i suppose some of the focus falls back on the nso group i suppose some of the focus falls back on the, with all assurances that they only provide to bona fide governments, etc. how trustworthy are they? well, you know, i spent a lot of time interviewing this company's ceo, shalev hulio, and he describes the firm as a new kind of arms dealer and says, essentially, look, we provide a legitimate but dangerous service. we do it more legitimately and with vetting from of the israeli government, than a lot of actors in this space — there are plenty of rogue hackers that will do this in a totally unrestrained way. to your point, he says, we only sell to law enforcement. but i think that the numerous cases they document in this story, including the largest cluster of hacks using this company's tool, pegasus, on record, in catalonia, the spanish autonomous region, does underscore to your point that those assurances only go so far. that those assurances only go so far, that even when supposedly legitimate governments are using this tool, it can be abused, and that there needs to be, as there is

>> so this company that i spent a lot of time reporting on specifically, nso group that makes pegasusrtup company is in israel. they make the argument that they're the lesser of evils because they sell only to law enforcement, only to government agencies as you point out that list actually includes the united states, the times reported awhile back the fbi purchased and tested this technology. the cia had helped get this technology. it was reported in this article used against the prime minister. you see how chaotic the results can be but yes, you know, this is claimed by some of the bigger players in this space to be only given to, you know, legitimate government affiliated law enforcement agencies. we see in the example in spain, joy, how that is no guarantee that not being used and the overall impression that i emerge with from this reporting is that this is everywhere. this is not some terrifying future in which every phone is a spy in your pocket. it is here now. it is a present that we're living through and, you know, the folks at nsf say we're an arms dealer. it's not our fault

the uae has not commented but we should say that nso group who behind that pegasus software have categorically. the invictus games — the international sporting event for injured servicemen and women, and veterans — is taking place in the hague. and speaking to the bbc there, prince harry has praised the courage of the ukrainian national team. anna holligan reports. these athletes represent not only their nations, but recovery and resilience. this year's invictus games have added poignancy, as they're taking place on a continent in conflict. speaking to the bbc, prince harry highlighted how much team ukraine has already achieved. i think what people need to remember, or perhaps don't even know yet, is a vast majority of the ukraine team were serving in some shape or form. so they removed their uniforms, put their team strips on, jumped on the coach, came over here, slept for a couple days, tried to decompress and then were straight into it. and then they've got to go back. so i think to have them here is extraordinary. the ukrainians received special permission to travel and will soon be changi

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