well, it's over four years since the nsp _ companies?r. years since the nsp commitment companies? well, it's over four- years since the nsp commitment from the government. we've tried to hold the government. we've tried to hold the companies to account, but i'm afraid it's very clear that this is not something that the companies will do for themselves. far too often in the conversations we've had with these big tech giants, it's very clear that child safety is not a core part of their business model, they're simply not prepared to do enough to identify the risks that children face on their platforms and to ensure they are reasonably mitigated. it's only if we see really tough regulation that has the teeth that's necessary to take on some of the largest companies in the world, that we're going to see this situation change. and we are talking about harm, abuse of children and young people that can be prevented. we shouldn't be fatalistic about this. this is harm that is taking place as a result of the poor design decisions of tech companie

been caused by the failure overtime of those platforms to deal with it, and that is in line with the nspuld be tackling the executive, _ this bill. so you would be tackling the executive, the _ this bill. so you would be tackling the executive, the people - this bill. so you would be tackling the executive, the people on - this bill. so you would be tackling the executive, the people on the| the executive, the people on the board, the owners of these platforms?— board, the owners of these platforms? board, the owners of these latforms? , . , . , platforms? yes, that is what is outlined in _ platforms? yes, that is what is outlined in the _ platforms? yes, that is what is outlined in the bill _ platforms? yes, that is what is outlined in the bill at _ platforms? yes, that is what is outlined in the bill at the - platforms? yes, that is what is - outlined in the bill at the moment, the executives themselves would be held criminally and legally responsible for not taking down criminal or harmful content. but there could be other ways of strengthening but further. i think the whole point her