citizens by the nsa and tucker carlson is one of them?a as you are well aware and everyone is aware and everyone on this plane is aware is entities that focus on foreign threats and individuals who are attempting to do us harm on foreign soil. so that is their purview, but beyond that, i would point to the intelligence community. >> tucker: her wikipedia entry, ask them here at about here is what you notice, no denial. of course she is right the nsa is chartered to spy on foreigners but not americans. that is a legal purity of the nsa does routinely spy on americans, we don't call it spying but millions of americans and sometimes it doesn't for political reasons and everyone knows this. everyone, including sitting members of the intel community. some of them apparent with their own communications, that is true. and in washington it is considered considered a fine but it is dangerous and wrong. some faceless hack and government spy agency decides that he will hurt you and there is nothing you can do about it? that could happen to you. and

citizens by the nsa and is tucker carlson one of them?as i'm sure you're well aware, as everyone on this plane is aware is an entity that focuses on foreign threats and individuals who are attempting to do was harm on foreign soil. so that is their purview but beyond that i would point you to the intelligence community. >> tucker: it's like she's reading a wikipedia entry. ask them. but here's what you notice, no denial. of course, she's right that the nsa's charter to spy on foreigners, foreigners, o non-americans, that's illegal. and if the nsa does routinely spy on americans, sometimes it does it for political reasons and everyone knows this, including sitting members of the intel community. some are paranoid about their own communication, that's true. in washington this is considered fine, but it's not fine. d it's dangerous and wrong. some faceless hack decides he doesn't like what you think, and he's going to hurt you and nthere's nothing you can do abt it? that could happen to you. and what it does happen, trust us. they will call

the biggest challenge was trying to get inside the nsa and i was worried about that when i signed on to do this book and i didn't know how i would tackle it. i had been given some access to this document cited a little bit more than insight take than the average journalist but i really wanted to tell it through a person's eyes so the luckiest serendipitous moment in receipt training the book, sitting at my local, was never going to get inside the nsa's head on this and my coworker who used to cover cybersecurity for a long time said should test a godfather cyber war is never occurred to me he talked to you. i gave the name, jim called him one day and said in writing this book about firearms and market for cyber arms and how these programs started in the u.s. government and he walked me through the early days of the market and explained that it started in the cold war american typewriters at the u.s. embassy when the nsa discovered the timing the back coil of a typewriter that measured the slightest magnetic disturbance in the magnetic field catalog and resending it by radio at the em

first of all, as you are aware, nsa has 340 academic centers throughout the u.s.quartered on the east coast so we need to be much more visible and involved in places outside the national capitol region and that's what we've done to begin with. so places like nsa hawaii, texas, alaska are all opportunities for us to broaden our reach. the second speaks to secretaries, in regard to accountability. i hold all 500 senior executive service members of nsa accountable for diversity, equality and inclusion rated every single year so they understand it's a priority for our agency and the final piece, we have to have a series of abilities for developed workforces, one thing to recruit the workforce but how do we develop that workforce? is representative of the demographics of our nation not only do we hire them but when we get to our senior levels as well. >> great, thank you very much. i'll offer or ask as well a question about the china task force recommendations that came out this week and perhaps later we can address that. now that we can discuss this, i'll ask about th

so places like nsa hawaii, nsa texas, nsa alaska, are all opportunities for us to be able to broaden our reach. the second piece speaks to secretary moultrie's comments with regards to accountability. i hold all 500 senior executive service members of nsa accountable for our diversity, equality, and inclusion. they're rated every single year. and so they understand that this is a priority for our agency. it's a priority for its director. and then the o final piece is tt we haverk to have a series of abilities for us to develop a workforce. it's one i thing to recruit the workforce, but how do we develop the workforce so the work force is representative of the demograph,s of ourur nation, no only when we hire them but when we get to senior levels as well. >> great. thank you very much. i just offer as well or ask as well a question about the china task force recommendations that came out this week. and perhaps in a classified brief later, we can address that. and now that we can maybe travel again, general nakasone, i will again invite you out to the community college to visit your pr

this morning, we filed an employer request asking for all information that the nsa and other agenciese gatheredol about the show. we did it mostly as a formality and contact of the press office of both nsa and the fbi you don't expect to hear much back, that's the way that usually goes. only congress can force transparency on the intelligence agencies and they should do that immediately. spying on opposition journalists is incompatible with democracy. they are doing it to us andge again, they are definitely doing it to us, they are almostop certainly doing it to others. this is scary and we need to stop it right away. farmland is vital, you needed to eat, but you'll never guess who owns most of the farmland in the united states. it tells you a lot and we will tell you who it is straight ahead. ♪ ♪ hearing is important to living life to the fullest. that's why inside every miracle-ear store, you'll find better laughs at family barbecues. you'll find a better life is in store at miracle-ear, when you experience the exclusive miracle-ear advantage. including innovative technology, like t

on monday's show, carlson claimed the biden administration and the nsa were monitoring his electroniccations in order to leak them and take the show off the air. carlson said that he got the information from a whistleblower in the u.s. government. the nsa said the allegation is not true, and carlson has never been an intelligence target. >>> still ahead, the worst traffic in america. the place that dethroned los angeles for having the worst gridlock. ck. still fresh unstopables in-wash scent booster downy unstopables ♪ your whole team can see your upper thigh ♪ ♪ pour that smooth roast and aim that camera up high ♪ ♪ the best part of wakin' up is folgers in your cup ♪ in this ad pay attention to the actor's gums. gums? we don't think about them. but like skin, over time gums can get damaged. new colgate gum renewal. reverses early gum damage for a beautiful, revitalizd smile it's a simple fact: nothing kills more germs on more surfaces than lysol spray. it's a simple fact: it even kills the covid-19 virus. science supports these simple facts. there's only one true lysol. lysol. what i

a number of the things coming out of the executive orders and the work that the nsa director and othertandards bodies will do is important. what is possible to make for greater security, greater insurance, greater privacy globally? we need to think outside the box and not go with the same old stuff that is not working. accountability and transparency are the key. as i said, germany is doing important things to make sure operators and equipment suppliers have very strong requirements. that is what has been missing in the united states. senator king of maine was on a recent sunday show and he said, the recent attacks are a wake-up call for america. congress has dropped the ball and not exercised their oversight. there need to be requirements and objectives. there need to be funding and authority. heads need to roll if we don't do what we need --what is necessary to make america safer. that's what we do when we are serious about a problem and we don't fall back asleep and forget about it. host: why do you think huawei has been so singled out if there is no danger in using huawei products?

the nsa has conceded.of american citizens. this is not a new thing but widespread. and in a moment we are joined by glenn greenwald to

three-letter agencies, did a bunch of rotations with other agencies and it was when i was working with nsa, it stoked the fire and me for technical analysis, working with technical tools, seeing the affects we can have on the battle space, seeing the fruits of your neighbor when you are behind a computer and you are actually having connecticut facts that make a difference in the global war on terror. that is something that stoked my interest in technology. and then, i was recruited from a position at the pentagon, still working on counterterrorism and intelligence, to help start the counterterrorism analysis program at facebook. i moved to the bay area, originally from california, so not much of a departure. i ended up working at the locus of energy where the tech space was in the silicon valley and loved it. i was in the middle of everything, able to dream and envision everything, and facebook with their resources and engineering talent, we were able to make it happen. so national security seemed to move seamlessly into the tech world in the bay area. i applied a lot of skills i learned a

the nsa are the best at what they do.would have those answers but we didn't see those attacks on our critical infrastructure because frankly, president putin knew that president trump wouldn't respond the way this administration has. it would have been a forceful response. as a result, it's not a coincidence that these things are occurring in the first few months of the biden administration that didn't take place during the trump administration. >> very interesting. i mean we know president biden has said that the intelligence agencies determine that there wasn't a direct link to the government. it will be very interesting to see if more comes out on that given the fact that there would be every ability for the nsa to determine an answer to that question. john ratcliffe, always good to have you with us, sir. thank very much. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: so tomorrow we have a special event on "the story" that you won't want to miss. we speak with security experts, people with deep background in united states military abou

i used it as a tool when i was working at nsa and at the pentagon., when i saw it visited upon people of certain ideologies and the flow of information constricting, viable information constricting. when i saw the profession of people in these big tech companies who stand up for free at -- expression. when i saw ceos and companies turn their back on that after saying explicitly that that was something they wanted to do, that that was why they created these platforms. to me, it became a conservative issue. >> the future of tech policies. and for -- how some conservatives view big tech. walk to the communicator saturday at 6:30 -- watch the communicators saturday at 6:30 p.m. eastern. >> presidential historian doug brinkley has often spoke with c-span. brinkley was educated at ohio state and georgetown. he spent his past 17 years at rice university in houston. he is the author of 20 books focusing on subjects from secretary of state dean atchison to jimmy carter, theodore roosevelt, gerald ford, fdr, and a magic bus. recently, we invited him to talk wi

and we used it as a tool when i was working at the nsa, at the pentagon, at a naval special warfare commandpeople of certain ideologies, the flow of information constricted viable information, when i saw a really the profession of people in these big tech companies to stand up for free expression, when i saw the ceo's and these companies turn their back on that after saying explicitly that was something they wanted to do, that is why they created these platforms, to me it became a conservative issue. announcer: the future of tech policy and how some conservatives view big tech censorship, saturday at 6:30 p.m. eastern on c-span. announcer:ne

that she was dead as a tool when i was working -- and we used it as a tool when i was working at the nsa and the pentagon. it visited upon the flow of information constricted viable information. when i saw the profession of people in these big tech companies standing up for free expression, when a saw the ceos -- i saw the ceos really turn that back after saying explicitly that that was something they wanted to do, that's why they created these platforms, to me it became a conservative issue. announcer: the future of technology, and house of view big tech censorship, saturday at 6:30 p.m. eastern on c-span. announcer: sunday, max hastings will be our guest on in-depth. >> inflicts humiliation upon the most powerful nation. on the evening on the 29th of april, they descended to a rooftop helicopter, secured a place among the symbolic images. for me, as for all my generation, the struggle was our foremost experiences of her careers. -- our careers. i was one of those that flew out of yosemite on that tumultuous day. announcer: join in the conversation with your phone calls, facebook commen

was one that was under my purview, nsa. problem is that law does not allow it. one, we need to take someone from dhs, give then dual hat authority, locate them within the nsa, so when it attacks, the agents that are capable can be utilized. trey: i want to bounce around with you. we sat decide -- jason chaffetz for a number of years, we know there life on other planets, what can you tell me. >> people want to start with alien life form. it is not going to rule anything out or anything in. i think what is important, people can expect about this uap report and i think it will talk about the number of sightings, they are greater than publicly disclosed before. there has been leaking there may be as many as 100, i am not going to dispute that number, what semiconductor important, the number -- what is more important, the number of recordings and sightings that we have picked up by multiple sensors, and you have those under conditions we see uaps, that explains away visual disturbances. i hope the report addresses why we can't answer some ofs explaie explanation when

and it's not like the nsa has never lied to us. mean, we were told that there was no bulk collection of america's data. it turns out there was bulk collection american stayed and no one was ever held to account for that. the chairman is right, and professor wu is right, too. we cannot count on these people to police themselves. and so it's my expectation that the needs to be greater review. so mr. chairman i'm inviting you to continue this bipartisan, bipartisanship come join in calling for inspector general investigation into any monitoring that the nsa or any other element of the intelligence community is engaged relevant to tucker carlson. these denials, he's couched denials raise more questions than to provide answers. and by the way, if democrats don't do this, if you only outraged when your members and your staff and the press that's close to you and that epiphytes your messages is targeted, and we never are quick to solve anything fact be dÉjÀ vu all over again as professor turley said. i'm equally outraged when the target t

the former director of the cia and nsa calls this book chilling, eye-opening and timely, she believes it is time to rethink notions of privacy and set limits on the power of those who are constantly watching, listening and learning about us. it is a chilling subject but one that affects us all, one where a little information could probably go a long way, data is increasingly becoming central to power both among nationstates, economic actors, businesses and employers and how we interact with our data and who accesses it and uses it and derives value from that are increasingly becoming questions central to our very humanity so we will spend the first 49 minutes of the session talking about some of these topics as i will interview april on these questions and then open it up to the question and answer session for the last 10 to 15 minutes of the hour. as we go on, feel free to submit your questions on the ask a question function and we will select them towards the end and go through some of the questions. you can buy this book and delve into the many fascinating topics and examples that

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amy: nsa whistleblower reality winner is released from prison into a halfway house after serving over four years for leaking documents about russian meddling in the 2016 elections. we will speak to her attorney. then china is warning nato is adopting a "cold war mentality" after the military alliance singled out china and russia for criticism at its summit in brussels. we will speak to historian stephen wertheim. his latest piece "sorry, , liberals. but you really shouldn't love nato." >> psident biden at the nato summit set the united states has de a sacred oblation to defend the 30 members of nato, but does that mea t united stes is going to be defending europe, dominating security fears in that continent forever? and because into puerto rico, which suffered a massive blackout last week just days after the island's electrical system was privatized. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. president joe biden has wrapped up a nato summit in brussels, belgium, ahead of a highly anticipated meeting with russian p

. >>> a former nsa contractor sentenced for leaking secrets to the news media released today.ational security information. working as an nsa office in georgia, she printed a classified report, tucked it into her panty hose and left the building that report leaked to the online news outlet the intersect detailed efforts by the russian government to meddle in the 2016 election including efforts to hack a florida-based supplier of voting asofrt ware reality winner sentenced to more than five years. at the time it was the longest sentence ever for a federal crime involving leaks to the news media the release today for good behavior she's now on home confinement. >>> is it wasn't just lawmakers swept up in the justice department's trump era leak investigation. the "new york times" reports don mcgahn's trump's white house counsel at the time had his phone data seized, too the doj subpoenaed apple for it, then barred the company from telling mcgahn the department was investigating who was leaking information about the russia investigation nbc news reached out to apple and mcgahn and

the president now admitting china thinks it will own america by 2035 as a former nsa boss warns that the u.s. could not handle a cyberattack from beijing. president biden unveiled his massive 6 trillion-dollar budget but the economy is already roaring back. so do we really need all of this spending? why president obama says any economic boom is because of him. more on the tensions rising in texas after state democrats staged a dramatic walkout to block a new voting bill. what governor abbott is threatening to do about it. and more bombshells from hunter biden's laptop but why is the media ignoring it, and will it impact the investigation into the president's son? pressure is mounting on the biden administration over the migrant crisis as well, but kamala harris, she has gone over 70 days overseeing the border crisis without visiting the southern border. now she is reportedly trying to distance herself even more. i'm jackie deangelis in for elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. jackie: pressure mounts for the w.h.o. to investigate the covid-19. governor huckabee

and the nsa doesn't tell anybody anything.hat flew to the moon, that was a repurposed spy satellite. somebody at the nsa, this will be fun. nro, national reconnaissance office. yeah, cool. in other words, they don't tell ee spligs -- with respect, they don't tell young navy pilots what they're up to. they just don't and i worked with people who went to green lake, the famous area 51. this is fun. what i don't -- why don't they, why do they not paint spy planes light blue so they would match the sky? why don't they do that? they do do that. >> so you think this is a ufo? what do you think this is? are you implying you believe this might be u.s. military equipment? >> yeah. or u.s. intelligence services. absolutely. you guys, no one thought of aliens. no one worried about aliens until sort of world war i when people were dropping bombs from airplanes, a very traumatic thing. that's when threats from the sky became real. before that in the civil war, 1880s, no one was concerned about the aliens. science fiction hadn't been create

as director of an essay, it's my honor to lead men and women of nsa to provide support to policymakers, department of defense intelligence community. we nurture talent, drive technology and innovation and maintain competitive advantage over adversaries. our focus is on two missions. intelligence of cybersecurity intelligence mission we achieve axis data which provides information advantage in competition classes or conflict. our cybersecurity pressures is to prevent and eradicate cyber threats the gross national security system critical infrastructure with a special emphasis on the defense industrial base our weapons security. typically, an essay military intelligence program provides resources for federal capabilities to increase abilities of the defense intelligence enterprise to deliver accurate timely intelligence to combat commanders and deployed forces. an essay focuses on delivering comprehensive intelligence support when dod cyber space advantage providing technical advance in to ensure strategic advantage supporting fighters and combat commanders in a competitive dangers secur

david kennedy, former nsa hacker, founder of trusted, zak, mr.dy thanks so much helping us understand that, we appreciate your clarity and expertise. >> thank, you i'm hoping for the ohio lottery winner, so i got my vaccine, i'm hoping to get that next. month >> i'll see what i can, do i'll put in a word. >> thanks! >> we have much more ahead tonight, stay with, us. itching for a treat. itching for an outing... or itching for some cuddle time. but you may not know when he's itching for help... licking for help... or rubbing for help. if your dog does these frequently. they may be signs of an allergic skin condition that needs treatment. don't wait. talk to your veterinarian and learn more at itchingforhelp.com. [ suspenseful music ] hey, you wanna get out of here? ah ha. we've got you. during expedia travel week, save 20% or more on thousands of hotels. expedia. it matters who you travel with. feeling sluggish or weighed down? it could be a sign that your digestive system isn't working at it's best taking metamucil everyday can help. metamucil ps

here is inside information former nsa hack every day individual kennedy who worked as a white hat hackerat kind of hacker you were. >> somebody that is hack for good. we are experts that both work for the government to go after other countries that are adversarial to us. and we help the large corporations across the world ask secure their systems so people can't hack into it. jesse: what is the strategy here? the white house said it's a private sector matter. what could the white house do to russia? >> there is no question private sector needs to do more when it comes to defending against these attacks. but we clearly delineated between what constitutes a nation state attack versus the country that har both ransom ware groups. russia has the top five ransom ware companies sitting in their own country targeting corporations in the united states. the biggest issue is there is no delineation between russia as a country that allows the organized crime groups to operate with impunity. we can't extradite them. until that delineation is removed and we hold those countries accountable, it will b

i did a bunch of rotations with other three letter agencies and it was one is working with nsa it really stoked the fire in me for technical analysis or to with technical tools, seeing the effects we could have on the battle space come sing the fruits of your labor winter behind a computer and actually having kinetic effects of different in the global war on terror. that was something that stoked my interest in technology. then i was later recruited from a position at the pentagon still working on counter terrorism and counterterrorism policies and intelligence to help start the counterterrorism analysis program and global security facebook. i moved to the bay area. originally from california so not much of a departure but ended up working at the locus of energy where the tech space was concerned in silicon valley, and just loved it. you're right in the middle of everything and able to dream and innovation anything and then facebook with their resources and their prodigious engineering talent we were able to make it happen. national security it seemed to party much move seamlessly into t

then you have fox news host saying that nsa is looking in on him, right, and i worked for the nationalyou are wondering if there's some kind of drug use involved. so now you have, you know, these conspiracy theories that are running out, and then president trump comes out today and supports the nsa, you know, conspiracy theory that's happening right now, the disinformation that's being pushed out there. nicolle, it almost feels like there's not -- there's not enough of us that are or were republicans that are fighting this battle. so, you know, as the democrats are arguing over there, and i get it, right, with things that are going on, i think we need to turn sort of the target sights over to the disinformation that's just being fed through these social media pipes we've never seen before. you know, i started tracking in 2001 al qaeda senior leadership. you think about social media then or the internet then, and now in 2021, 20 years later, it is amazing how many different pipes can feed directly into people's frontal loebs. fighting that is difficult. i almost feel like a conservative

a year ago at the convention i asked in newberger ahead of cybersecurity for nsa and she now is deputy national security adviser for president biden as you know. i said would you be willing to have in his expert come into huawei facilities to check out what we do and how we do it and make recommendations? that's the kind of thing that is necessary, greater transparency. at the hope we can move for greater transparency for all telecom equipment suppliers and all operators and you think the german government for quite some of that. >> host: and you're watching "the communicators" it is on c-span. our guest this week is andy purdy whose chief security officer for huawei technologies usa. he has an extensive cybersecurity background with the u.s. government. our guest reporter is gopal ratnam of the cq roll call. mr. purdy, can you give us a sense of huawei's operations around the world, how big it is come what countries it's in, what it does? >> guest: huawei is and one in 30 countries and we have a number of things to concentrate on but they carrier networks that we've been talking about

this was the debate in 2002 over whether the nsa would be legally able to collect all of your communications on the internet and phone calls. and the information awareness office was the office that was going to collect all of the electronics communications. there was a huge pushback against it, and this was shelved, other parts were put into other things. a guy convicted, comes back, heading the office, is a military head of darpa on the information awareness office. they've come up with a symbol for this organization where they're saying, we're going to absorb all of your information, we're going to keep it, but trust us, we'll be okay with it and i'm john pondexter, you can believe me. i was in iran-contra. okay? does anyone know the symbol they picked for this association? it's a floating all-seeing eye with a beam coming onto the planet and absorbing all human knowledge. you got to think, you got to be trolling people, right? right? you put science is power underneath a picture of a floating masonic eye with its beam shooting down on i think europe. right? these were the olympic mascots

technology as something that -- it was just a tool and we use it as a tool in when i was working at nsa at the pentagon and a naval special warfare command, yet, when i saw it visited upon people of certain ideologies and the flow of information constricted, viable information constricted, when i saw a really the profession of people in these big tech companies to stand up for free expression, when i saw the ceos and these companies really turn their back on that after saying explicitly that that was something that they wanted to do, that that is why we created these platforms, to me, it became a conservative issue. >> the future of tech policy and how some conservatives view big tech censorship with kara frederick. watch "the communicators" saturday on c-span. ♪ >> my objectives were to understand the process. i was a reporter, so i reported the process and eventually came to recognize that i like to things, i like very much finding out what the story is and i like very much figuring out how to share it. >> sunday night on q&a, peter oz noticed on his memoir, sharing his insight about

the nsa did not -- >> that's what the report says, it says 17 intelligence agencies were involved., there is no reason to argue that. you also can't deny the fact that dozens of russians were indicted for interfering in our election, they interfered by cyber attacks on the democratic national committee headquarters located cyber attacks five hours after president trump pleaded with russia to find the requested e-mails. dan: but how come bob bullock didn't find a connection? there's an entire report disputing everything glacÉ. there is no connection between any american and russian government collision. you read the report -- >> that means you have not read it. there miss stating what the report says. dan: i am not and i can't believe you're putting it out there again this myth that's been debunked 1000 times but there's no evidence what you're saying is actually true. the report was clear that there is no connection between the trump campaign or any american and russian government so why plate up while downplaying the lab week where there's mountains of evidence? how does it make s

in a letter from the nsa, they were asked to strengthen their defenses because, quote, no company islowers his infrastructure bill price tag to $1 trillion and says he will drop a controversial corporate tax hike. todd: griff jenkins joins us as the president is set to meet with republican senator shelleyitoh. >> she returns to the white house where press secretary jen psaki says the sausage making isn't always pretty but monday is no longer a deadline so let's get something done. the president is trying, making more concessions. here is where things stand. the original offer, $2.3 trillion. the latest, just $1 trillion. that is close to the gop's $928 billion plan, the sticking point is how to pay for it. the white house walks back the proposal initially to raise the corporate tax rate to 28% as republicans oppose any taxes or changes to the 2017 tax law that dropped 21% but the white house is now suggesting a 15% minimum tax on any corporation paying taxes, in kentucky mitch mcconnell seems optimistic. >> we continue to talk and hope we get an outcome. if we can't reach a bipartisa

company and private industry >> all right let's bring in david kennedy, former nsa hacker and ceo of trusted sect why are all the attacks seemingly happening now? what ties them together? >> what's interesting is these hacks have been having for a long time. ransomware, nation state attacks but going after critical infrastructure and saw with colonial pipeline the gas shortages. with jbs the meat shortages. they're getting more brazen and the sophistication increasing to target larger targets and they operate freebie by russia. a lot of companies are by impacted by it. >> in new york mta hacked by a chinese originator but a lot of them have been russian is putin of any mind to clamp down and how do you see that dynamic playing out when the presidentmeets with vladimir putin in a couple weeks? >> needs to be a strong tonality and policy shift to address russia specifically. what happened before is the cyber warfare realm is loosely defined. coming from direct countries that are sanctioned by the countries are accepted as far as intelligence gathering purposes. hacking corporations and

and former nsa and senate lawyer will be discussing cyber crimes by giving us details on a digital footprintealing how the private sector, government and employers track and use their data. the former director

joining us is glen grestell, a former general counsel for nsa.u. let's begin with the commends. is the u.s. power grid very vulnerable in your view right now? >> unfortunately, the answer is yes. i think the lesson we are learning from the recent spate of attacks is that hathis is gog to get worse before it gets better. it's not just the energy sector. it's our ability to get everything from a hamburger, because of beef processing plants, to hospitals being shut down and our ability to get x-rays, to gasoline at the pum wpump. lesson we are learning is that all of our sectors are vulnerable. >> it doesn't sound like it is avoidable at all. all companies, our ways of life is relying on technology. that is at the core of these attacks. how can this nation protect itself? >> unfortunately, an analogy to the pandemic, the covid-19 pandemic is a good one. for years, experts were warning about the dangers. when it finally broke out, people downplayed the significance. when it exploded, we were caught short. it turns out everyone is vulnerable. that's t