and of course we saw according to the nsc additional officials from russia traveling to north korea.rs have been exchanged between kim jong-un and president putin talking about deepening their bilateral cooperation between the two country. so it appears that all things are advancing with the nsc saying these are actively advancing efforts to try to pursue this new arms control agreement. we don't know exactly what would be in it, phil. but u.s. officials are saying the expectation is that it would include a significant amount of ammunition to russia for multiple of their weapon systems. and also the possibility of raw materials for russia's defense sector. we know that is key because the number of sanctions on russia right now are just huge. and so their defense sector has really been struggling as they have engaged in the ukraine war. phil? >> big developments. kylie atwood for us. thank you so much. >>> joining us now former defense secretary under president trump mark esper. how much this reporting if it happens and it plays out the way that u.s. intelligence is indicating that it

that was just in july according to the nsc.t was an effort on his behalf to try and convince north korea to sell them munitions, ammunition to be used on the battlefield. then we also saw another delegation of russian officials that followed up that trip and also went to north korea. and according to the nsc, there have also been letters that have been exchanged in recent months between president putin and kim jong un talking about building on their bilateral relationship. so call of these events appear to be building towards what could potentially be this meeting between the two leaders. we don't know exactly when this is going to take place. adrian watson, nsc spokesperson, said that u.s. officials believe that kim jong un is expecting for a leader-level meeting. "the new york times" is reporting that this could happen as soon as this month in vladivostok, which is in the far east in russia. that is a place where kim jong un has actually traveled by train in the past. now, when it comes to this potential new arms agreement th

according to the nsc spokesperson, adrian watson, it's kim jong-un who is expecting to have an engagement with president putin in russia. she didn't say exactly when u.s. information expects that is going to happen according to "the new york times" which first reported this. they said it's likely to happen this month. when it comes to the backdrop here, jim, we've been hearing a lot from u.s. officials over the course of the last weeks as they have said that there's actively advancing engagements between the two countries on this potential new arms deal. we saw russian defense minister shoigu travel to north korea in july. according to officials, he was trying to convince north korea to sell to russia ammunition. there was a follow-on following that meeting. we also know according to nsc that kim jong-un and president putin have actually exchanged letters, talking about advancing the relationship between the two countries. it looks like there has been a backdrop, some significant work going into this over the course of the last few months. we don't know exactly what would be in this arms

okay, state department and the nsc did not like that speech. a little emboldened. quoted bits and pieces but these were highly intelligent very experienced people not that that thought went through my mind at the time what were they thinking? >> they were reflecting a lot of the conventional wisdom in the expert opinion of the day. and i do not use that divisively. this is where it really brings out reagan's strategic genius he was willing -- michael summarize it this way most of the conventional foreign policy wisdom of the day including every previous american president primarily as a big power contest the powerful soviet union and the powerful united states. they sell their charges largely managing that. do not let the soviets expand anymore. but at the same time we need to assume the soviet union and the warsaw pact will be there almost in perpetuity but those are permanent features on the geopoliticaly landscape. and reagan you know how you channeled as much of the vision and the speech reverse that. he saw the cold war as primarily a battle of ideas. because

and we also know, according to nsc that kim jong-un and putin talked about deepening the relationship meeting in a matter of weeks. thanks very much. >>> let's bring in "new york times" white house and national security correspondent david sanger. david, i want to start with white house officials have been warning about the possibility of this, have been signaling this was a potential likelihood over the course of several months. obviously as poppy and kylie just laid out, the progression that we have seen on a bilateral basis between russia and north korea. why now, though, in terms of actually moving forward on these weapon sales and deliveries? >> well, phil, it's really fascinating question. and i think the answer is that the russians are probably running low on ammunition, just as ukraine did. you'll remember that when the united states needed to find artillery shells for ukraine, it got them from south korea. and that's because the korean peninsula has basically armed up with the kind of artillery on both sides that the russians need, that the ukrainians need. so i think from th

help us with the distinctions with those in the nsc and nsc in the white house. >> our purpose is provide things provide counsel, national security council and we are there to lead coordination and implementation. that's laid out as clear what our mandate is in the white house. so to achieve that, we worked hand and glove with the national security council and with eop partners in order to execute the president's vision so that includes omb, ostp and national economic council, et cetera, but we have to be able to work hand and glove. so the reason for that is because cybersecurity is a national security concern that we also work with ostp and we also nsc and omb why because we are all in this boat together. we are all here to drive to the same vision and cybersecurity is clearly a national security concern but also one of tech innovation and one of economic opportunity and so we have to be able to make sure that we are cohesive when we drive, so we have to work hand in hand with the national security council, that's what that means. >> that helps. something that's near and tear -- dear to

griff: anthony, you served on the nsc under president trump and had north korea as an assignment andow we hear the news that kim jong-un is going to make this trip, this week or who knows, tomorrow, to meet with putin. what do you make of that. how concerning is that to you? >> it's a long relationship the two countries have had. it's not new, it's not just because of ukraine, but north korea sees an opportunity. they know that they need china and russia to be on their side and on that side of russia is china and north korea and iran. i've written about this before. the administration is trying to shame kim jong-un to stop the weapons transfers. he has no shame. he has no problem sending three generations of north koreans to concentration camps. he's not going shamed in front of a podium in the white house press room. griff: you bring up this administration versus the former president. last night at a rally, former president trump alluded to north korea. >> and i said to kim jong-un, you have a beautiful shoreline, think of it, you're between china, russia and north korea. you could

the nsc is not saying anything regarding timing and the new york times is saying that it could be invladivostock as soon as this month, and we know that kim jong-un has gone there in the past, and he has taken a train there, and it is close to north korea and russia. officials have been warning in the course of recent weeks that these conversations between north korea and russia on the potential new arms agreement between the two countries have been actively advancing. we have been seeing the steps that could indicate that they are headed towards a leader level discussion on the matter. it is back in july when the russian defense minister traveled to north korea and according to the nsc to have arms sold to russia. and there was also a delegation officials from russia that went to north korea after that, and since then, kim jong-un and putin have exchanged letters. and john kirby said this is showing an act of desperation on the part of putin. this what he shared. >> weakness! why else would mr. putin have to be reaching out to rogue regimes. he is going to iran, and going to north k

so stick up for the nsc to the objection to the speech 30 years ago.ou are right in the middle of berlin for those who forgot the speech or don't care to remember but come in and stick up for these guys. >> is the process is important because you want to give the president a broad range of views but the national security advisor you are the only person in the united states government in the form policy national security arena has the president has the only client and you get the president a say so it is important you spend time with the president as you did, peter on these important speeches. i had a great relationship with those in the white house and we work together coming upon a number speeches pretty early and then to ensure that those got to the president early so he could put his imprint on it. i think if you look at the warsaw speech for example there are echoes of the berlin speech and that speech it is a messy and important aspect of the job to help the president craft speeches that allows him to first of all decide on his foreign-policy agen

there is a memo for the nsc session later that night, probably statutorily there had to be. but. but none for the morning meeting. when kennedy first handed the plan to get out of vietnam and then discuss what to do with it, how to how to go about a public statement to explain the policy to the american public and to congress. and i would note that congress is a really important player here. and we've spoken about the executive branch for for much of of of our time here. but one of the reasons that kennedy that kennedy dispatches taylor and mcnamara to vietnam is so they can back and give a rosy report to congress about how things were going because people are up in arms about the kind insurgency kennedy is having an awful time winning the battle with congress to fund foreign aid package at close to the levels that he wanted. and it's being gutted by 25% in vietnam. a big part of that. and you can hear mcnamara talking about the need to be able tell bill fulbright, chair of the senate foreign relations committee and others the things are going okay in vietnam that we have a grip

help us understand the distinction between the roles of the nsc and cd inside the white house. >> our things, the national security council, we are there to lead implementation and the layout is clear what the mandate is in the white house. to achieve that we work hand in glove with the national security council and our other eop partners to execute the president's vision, that includes omb, ocp and the national economic council etc. but we have to be able to work and in glove, the reason for that, cybersecurity is a national security concern. we also work with nsc and omb because we are all in this boat together, we are all here to drive to the same vision. cybersecurity is clearly a national security concern but also one of protecting the nation, one of economic opportunity. we have to be able to make sure we are cohesive when we drive so we have to work hand in hand with the national security council. >> that helps. something near and dear to my heart. i love measuring things, security outcomes are the hardest things to measure but i love in the plan, the strategy talks about takin

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each other, i wasjoined earlier byjennifer welch, chief geoeconomics analyst at bloomberg and former nsca and taiwan. great to have you with us. thank you for coming to the studio. if we look at what we have been seeing it appears that we are seeing an ever strengthening relationship between vladimir putin and kim jong—un. is that what you are seeing and how concerned do you think we should be about that? i think that is exactly right, especially comparing this meeting to their last meeting in 2019 when kim jong—un sought sanctions relief under wrong us pressure. not a lot from moscow at that time. she didn't offered six party talks but other than that didn't reach further forward. other than that didn't reach furtherforward. today other than that didn't reach further forward. today we are seeing two leaders was something to gain and a lot to lose —— less to lose facing us sanctions, heavy sanctions. 0nly sanctions, heavy sanctions. only a few needs munitions and workers. england needs technology, military technology, military technology, and food. if you see the prospect _ technology, a

with me isjennifer welch, chief geoeconomics analyst at bloomberg and former nsc directorfor china &advisor to the vp on asia & pacific. if we take a look at what we have been seeing it appears that we are seeing an ever strengthening relationship between vladimir putin and kim jong—un. is that what you are seeing and how concerned do you think we should be about that? i think that is exactly right especially if we compare this to the last meeting in 2019 and kim were seeking sanctions relief amid heavy us pressure. then get a lot of love from moscow at that time. putting indicated support but other than that and reach further forward. today we are seeing two leaders who both have something to gain and a lot less to lose by cooperating with each other given that they are all facing sanctions and putin needs munitions, he needs workers. kim needs energy, he needs military technology, as you mention, and he needs food. of piercing the prospect, then, 0f piercing the prospect, then, of a serious weapons dealer any weapons deal on the table you did mention the fact that the pressure need

administration decision to unfree $6 billion in uranian funds, republicans say, is a bad decision but the nscdrian watson says congress has been in the loop through this process. antony blinken just made the move to move these funds from one restricted account to another and it comes with strings. iran cannot spend on anything but humanitarian things. watson saying, quote, what is pursued is an arrangement wherein we secure the release of five americans, this remains a sense of an ongoing process. this is a step in the process, no individuals have been or will be released into us custody this week. we kept congress extensively informed from the outset of this process long before today. senator tom cotton says the ayatollah will not be spending $6 billion on building children's hospitals. it's going to fuel more tax against israel and to give russia more missiles and drones to use in their attack on ukraine. this is something sitting us interests back because we are sending money to ukraine to fend off russian attacks and they warned this will make it more dangerous for americans abroad becaus

we have briefed staffs of congress and brief representatives from the white house and the nsc. this is probably our second or third webinar on this matter. we are getting the surround but what would you say, ryan? ryan: it's a great question. it's hard to correct misinformation about who is responsible are at fault are at risk because there is so much polarization and finger-pointing in certain public discourse at the moment. there are people, including former extremist who are doing, challenging people who are pursuing others and trying to pursue prosecutions against those so they recruit veterans and others. that broader healing question of can we stop having these impressions about these overly simplistic ideas about who is at risk and was at fault. that's a civil society question that i wish i knew the answer to. i think we are just hunting around in the dark for solutions . as well as trying to have civil conversations that are supported by data if there is data on an issue with one's friends and neighbors. that's a great way to do it and then larger forums are a great way

this office is going to continue to talk to and be in regular contact with nsc and homeland securityng to do everything that we can to combat international trafficking and smuggling, as well. this is a comprehensive approach and that we are going to certainly move forward with. >> okay, and just really quickly, a quick confirmation, if i may. our sources say that u.s. and chinese officials are still working towards a biden-xi meeting in san francisco on the sidelines of apec in november. can you confirm that? ms. jean-pierre: i don't have anything more to what the president has shared on this. i think most recently may have been camp david when he was asked this question. i don't have anything to share on a potential meeting or details on that. surely, if that were to happen, we would certainly share that with all of you. >> a follow-up in regards to the gun violence prevention office that the president will announce in a few moments. why can't the domestic policy council do the same work that this new office is setting up? can you explain what the domestic policy council does versus

. >> bret: the nsc guy says there is restrictions, procedural step from going one bank account to the's our money anyway we will do whatever we want with it. that's their position how they very much view it. likely correct. the administration can say it's not a ransom payment, if one thing is leading to the other, it's effectively a ran some payment, if you are paying billions of dollars for american citizens, that's a wouldn't bou. russians very bad actor, for them to announce this policy on all days of the anniversary of september 11th, this deal with the leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world on a day where the president didn't go to any of the memorials for the first time a president has done that since 2002, that's a substance. >> bret: all right. panel, thank you. >> bret: time for tuesday's exras. i think the handoffs from the knive are back. yea. yes, they are back. they have to repeat now at midnight but we figured out a way. eventually, you know, greg won't say what he said tonight. but next, esta bon wants to know which was your favorite subject in school? great qu

joining us now she also works at the nsc and treasury department and having a busy week. let's start with the prisoner deal. respond if you will to the criticism from some who suggest this is a mistake to pay for hostages because it may indeed inceptvise bad actors from doing it again. and iran floats this could be the first step in improving relations with the united states. do you think that's possible? >> no, to your last point i think it's laughable iran thinks now we have grounds we could imprive our relationship especially when they found they're going to easily and happily nab americans to use as bargaining chips. when they're at the level increasing iranian to the closest weapons grade material ever. it's the lowest point for sure for iranian, u.s. relationship. on the criticism i don't think criticism is wal-marted only because this is good news as secretary blinken said. it's amazing to have these prisonered return. these relations are difficult and trying and complicated and to be honest with you now never know they're going to work until those prisoners are ou

let's watch john kirby, nsc spokesman.orist state will be put in some kind of al gore-style lock box just for humanitarian purposes and when iranians show up with their hallway pass, somehow they're going to make sure it goes to hospitals or whatever. watch this. >> it's not just $6 billion that iranians are just going to be able to write checks whenever they want. stop transactions if -- >> well, the president -- [inaudible] >> the money can only be used for humanitarian purposes. this money is not a blank check. we're not turning a blind eye to anything that iran's doing in a region around the world. elizabeth: this is the same fellow who turned a blind eye to biden's botched exit out of afghanistan saying it was not chaotic. that's the same official who claimed that. that's the same official who has been accused of gaslighting the american people constantly from the biden white house press office. >> john kirbys has lost all credibility here. and let's be honest, iran is the largest state sponsor or terror the, and the

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former senior director of the nsc.n to what we're watching. >> well, it is truly unfortunate. i think this is at least the second time that the biden administration has made a terrible decision as it pertains to getting americans home. the first time, of course, was when we traded victor boot but didn't also get paul whelan home and he remains in unlawful custody in russia. and this deal, i think, is even worse. iran is, of course, a state sponsor of terrorism. and they have a relationship to al qaeda, they fund hezbollah and hamas and they are targeting former u.s. government officials inside the united states and europe, if they are in europe, for some sort of retribution for donald trump's actions when he was president of the united states. and also, bill, the equivalence of this, these americans who i'm glad are coming home, are inn innocents, we, the biden administration, is sending back to iran foreign agents involved in the theft of super computer data for iran, cruise missile programs and on and on and on. so w

and former nsc director for syria and lebanon. it was, i thought, a really well constructed speech. look, he said we always thought the final war, world war iii, would be essentially a nuclear holocaust. but he said other wars seem less scary, but there are other threats. the aggressor is weaponizing many other things, not just against our country but against yours. >> yeah, i thought that was a very compelling point he's making because he's trying to first humanize it, when he made his comparisons to climate change disasters and say, without trying to dismiss the fatalities in other climate change disasters, he's saying this is a natural disaster coming from moscow, killing tens of thousands of people, taking children, abducting them. what will it be in the future? that's a genocide. not only is he trying to paint the picture in stark terms for folks, but he's trying to explain, it's not going to stop there. russia already is occupying georgia and moldova. they already invaded. syria is in ruins because of russia. russia swallowed -- i love he's used that term, swallowed belarus. a

. >> i want to get into the nsc comments last night. >> $6 billion held in these funds, the previousp these accounts or allowed the accounts to be set up so countries could purchase iranian oil. the money would then go into the accounts. iran has always been able under the regime set up by the previous administration to access the funds in the accounts and other places saw them spend down the funds in these accounts, funds -- accounts set up for purchases of oil, for example, from -- in india or brazil. and under the briefs administration were spent down with no restrictions at all. when this administration took office we put restrictions on these accounts to ensure that they could only be used for humanitarian purposes. however, a number of banks, despite the assurances we had given, did not want to a -- did not want to participate in transactions related to the accounts so it was necessary to, for the secretary to make these waivers to allow the transfer of money from these accounts through a bank account in europe, ultimately to qatar. >> why did it take so long for you guys to co

that is the fear of the nsc, the white house, that any of these u.s.r nato-provided weapons, nato-country provided weapons would reach russia proper and trigger a larger war, including triggering russia's threat to use nuclear weapons. so they could give the ukrainians reach and the key part was zelenskyy was just in d.c. where he could make that eyeball to eyeball promise to biden that he's not going to use them to hit moscow. >> that, of course, has been the concern is that i think the range is 190 miles for this system is that they would reach russian territory. simply the transfer of them, and this commitment from ukraine, does that suggest that there would be any expansion or any escalation from putin simply with the u.s. transferring these or nato countries transferring these to the u.s., to ukraine? >> we've seen putin step up his rhetoric at least when he hears promises of new batches or new types of technology. and we've seen putin step out his -- step up his outreach to european countries, but it's sort of -- there won't be much that he can d

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with fema and others talk about nsc stepping in and taking over effectively the coordination of disasters or emergency. that is what congress is charge you to do. at the white house is coming in and taken this over? can you share documents to understand this better since were the ones recovery is remains when the core functions fema does and how we deliver withdrawal long term recovery. mao is a great example of how we have set up a long-term recovery operation help drive the requirements. one of things we are working as a result of hawaii is bringing together the cabinet secretaries iras the equipment i have to continue to support committees like a maui with root long-term operations. making sure fema sustains their role of a being that agency to coordinate across all federal agencies. >> admit a straighter look, you've got a tough talk job, you do. i appreciate you doingr it evey time you step in its because there is a disaster that's on enviable position. i want to be clear congress is charge you with that responsibility. two we believe it's consistent with the congressional content i

there's always room to improve and one ofp the things that we are working as result of hawaii with the nscon is bringing together our cabinet secretaries to help ensure they have visibility of all of the things their programs and agencies are doing on the ground. that is a commitment that i had to continue to support communities like maui with his long-term recovery operations,au making sure that fema sustained the role of being that agency that has the ability to cordon it across agencies. >> you have a tough job. you do. i a appreciate your willingness to do it. every time you step in its because there's a a disaster. that's not an enviable position. but i but i want to be cleae congress has charge you with that responsibility and if there is some proposed change of their this committee deserves transparency to make sure that we believe it is consistent with the law and congressional intent to i want to ask her commitment to provide as transparency on this as well. it's at a commitment you're willing to provide? >> yes, sir. i know to be quick here. duplication of benefits drive me crazy

there are other the assistant secretary of state the secretary ofof state of the nsc who deal directly on those other issues. ten or trying to do? make sure you do not have to worry jon kerry's going to give away someoi rights on human rigs in order to get is trying to get projects i get that. i presume you're going to have conferences with your counterparts are having those discussions on the other issues president biden is said to you and those others which is more priority over the other question at my question would be o is hun rights the biggest issue is slave labor coming out? >> congressman this administrations capable of escaping its properties on the table and treating them simultaneously we do not have to wrap them up so one becomes hostage to the other.co >> you plan to hold tran accountable they do not follow that the activity you're going to suggest and reduce their emissions?et they are able to get ahead of our economy by producing many more admissions and having less regulatory action on their businesses that we are here in the united states. >> we don't want that to hap

here's what john kirby, nsc coordinator for strategic communications, had to say about this.anicky , they will find money, they will find a lot of money, but now they have their own, their own definition of time, they must show that they are in control of the situation before the elections, so they need to inject ukraine money, because if not, the future of the united states depends on it , they are right, because the election results also depend on whether ukraine will exist and what will happen there, we must continue military actions, because stopping military actions is will mean they have lost, they cannot afford to lose in an election year. therefore, it doesn’t matter what will happen to the american economy, it doesn’t matter what will happen at the front, the main thing is that the ukrainian front does not collapse, so that they are not accused of the fact that the ukrainian front collapsed and give money by any means and they will give money, they will pay for all this the united states, the american people, their state and the ukrainians, who will die more and more

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