets right now, the cia, nsadepartment, they are collecting the intelligence necessary to show what w. a high degree of competence that the chinese government has done this who are risk thing that you are saying now and reporting now. that there were these riots and inciting panic. but the chinese were trying to do. all the way back to where did the bias actually come from? right? so once all that information comes out, we are going to be looking for a high degree of confidence from our sources and from our intelligence community. to be able to shoat world, to build those alliances that in fact china is culpable for this. over the next couple of weeks that's what you are going to see hopefully a report put out unclassified for the american people and a classified version for our allies as we form that global response and then president trump has an opportunity to share with the country what we know. we have to rally around those facts and ultimately rally around him. and that's what it's going to take to show chi

because we have found out over the past week, whether it was peter navarro, whether it was deputy nsa, there were people -- >> warnings came from all over. >> harsh warnings. the cdc started getting information together last year on december 31st. but here we are. yesterday, of course, the absolute worst day when it came to deaths, but some signs, as dr. fauci said, some signs of hope that at least this first wave, we may be flattening the curve in this first wave. >> yeah. you can add in the intelligence agencies of this country, which warned the white house and warned public officials that this was happening in china and it was coming to the united states. of course, those warnings largely ignored by the white house, unfortunately. the good news that we hear from dr. fauci is that the national death toll number, he believes, will be lower than they initially expected. when they came out, he and dr. birx said it could be between 100,000 to 240,000 americans dead from coronavirus. it stopped us in our tracks. he said because of social distancing, and now because we're doing things we

that i don't have a stake in this volume, i have no you know i was not interviewed for it, i didn't do nsa for, it i wasn't outside and outside referee, but i'd also hope that peter fever will take my comments thoughtfully, as an objective scholar, because i did not sign the letter as an academic in 2002, opposing the war. and i would like to think that i've come to whatever views i've had, which are pretty complex and textured, about the decision to go to war. and about the aftermath and just because, i am an academic, doesn't mean i have vested opinions, politically inspired. >> you're on probation. >> yes i'm on probation i know, ten minutes from now i think i will probably not get your approbation. but at least some on probation right now there. but i want to say, i was asked to make some comment, overall comments about the book and serge and i think it's a wonderful book. the interviews, are really illuminating, the volume is seamlessly edited, the interviews are, brought together in a very very effective way. so that they provide, an excellent really excellent chronological overview